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China is luring the best and brightest home

Posted: Thursday, January 24, 2008 9:49 AM
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 The other day at a coffee shop in Beijing, I noticed a group of college students in line in front of me sharing stories of a fun night out. The students were all Westerners and, as one told me, they were here for a year of study in China.

The presence of Western students reminded me of the inverse: The large number of Chinese students on U.S. campuses, such as those at the University of California, Berkeley, many of whom I met when I lived in the Bay Area.

But there’s one big difference between these two groups of students: Since 1978, according to the Chinese government, more than 70 percent of all the Chinese who studied abroad – in the U.S. and elsewhere around the world – chose not to return home.

According to a report by the Chinese Academy of Social Services, between 1978 and 2006, about 1.06 million Chinese went to study overseas – but just 275,000 returned home during that period. Of those who stayed overseas, many proceeded to graduate, find work, and become citizens of their adopted countries.

The trend often had mutually beneficial results: for example in the U.S., employers had access to many of China’s top students, and the graduates had better, more lucrative job prospects without having to compete for work in China’s employment system, which some accused of being influenced too much by nepotism and corruption.

But things now are changing.  A reverse brain drain is underway. With China’s economy on fire – it’s growing at a double-digit rate each year – and the prospects of a better lifestyle available, many of China’s best and brightest are starting to return home.

Reverse brain drain 
And China is helping to lure them. China's labor department has created a plan targeting 200,000 students based overseas. Specifically, the government plans to offer preferential policies when it comes to income, welfare, housing, and even education for job holder's children.

Perhaps the biggest draw has nothing to do with new government initiatives: The prospect of economic opportunities here are even greater than those once imagined in the West. According to many economic forecasts, China is poised to overtake the United States and become the world’s biggest economy in a little more than 20 years. With little inherited wealth, this is a country of self-made millionaires, a fact not lost on Chinese living in the West.

If returning Chinese think they won’t find Western bling in this communist country, they should think again.  For those who can afford it, there are plenty of BMWs and Mercedes for sale here. One can live in a million dollar home, shop at Prada, and if they miss American fast food, go to a McDonalds. And because labor costs are so low, one can have two full-time servants working six days a week for a relative bargain – so the quality of life for someone returning can be very good.

But for the Chinese government, luring their best students back, who would otherwise be lost to other countries, is about more than saving face.

Officials now contend that "the lack of first class scientists and research pioneers is the main thing hindering China’s innovation capability." That declaration shows that Chinese officials now have the sobering belief that retaining the best students is crucial to the country’s economic and social security.

