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An exit strategy without an exit

Posted: Thursday, January 24, 2008 4:54 PM
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Nearly half a decade since the big bangs of "Shock and Awe," the United States and the Iraqi government are about to start writing a plan for U.S. forces to exit the war in Iraq, but not the country.

Senior U.S. and Iraqi officials will soon begin negotiating a strategic agreement to answer critical questions about the future role and commitment of U.S. forces in Iraq. 

The agreement, being tentatively called the U.S.-Iraq Friendship and Cooperation Agreement, could be the most important bilateral arrangement since the war, setting up U.S.-Iraqi relations for years, if not decades, to come.

VIDEO: U.S., Iraqi troops near agreement
 
American and Iraqi negotiators so far seem to have similar visions for the agreement. Both sides see a long-term U.S. military commitment to support, equip and train Iraqi forces. 

A new mission for U.S. troops
On Thursday Iraq’s foreign minister, Hoshar Zebari, one of Iraq’s four principal negotiators, told NBC News the agreement should be finished by July and calls for a new mission for U.S. troops.

"What kind of role does Iraq want the U.S. forces to play?" I asked.

"I think to continue the role of building, supporting and arming the Iraqi security forces, and also to provide support, let’s say, on request in the future because we want our forces to be self reliant to stand on their own," said Zebari. "We cannot continue to rely and depend on the U.S. support indefinitely.  I think we can, and we know how, to defend ourselves and how to stand up – provided we are given the means."

"So you would like U.S. forces to stay on bases to come out and provide support when they’re asked to do?"  I asked.

"I think that’s the idea. Instead of carrying out these daily patrols, exposure, and combat missions, you see, this would be changed. And this is a plus really both for Iraqis and for the American soldiers," he said.

Time of the essence
The timing is critical and somewhat controversial. Both U.S. and Iraqi negotiators want to finish the agreement while the Bush administration is still in office. It’s reasonable. They don’t want to start from square one with a new administration. 

But critics say the Bush administration is trying to lock the United States into an open-ended military commitment in Iraq before leaving office.

On Thursday, Iraq was putting down markers. Zebari said Iraq wants the agreement to include:

- A U.S. commitment of military support and protection

- Clarification of the legal status of U.S. troops and private security contractors, including Blackwater USA, both currently immune from Iraqi prosecution

- A counter-terrorism partnership

- Continued U.S. training and supplies of military hardware

A senior American negotiator told NBC News that Washington wants the agreement to be flexible and said it will not include details about specific troop levels or permanent U.S. bases in Iraq.

When I asked a senior Iraqi official if the agreement means there will be long-term American bases in Iraq, he said, "This is an agreement of enduring military support. The soldiers are going to have to stay someplace. They can’t stay in the air."

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Dear Richard, It is very interesting news about the new role of US troops in Iraq. Soon there will be an agreement coming up for vote in July concerning the troops staying on their bases and only coming off the bases when they are needed. Right now as you stated they are fighting al-Qaeda and militia groups on the ground. But according to the agreement up for vote in July before the Iraqi Parliament they will provide mostly support for rebuilding,securing and arming the forces. The Iraqi Foreign Minister is correct in saying the Iraqi forces need to be self reliant and stand on their own. Iraqi forces cannot depend upon the US troops indefinitely to help them secure their country. Outside of the private security contractors role I hope nothing happens again as in reference to what occurred last year in September. In my own mind I suppose I never thought the troops would leave before President Bush left office, but with this agreement I hope sooner or later this country can stand on its own and try to be a peaceful nation. The soldiers do have to stay someplace and maybe over this time the exit will come soon. We can only do so much to help these forces because they must learn to defend and secure their own country for the goal of peace. The struggle of the people of this region has to see a light at the end of the tunnel. I hope peace befalls them soon. Anyway, Please always stay extra safe and well Richard!! Always keep safe and well! Peace to you and to all!    
I wonder if this 'enduring' U.S. Military presense ahs anything to do with the alledged 80% control of Iraqi Oil by "World Oil Corporations". I would like to see the questions about HOW MANY Bases are to be erected and IF there are plans for a massive fortress like Embassy.  
There is a strategy:

Investigate the money trail blazed by Grover Norquist, Bush et al, multinationals, and defense contractors.

1. Uncover where the billions have disappeared to, or to whom has been receiving kick-backs. In the real world, we call this embezzlement - it MUST be rampant there.

2. The multinationals and defense contractor outfits that pulled the political puppets' strings for no-bid contracts, etc. - you COERCE these folks to REBUILD Iraq, since it was they - with the AEI "strategists" and the Bush White House cheerleaders; that brought war to common Iraqis and working class Americans.

You LET them; with their RECORD profits pick up the tab.

You let the multinationals that have hoarded money in off shore accounts (CitiBank, Banque Suisse, Deutsche Bank, etc. - the latter a preferred bank by the bin Laden family) pay the BILLIONS owed in CORPORATE TAXES to the USA -

Gee - I think $63 Billion could be utilized to help our VETERANS - I think it could be utilized to help educate more Americans; I think it could be used to help insured American who lack health insurance; I think it could be utilized to off-set the mortage-loan-sharks that have helped evict American families out into the street!

Read John Zdanowitz's (Florida International Univ.)work about profit laundering, tax evasion, etc. by these multinationals - read how the shell companies launder the profits they make to fund terror!

Then - WHEN the MULTINATIONALS & DEFENSE CONTRACTORS do pay to rebuild Iraq - they employ IRAQI people to do the work so they can support their families; helping them establish a better, more normal life with security and basic necessities -

If they were busy, being productive; having the necessities to help their families - they would NOT be as inclined engage in terror: their needs were being met. Read Mike Mazaar's article entitled " The Psychology of Terror" (Hoover Institute's Policy Review). Maazar is a professor at the Army War College.

Yep. It's about time these MULTINATIONALS PAY for what they reap. It is they that wallow in the dividends - Lynn Cheney is on the BOARD at GENERAL DYNAMICS - gee - cozy, ethical, no-conflict of interest relationship with her war mongering husband and their fellow colleagues at American Enterprise Institute.



What ever long term commitments the Bush Administration is trying to "Commit" us to, I hope the U.S. Congress and the new administration undoes and gets us out of there.

The President can not sign accord with other nations without Congressional approval anyway. Then again, we've seen this president try and usurp the U.S. constitution time and time again. I bet he wishes the U.S. were a Kingdom instead of a Democracy.
There will continue to be war and violence in Iraq until we're willing to confront the root cause of global jihadism, our wonderful "friends and allies," the Saudis:

http://www.asecondlookatthesaudis.com

It is no coincidence that the overwhelming majority of the hijackers on 9/11, and the vast majority of the fanatical suicide bombers wreaking havoc in Iraq, all seem to be coming from the exact same place.  Indeed, even now they are working steadfastly to undermine the gains we've recently made in Iraq:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/24/world/middleeast/24sunni.html?ref=middleeast

And you can bet they continue to destabilize Afghanistan and Pakistan, diligently spreading their Wahhabi crap.  To cite but one telling example:

http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2007/12/bhutto_remembered.html

Until we open our eyes and confront the real enemy, we will not make one inch of real progress in the War on Terror.
AS LONG AS THE AMERICAN MILITARY PRESENSE IS IN IRAQ, IT WON'T MATTER IF THE SOLDIERS STAY IN BASE CAMPS OR IN CAVES, THEY WILL STILL BE THERE AND SUBJECT TO ATTACKS AND PROTESTS BY THE IRAQI PUBLIC. THERE IS NO IDEA OF HOW MANY US TROOPS WILL BE NEEDED TO STAY AND TRAIN THE IRAQI'S AND OF COURSE, WHAT WILL THE US TROOPS DO WHEN THEY COME UNDER ATTACK? YES I KNOW THEY WILL FIGHT BACK BUT WHERE, IN THE FIELD, NEIGHBORHOODS, WHERE? AS LONG AS AMERICAN SOLDIERS HAVE TO COMPLETE TOURS OD DUTY IN IRAQ, THIS WAR WILL NOT BE OVER AND OUR SOLDIERS' PRESENCE WILL CONSTANTLY REMIND THE IRAQI PEOPLE OF OUR INTERVENTION AND ONLY SEEM LIKE A PUPPETEER PULLING STRINGS AND STILL CONTROLING THEIR COUNTRY.
This is all going to cost money.  How are we going to pay for this? It would be a lot less expensive if we just got out, period.