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Though this all must seem prety heady stuff to a young person, i.e., the notion of going there and having "servants," such a living situation should shock the sensibilities of people truly rooted in western values. A grain of conscience would cry out against such colonialist exploitation.
     It is also naive to think long-term that the completely ruthless "investment strategies" of the central gov't, forcing the overwhelming majority of its capital to investments abroad can continue w/o consequences, rather than being re-invested into infrastructure (as in, the actual construction of one) in mainland China. The fireworks have still yet to go off, and it won't be to welcome in a new year. Frankly, it might be a bad idea to be there and so easily labeled one of the privileged elite. Caveat emptor!
Sad reminder of what Africa (the richest continent, resources wise) is expected to accomplish as opposed to China (the richest country, population wise).
Tears in Heaven.
I find it almost laughable that people think China is this up and coming superpower when they have such a hugh population compared to other countries. There currency is pegged extremely low, they spend a great deal of money on defense and let the average chinese person suffer under communist rule all while letting the infrastructure fall to pieces. This my friends is no super power. I predict in the next 5-10 yrs that China will lose a lot of its luster. Eyes will be watching on the Olympic games and how the Chinese handle that. I have worked with many chinese people and they are hard working and smart. The one thing I have noticed though is that they are not team players. They will do whatever it takes to make them look good but could care less about the team. At least that is how it seems in the states.
This is very serious. Just 10 years ago people won't even think of going back to the previous country. I agree first class scientists are a critical element to a super-power. Every year, China can make and do almost anything without the U.S.  - this will continue as China retains top students and gaining ground over the world in almost every area.  The U.S. will no longer be a super-power? Does anyone care?  Japan became developed about 20 years ago and became a threat "major influece". Ok, but China is 10x bigger in every way. There will be a big shake in the world!  The U.S. has a lot of serious work again to have a chance of remaining a superpower - just making and retaining top (foreign and domestic) students is just a start.  
This is one of the most serious topics I can think of and very few people are even talking about it.
Just my 2 cents.
Chad, ND.. those chinese ppl that you worked with, did you ask them if they were from Hong Kong or mainland China? There is a difference, especially with respect to the attitude you speak off. I tend to find HK selfish and not team players, the ones from China are a bit more willing though its never good to generalize.
Also I do not think China will slow in 5-10 years.. they are already the financial superpower (what else matters ?), and slowly buying up all the worlds foreign assets. When there's an elephant in the room, its tough to avoid it.
Amen, Chad! My work experience confirms your comments to the letter. We had a guy turn on his own kind (got him fired) when it was promotion time.
i have just retured from 10 days in China , on vacation.    thay have a long way to go!, this will be evident after the olympics.  Joel
In the long run, this is beneficial to us for two reasons.  First, the more prosperous and happier they are, the less likely there will be a mutually disastrous East/West confrontation.  Second, if we're less able to depend on motivated overseas brainpower, the more effort we'll devote to improving our own educational system.
china's overseas graduates will undoubtedly return with substantial western modernizations, techniques of trade and economics, and hopefully the methods of both invention, innovation and hypothesis testing.  and a giant leap ahead in arts, science, technology, agriculture, business can be achieved by infusing china's cities and provinces with international talent; international graduates from international universities and institutions.
It is very disappointing that almost all of these foreigners get a full ride to universities here because of their lower currency rate and take scholarhips away from Americans. Then they go back to their countries and make millions.  It is a common fact that many families who make $65k a year even if their child is a well rounded validictorian they will only get a 4k scholarhip to a school that is 50k a year while almost all of the foreigners get full rides. We have to start helping our own people first.
The reality is that the United States has the worst health care system and public education of any industrial power.  Years of deficit spending have bankrupted the economy and made the currency virtually worthless, a fact that is gaining widespread acceptance among the foreign investors who have propped us up for years.  Our days as a superpower are rapidly coming to a close.  China, Europe, India, and Russia will all surpass us during the next generation. The question is how long will it take for the U.S. to get its act together again?
Most people don't realize this, but the United States peak has already been reached, all that China is doing is stepping in and taking over what the United States has failed to hold onto. The Chinese may seem to be out for only themselves but is that any different then Americans. Most people in the United States are here to earn lots of money, power and prestige. Is it not China's turn to be back on top of the world? Have you ever looked into China's cycle of reigning power? Whether or not China becomes the next super power the United States is already losing that title..
Have you considered that many of the graduate students/post docs from China in US universities have been sent to study with funding from the Chinese governement and maybe required to return?
Also, many of them could be spying for the government taking back or even constantly sending back research data from their labs in the universities in the US. Most of the research in the US is funded by taxpayer money - NIH, USDA, NAS, etc.
We are allowing the latest scientific work be siphoned off before it is published or the intellectual property is patented.
Perhaps all of the US university slots we are giving to Chinese college students should be first offered to the top of the US high school graduating class on the basis of scholastic achievment only. I think that is where the best and the brightest come from.  Perhaps with that approach we can stay competetive without worrying about our best a brightest going home to their native countries.
Your right, the USA isn't a Superpower anymore, we're a Hyperpower: hyper-power (HYE.pur.pow.ur) n. A nation that has vastly greater economic, political, or military power than any other nation

This isn’t one nation on earth that can do what we can. We're the only nation on earth that can fight a large scale technology war.

Russia can't. Their military has been in such a state of decay for so long that they are now just starting to purchase new weapons after almost 10 years of doing nothing. Most of their gear is old, and obsolete.

China can't. Yes, they have a large military, but they are poorly trained, and use out dated equipment. They are upgrading, but even their upgraded tanks and planes are already behind the US’s frontline tanks, and planes. Much as been made of their military buildup, but it's still far smaller the USA, and they lack the several key abilities to wage a large scale war, one on the most important being a blue water navy and airlift.