Ron Paul wants to get all of our troops off of foreign soil and put them to work protecting our borders.  I think that is a much better idea.
oh boy, when will we start taking care for ourselves before caring for others? we can't handle the world problems and  miseries because we don't have unlimited resources. we need to get the rest of the world to help us solve the world's problems. we can do only so much. why are we even in South Korea? they are a rich country and can protect themselves. they can fight and die for their freedom and democracy. South Korea need to draft more of their citizens to match North Korea's soldiers so our soldiers don't have to be their. sell them our advanced weapons like stealth bombers and North Korea would not dare to attack. same goes to Japan. we need to protect our borders from potential terrorists from crossing in. we are over $9 TRILLION debt. and we're borrowing more money from India, China, Japan, South Korea, etc. to finance the war in Iraq which is unnecessary.
That is why the Democratic canditates are demanding that Bush not negotiate a permanent committment to keep our troops in Iraq during the rest of his tenure.  

No matter, he is going to do it anyway.  That not the only matter that he will try to entangle us into before he leaves.  How about permanent tax cuts for the rich, Continued survalence on citizens, renewing the Patriot Act.

Bush, is going to use fear as a weapon to bludgen the Congress into going along with more funding for this stupid war and further eroding our Constitution rights.  That is why I believe an impeachment trial should begin.  That is the only way to corral this man.

Jim gilmore
Portland, OR
A great call, it's time to let Iraqis stand on their own 2 feet. We'll be there to help with counter terrorism which is a world wide issue and our estimation in terms of worls opinion will certainly improve.
Seems to be a plan to perpetuate the gravy train for the"Military Industrial Complex" at the cost of many lives & increasing national debt.
This was the point of all the lies ...to set up a permanent base in Iraq.  We've built a base larger than Vatican City and now we are on the verge of occupying it forever.  This has got to be stopped.
Permanent base equals permanent terrorist attacks.
is senator richard shelby the big pork spender if so please run the article again on your morning news friday morning . thanks by the way he is from alabama
953 lies, I wonder how many are in here?
Iraq will never be a sovereign country ever again. It will remain a U.S. colony for decades to come and Americans will continue to die there for oil. It's not about democracy but to steal the natural resources of another country. The wisest king that has ever lived said a long time ago: " The kings of the earth wage war for riches."
A report of this on NPR called it a "treaty" with the Bush Administration going out of its way to avoid using the word "treaty". No wonder. A "treaty" requires Senate approval while bilateral agreements generally do not. This is symptomatic of this administrations' go-it-alone-I-know-whats-good-for-you philosophy. They readily violate the Constitute behind our backs and say the Constitute doesn't apply when they do it in front of our faces.
I think giving the Iraqis sophisticated "equipment"...tanks, artillery, planes, and the like, would be giving them something to strike our own troops on the ground and would not be a good idea. To have our combat leaders at their beckon call doesn't sound real great either. The only way I would believe them to be honestly involved would be to insure that their "armies" are on the front lines against the terrorists and we could pull back to Kuwait or some other more secure location and maybe support them with air strikes and/or missiles when they provide proof that it is needed.  And...how do they pay us for rudimentary supplies such as rifles, etc. to arm their armies when they can't even keep the oil flowing on their own?  This is not going to be easily negotiated before the Bushies leave office...probably way into the new term of the next administration is more likely.  We didn't give them Saddam to be fooled by another bunch of cowardly and hateful "allies".
Thanks Bush, stay in Iraq, putting our economy into a recession, all that money going there because the Iraq Government cannot get anything done, always continued US support.
    I am very suspicious of the motivation and sensiibility of George Bush who has been a lame duck ever since he was not elected in 2000, and stole the next election four years later.
    Our only ralistic shoice is to get out as soon as possible and cut our losses.  The Iraq people have come to resent us and our activities, as well as our lack of respect and understanding of their religion and beliefs, regardless of how we may disagree with them.
Long term American bases?  Wherever the Americans have fought wars in foreign countries (except Vietnam where they lost) they stay.  Look, they are still in Cuba from the Spanish American War, which was another "wrong" war.  The sun never sets on the American flag.
The US force size should be: no more than in Korea, paid for by Iraq, and be accompanied by a regional treaty similar to NATO or SEATO.
How much more proof does congress need before they learn that they can't trust the Bush administration one iota!!! Don't need more informaiton, just stop whatever he's trying to do no matter what the State department says.  We know where the State department stands, right next to Bush no matter what the lie or the distortion.  Do we need more than 395 lies to prove that Bush and his oil men in the white house are the scum of America in there only for their only benefit?  
the empire is on it's last legs. it will end just like all the others.
it is a double edged sword on one hand you have soldiers not out side the wire , not wore out because they are on there 3rd patrol in 24 hours or one patrol that lasted as long,not watching there buddies getting tore up by IEDs. But for as fast as situations change in iraq and for as quick as an IED can be placed this is a bad idea soldiers who dont go out side the wire dont learn there surroundings -get lost, call in wrong grids if they have to call for fire or a medavac also watch your suicide rate go through the roof soldiers who are away from home with TOO much time on there hands is a bad thing you think of home and your minds not in the game and you get hurt get someone else hurt or killed .  SPC Aaron Novak infantryman 42nd ID , Operation Iraqi Freedom 3 FOB McHenery Hawijah iraq  
Bush and company misled the congress and ee went into Iraq. Sadam was the objective then. But the senario has changed and so has the strategic goal. How we got there is not and excuse to run out. The job that needs to be done is to crush the Islamic fundamentalist and radicals. I am still at a loss as to why 2 years ago Israel did not finish their end of the job in Lebanon.The Dems need to wake up to the realities of the world. Bush, I am no fan of him but admire the President for 'staying the course.' America needs to wake up to the threat that the House of Saud pose in the Wahabi version of Islam!
Get the job done Pres!
Never in our History has there been so many asinine and inneffective actions take with regard to a political situation. This war is approaching five years old and for those who think differently the United States cannot claim to "Liberators not invaders." "Liberators liberate and get out. The United States invaded and is stillt ther depriving the Iraquis of the right to make thir own way.
It's about time. After over 5 years of inept policy in prosecuting the invasion of someone's self-interest. However, do you really believe AMerican  troops will ever leave Iraq totally? Forget it.

American corporations (mainly big oil), have too much influence to allow it, and our political representatives are making too much money to allow it.
I think it is impossible to construct a happy end strategy in the irak case for their are to many unknown factors and known factors that are not fitting in the culture and experience of non islamic thinkers.take the dead pennalty reserved for the criminals that deserve it and compare the sacrifices by suiceside attackers.They punish themselves to realize teir purpose, relate this to the efforts and funds you spent to arrest crimminals and you see that your siystem of punishing is not applicable.Bushes "we will bring them to justice after 9 11 becomes a mere home grown idea not usefull at home nor abroad.
I don.t say its easy but start thinking of other means to combat the terrorists.Start small bussunes for the people not buy soldiers but by locals funded with war budget.

take som iraquis to the us let them drive your nice cars.Let them visit your schools attend your universeties.But don.t forget to attract psiachiatrist and philosifers to the us to constantly study the entire problem and help to bring abbout new strategies while you win your war.
I would suggest you to convince yuor people that whilst you are so proud of your democracy and right of expression you should consider some legal actions to as to keep the media from acting as if you are not at war.I mean discrediting your soldiers disclosing facts that help flame up hate around this war, are you at war, behave like a country in war.
Remember now pilot can ever jump out of a plane without a parachute.  
they want us to provide everything for them train them and allow them to prosecute our soldiers if they break the law?  does this seem wrong to anyone else?
Can the Bushies lock in US Troop presence in Iraq for decades without the approval of Congress?
his is certainly within reason; any person with an ounce of knowledge knew that after we dismembered the opposition forces, they needed time to rebuild in order to protect their own country.  Without upper leadership you have to train the ground forces, starting with basic infantry, privates, and NCO’s, this should be no surprise to anyone in congress or the senate.  Unfortunately too much has been said and maneuvering has been solely on the basis of political backbiting, maybe now the American people will start to think for themselves, and stop the pandering.  When we first declared our independence we were still fighting the British in 1812, Germany still has American and NATO bases, and Japan does not have any meaningful national protection force.  The world runs on OIL, Iraq is in the center of the richest oil reserves, it would be ludicrous not to have taken any action.
I would hope that this would at least save American lives ?  I remember when John Murtha suggested something similiar , " keep our forces over the hill." A lady named Jean Schmidt got up on the floor of Congress , and read a letter calling Murtha a "coward" , from another retired marine. That was three years ago? The United States economic "surge" to Iraq , has put us in a deeper debt.
If any other president committed US forces to occupy a country in perpetuity without Congress authorizing it, would we call that an impeachable offense? Talk about a 'do nothing Congress' or is it a "do nothing citizenry'
This tells us whats going to happen. We are not ever leaving Iqaq. If you did not know it about a year ago the largest airstrip in the world was built in Iraq. We have already built housing for our soilders and we will continue to supply Iraq with all the amunition they need. To date with the health care cost for our 28,930 wounded soldies who most where hurt by bombs in the ground are car bombs which means they have lost limbs, that cost is 650 billion. That amount is kept seperate from the war funds you hear about. To date we have spent 482 billion dollars on the war and the president wants another 129 by the end of the FY. That comes up to 611 billion dollars we will have spent on the war by the end of march. Then we have to figure out what to do with 4 million refugees, who are turning against us