No one else even comes close to the USA in airpower, naval force projection, or combat technology. We have the best trained troops, and most advanced equipment, and the means to use them, and more important, get them to where we need them in a fight. When the rest of the world is just now thinking about stealth, we’re fielding 4th and 5th generation platforms based on that technology.

Will China become a Super-power? Yes, if it isn't already. A title means nothing if you don't have the economic and military means to back it up.
Let a thousand flower bloom!  Yes Slavery does make money for a few, but in the end it is still China, no matter how much you pretty up that .0002% of the population with BMW, Rolexes, and Million Dollar Homes. Fact is that most Chinese live a horrible existence in state imposed poverty, slavery and barbarism, a face that the Western press and you forget to report about.  As a person, there are no persons, no human rights no justice, no freedom just the endless realization that you are expendable, of no value, a meaningless cog in a Communist State.   You cannot trust your food, your water, your doctor, your church; the police not even your children, family or friends.  Your home can be taken from you at any moment, you or your child or anyone of your relatives’ could disappear at a blink of an eye, taken to slave factories in the south, or brick factories in the north western coastal cities, or sold as sex salves to KTV in the south eastern provinces. Or perhaps you may have your organs harvested while you are at the hospital compiling with sterilization order issued to you by the State!    Or then again maybe you are feeling sick and raise enough money from your village so that you can go to the city hospital, where it is discovered that you have HIV and full blown AIDs, due to having to selling you blood for food, to Communist gangsters that choose not to use clean needles as it affecting their profits.     No you stay at the hospital at there request your family goes back home.  When they come back after the week end to see you, you are no longer there, gone.   Never came in, he was never here, everybody including the staff that you talked to while you where there has the same story.  Some months later you learn that it was that Communist Hospital that was running the money for blood program that you husband had been using to raise money to feed you and you child.   Just remember that every Chinese product you buy a child in Africa dies.  For every Chinese product you buy some one loses their job in South and Central America.  Just remember that for every Chinese product you buy, some Tibetan is murdered.    And most important for every Chinese student attending a foreign University one of your own children is denied entry.  Want to help buy Mexican product instead, demand that Walmart stop purchasing from China and buy from South and Central America instead or India.   Stop buy Chinese Made products!
I am originally from Seattle.  I have lived in China for the last 4 years.  It is on fire over here.  New construction everywhere.  High speed trains going in.  Highways being built.  The are investing in their country.  
The problem is that they have moved to fast towards capitalism. They have grown their economy with no sense for the environment.  I have seen so many rivers and lakes that are filled with trash and totally devoid of life.  So many that are a gray/green color that is far from natural.
Everyone is too concerned about making money.  They will do anything to make a little more money and will lie, cheat and steal if it will make them a little more money.  China is way more capitalistic than the US.  Everyone here has some kind of company.  There are so many stores and shops.  It seems like every building has a store located on the ground floor.
While the larger cities on the eastern and southern seaboard are quite nice and modern, the rest of the country is being left behind.  It is like China is two countries.  One for the prosperous and one for the poor village people.  This is an area where I believe they will have problems in the future if they do not find a way to bring the prosperity to the rest of the country.
It is a very competitive environment for a new university graduate to find a job.  Nepotism is very much a problem here.  If you do not have connections, it can be quite hard for a person to find a job.
I don't think so many people will be coming back.  Unless they get a job with a multi national corporation or start their own company, the salaries are pretty low.  The best jobs here are in exporting.  People become agents between US companies and the Chinese factories, maybe taking a 5-10 commision on everything that the company sells to the customer.  They can earn big money doing this.  But they always need to find new customers because it is usually not very long before the factory will quit paying the commisions because it is cheaper to not pay the commisions and they will find any way to make more money.  
Clintons and Bushes gave our factories away to China. Remember the whole "exporting prosperity" line that we got back then. Now they are rich and getting richer and we are trying to fend off a recession and mounting debt. Maybe if we ask them to please give us back our factories so we can pay our bills they will listen. If only they had idiots running their country like we do.
I agree with Eric, this is a serious problem for the US.  Remember that China is a communist country and is not our friend.  China presently  has forced abortions, imprisons and tortures dissidents and people practicing religions.  Our only hope is that this returnees with impact Chinese culture with western ideas of democracy and questioning authority.
Mr Chad D of ND does really not seem to know ehat he is talking about. Having been in China I can attest that he is mis informed. Perhaps he believes what he reads and sees on Tv. Suffer under Communist rule. You are really out of date. China is one of the safest countries that I have ever had the pleasure of visiting. Chinese are very proud people and exceptionally good workers They have a strong committment to family so you won't see retirement homes because family takes care of family. Children are taught to respect their elders and are taught the common values that life is precious. They are very much team players . Chinas' economy at the present is one of the driving forces behind the world economy. The U.S Grew at 4.9% last year while the Chinese economy grew at almost 14%. Infrastructur you say; they are constantly working on it. Cell phone technology; thay are three generations ahead of us because they do not have the FCC to contend with. Magnetic rail systems. I think that before someone offers an opinion they shoul be there and not rely on what they read or hear.
1,321,851,888 people and counting as of 2007.  