everyday to fight for the enemy because they are promised food. We have estimated the cost to rebuild iraq at 245 billion. Add all that up and we have spent 1 trillion 500 billion dollars on this war that the oil was supposed to pay for. Just like all the WMD we had to go to fight iraq for because they where such a danger, even though the weapon inspectors said they found nothing. This war has cost us more than any war in US history, the closest war next to this was NAM. We willl be in  Iraq from now till the cows come home. When will the oil profits start coming in, it's been going on 6 yrs. counting this yr. and we have not got a single penny from the oil. To me Bush will go down as the worst president in my life time and i thought clinton would take that spot when he sighned NAFTA and sent all of our manufacturing jobs overseas.    
It's about time, don't you think? As I understand it, we are building an American Embassy in Baghdad the size of Vatican City. There should be quite a lot of room for those soldiers & civilians remaining.

It sounds like a job for Blackwater. Let's train those Iraqi soldiers & policemen in style. Why not, the American tax payer is footing the bill, right? Or maybe we can take it out in Oil trade? Do we have those oil refineries up & working yet?

As I have read & understood it, we have a 1:1 ratio with US military to Civilian contracted labor. This way, when they do the body counts, they just count the soldiers & not the civilians.

God... please get us out of Iraq before we do something really ignorant & provoke Iran!

Are there any doubts that they Wont come to an agreement on the troops commitment by election time?

What message should the iraqi people get when they hear their govt is unable to negotiate any details about the occupation army leaving their soil?   This is simply an agreement to continue armed resistance with the majority of iraqis who want us to leave there and not dictate terms about who they can contract with to tap their national resources.
as long as USA stay in iraq alqaida will have a reason to fight them,& any other reason apart from oil, is lies America must look at its damage to East west relations that will take decades to repair propping up sycophantic governments is what got us in the mess we are in today so USA get out now
This was, of course, a long time in the planning.  And, of course, the troops will stay at the new permanent bases the govt has built.  It is, of course, a disaster waiting to happen but the US is out of troops and cannot continue the pace and some kind of drawdown had to happen.  Poor, little Bush obviously doesn't like it but his hands are tied.

It is "stay the course" in proxy.  That troops will be confined to these bases only underscores how unready Iraq is and how dangerous it still is.  US dignitaries will still have to fly in unannounced.  There is, of course, zero chance of this succeeding.

Meanwhile, we try to salvage what should have been a success in Afghanistan but is now looking suspiciously like a defeat that is now spreading cancerous into Pakistan where we now want to provide and training and support to fend off a flood of insurgency there also--and that happened right under our noses in a country that was supposed to be a "key ally."

But then what does George Bush care?  He'll be out of office and it will be someone else's headache.  He'll live out the rest of his life quietly planning his little library (which would have to be quite little) because Congress and the American people were too cowardly to impeach him and chuck him out of office and retire him in disgrace.

A great day for America.
Its finally coming together it seems.  With Iraq now moving onto the road of stability, America, and its NATO allies can address a looming larger problem...Afganistan!  Osama Ben Laden should be on everyone's sites now!
Hey?

We have this talk of exit strategy in Iraq.

But, where is our exit strategy from Germany, Japan, South Korea.  We are still occupying those countries after more than fifty years.

You anti-war folks waste a lot of breath and ink on your supposed solutions to war.


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