As an American who lives in a country with "only" about 300 million people I would say to the Chinese, please don't become another bigger America. Americans are falling slowly out of the loop domestically and globally.  There is no true success other than fake success now. We are only strong militarily now. Don't waste your cash on becoming the next jerk bully the rest of the world resents. Don't waste your cash on air craft carriers. Embrace green energy technology in a way that forces the world, through sheer inspiration, to do things the way you discovered. Embrace Chinese architecture, old Chinese appreciation of nature, family life. Say no to Disneyland, endless skyscrapers, SUVs, mansions, depressing suburbia, rap music, heavy metal music, American Idol, McDonald's, Starbucks, and avoid "chic" Euro crap (Gucci, Nokia, Mercedes, BMW) that only creates a sense of "I'm better than you because I can buy more things". Invent your own stuff and show the world how to transition through this consumerism melt down.  Be a moral compass for the world as our America no longer is since it has been hijacked by robber barons.  Save the environment instead of shredding it like America does. Value open space in a way Americans can't even comprehend any more. Don't show us another country filled with insane consumer mentality. Do something different that truly impresses the world not another theme park idea.  Don't create a culture where 400 million people have cars, iPods, nice clothes, but 1 billion are poor.  Do something different... and share.  Do something inspirational not predictable. Be Chinese. Don't be Europeans or Americans. Be unique.  Don't focus on the biggest military some day. Focus on the biggest act of kindness the world has ever known. Don't take from Africa its natural resources while neglecting the rights of the people. Don't become rich Chinese who hunt rare animals for fun as Euro/Arab/American wealthy do. Don't brag that you will "blow everyone away economically and militarily some day". Brag that you will inspire the world with new ways to deal with environment, suburban sprawl, wealth obsession, consumer addiction, peace. Blow our minds with things we never thought of. Don't just do Chinese versions of Euro-American things.  Don't become the best business people in the world without being the best humanitarians. Don't look to the worst things in our cultures as things you should feel inferior or self-conscious about.  Don't make the same mistakes we have made...because you then will have 1 billion angry poor and an elderly population that is neglected and outcast from society. No good can become of "best in the world".  My America is proof that when you embrace "number 1" arrogance you only fall into disgrace. China, you should fall into grace.
Kind of interesting that China rewards the successful to draw them home.  Our politicians on the other hand work the politics of envy and talk about how much to tax the successful and which industries to tax more.  It's pretty obvious which culture will be wealthier and more successful in 20 years.  My question is if we believe this behavior will criple us why do we continue or reward the politicians that are myopic enough to punish business and success?
Only 70% of the Chinese students stayed in the west? I'd say the figure is more like 90%. It's somewhat pathetic that people are making a big deal just because slightly more Chinese talents are returning to China. What the author failed to highlight is the fact that virtuallly none of those western students he saw in China will end up staying. I don't know when, or if ever, there will be a day that people from the rest of the world would want to move to China like they do in the US (not that China needs more people). As for the seemingly surprise over the availability of BMW's and Mercedes in China, and the platitudinal comments of communism, they just show how little still the world knows about China.
Chad at ND. Your comments about China spending too much on defense while letting some of its citizens suffer financially reminded me of how the US spends more than double the amount of money on defense than all countries around the world combined. You do know that there are a few million people in this country are living below the poverty line. RIGHT??? You do know there are millions of people in this country living without health insurance.right??? Does this mean the US is doomed to fail? The answer is NO. Because the US has been doing for the last 50 years and our country is getting stronger in every respect. The chinese government is simply following the example set by the US.
Most immigrants come here with a strong work ethic, as a means to individual accomplishment and instill that into their kids.  By the third or fourth generation they become just as lazy as the rest of us Americans.

Japan used to have a stable "job for life" situation as their economy was building, profits and paychecks soared but they priced themselves out of many markets, now they have unemployment, poverty and huge class dictinction.

Most capitalist countries have been forced to add some level of socialism, even the USA has an amazing degree of socialism and most citizens are in some form of denial about that.   Some socialism seems like a pressure release valve, preventing the evils of pure capitalism from causing it's complete downfall.  People working in the socialistic parts of US and state government have become a powerful LOBBY in the USA, using
arguments about starving children, etc. to justify a massive (and burdensome on taxpayers) bureaucracy.

China before capitalism did not value individual accomplishment, but had class distinction for the Communist party elite, which of course was contradictory to the socialist/communist ideals.  

Apparently they cannot deny the productive side of capitalism, individuality, etc which contradicts their Communist ideology, but it's not far-fetched to believe that the elites in China intend to HARNESS capitalism but maintain their iron grip on everything for quite some time.

Isn't capitalism in China a concession they make to appease people, bring prosperity and don't the elites there intend to HARNESS the productivity of capitalism?

Will capitalism be infectious enough in China to seriously challenge the elite's heavy handed attempts to harness it?
This article is quite interesting.  I am
happy that China is opening its country to
foreign investments and helping their citizens
to prosper in the process.  I would like to
know from these columns how China treats foreign workers from other Asian and western countries if they choose to work in China in this fast changing  
world scenario.
Anyone commenting on how China has no infrastructure should go visit the country sometime.  In any of the major cities, it's modern and clean (except for pollution).  You feel like you're in any Western city around the world.

I just visited India, and I was surprised at how underdeveloped the country was in comparison, considering the number of tech jobs going there.
China did it with economic war.  They have been waging and economic war with the US for so long, and now they are benefiting the outcome of it.  They will take what ever it takes to succeed, even at the expense of other people.  God know what will happen it they will become supper power.  Hope not!
i read the article and i wish to comment as follows:if china is so great why does it take them 20years to overcome the USA especially when they have four times the population.
firstly the driving ecomocic force in china are the bid multi national american companies; if they would close down and move to another country nobody would even talk about china as an economy.
secondly asian countries do not conduct fair trade, they do not have an open market i.e cina has restrictions in many segments of the economy such as finance, banks drugs etc. japan and korea do not allow foreign car factories in their contries however the west has no restrictions. it is easy to become number 1 TOYOTA when you screw your competitor in such a way.
thirdly asian countries are being educated on a collective school model the usa is based on individualism which creates economic geniuses such as bill gates, steve jobs etx i.e.; IBM alone registered more patents than whole china did in 2006.
the next president in the USA must change the policies i.e. imports must equal exports per capita with any country they trade with, the USA must stop protecting other countries with its military might, everybody to be on their own, the USA must go after counterfit abusers seriously and violently, that would mean 50% of china 's income would diapear  
Half the people throwing the term communist around don't even know what it means. It's a form of government, not a policy that promotes human rights violations, torture, foreign invasion, oppression of civil liberties, etc. The U.S. makes the same policy errors under a so-called "superior" form of government, which isn't even a true democracy. We are a republic. Read up on what a real democracy is, people.

Meanwhile, economically, we are heading towards socialism while China becomes more capitalist. All those complaints about selfishness? Sounds very socialist/communist to me. Selfishness is what capitalism is all about, people: Maximizing your expected return and working out of self-interest. If you perceive a co-worker to be self-serving, you are either naive, racist (because you don't perceive those of your same race doing the same thing), or the person in question just sucks at being self-serving while maintaining a facade of being a "team player". The multi-billion dollar corporations of America are what makes it great. What do you think our economy runs on?

Government run healthcare? Government mandated district lines for schools? Welfare? We're more socialist/communist than China is on a lot of issues.
James, your comments about OUR military advantages versus China's and Russia's is correct and very perceptive. However, that's not the real problem for the United States. The REAL problem is that we're rapidly becoming an empty hollow shell that's bristling with advanced weaponry. At the rate we're going,  in another generation, how much wealth will we have left to protect?? And how many financial resources will we have left to pay for this state of the art military??
Dear Mr Mullen,
I amnot sure my question has anything to do with the article about Chinese students returning to China. I have always been facinated with Eastern culture from my days in the Marine Corps,and serving in Asia.
I am especially interested in China. My question is this. Do many westerners live in China,and if so are many of them Americans? I would also like to know if China would be a good option for a place to retire,if one had a limited income of approximately two thousand dollars a month?
AS LONG AS CHINA CONTINUES TO THROW GIRL BABIES AWAY AND SHOWER ALL THEIR RESOURCES TO THE BOY'S, THEY WILL NEVER BE ANY SUPERPOWER.  SQUANDERING THEIR MOST PRECIOUS RESOURCES, THEIR PEOPLE, ALL PEOPLE, NOT JUST MALES, WILL ULTIMATELY BE THEIR DOWNFALL AS WESTERN CULTURES CONTINUE TO LEAK THROUGH TO THE YOUNG PEOPLE IN CHINA.  FURTHERMORE, MAYBE IT'S NOT JUST THE MONEY THEY NEED TO LURE THEIR PEOPLE BACK WITH, BUT RATHER FREEDOM....SOMETHING CHINA DOESN'T HAVE.  WHY WOULDN'T STUDENTS FROM CHINA WANT TO STAY IN AMERICA?  IT'S NOT ALL ABOUT MONEY PEOPLE, IT'S ABOUT ALL THE OTHER ASPECTS OF LIFE, FREEDOM, LOVE, CREATIVITY, SPIRITUALITY AND SO ON.  WE ARE SO SHALLOW TO CARE ONLY ABOUT MONEY ALL THE TIME.  GO AHEAD CHINA, LURE THEM BACK WITH MONEY.....
US universities are training the Chinese students in technical/life sciences; some go back, apply these new skills with no regard for international law.
We in the US, then buy the cheap stuff produced by chinese workers on slave wages.
Indeed, we are headed for an economic disaster.
Janet, maybe you do not realise the foreign students pay top dollar to study in the US. They take nothing away from American students and they also pay much, much more . I know because Both my children studied in the US. Oh! they returned home after college.
To Sai from Columbia,
Foreign workers are usually white collar.  The problem is other Chinese workers who have come from rural areas to earn money in the big cities.  Many of them are optimistic and happy because of their improved conditions, but there are some real horror stories: all the worst abuses of migrant workers in the US have occurred in China as well, and there hasn't been enough government protections.

As for those who took Chad of ND to task, good for you. Too many people continue to think of China as a backward country.
Would we find the kind of critical comments we find here in China's media and internet.  No one will bite you for it here.
Would we find the kind of critical comments we find here in China's media and internet.  No one will bite you for it here.
That's what is called 'SMART'.
To MIS, VF, SLU...Your kids may be the exception!

ALL International Students, from INDIA and CHINA, come to the USA, learn and get higher Degrees on the EXPENSE of the AMERICAN Students Money, our States Funds and taxes, then they go back and become a BIG SHOT there!  in the USA, they act so poor, and so friendly!  when they go back to their own nation, the True color comes out!  I wish our Higher Education Collegs starts investing the Money with the American People, so we can build enough sources for the future of the USA!

It's Red China. So they loosen up on manufacturing and allow small freedoms. They are already cracking down on internet intersts, and never for get who sold them the software to do so. Tianamen Square was not so long ago. They still hold swords towards Taiwan. The Red Army IS the government. Your job is next. When do we learn?
Keith,
Lighten up. Have a few Tsing Tao's.
we cant be top dog forever.. but i think we can,and should delay the inevitable.move more of our imports to other devoping countries..but what do i know?
Please read the words of Aliha above,some people see the stars and still not see the light,Aliha truely sees the light concerning China. Greg hanson sees  the light concerning the USA and its corrupt socialist state and fed bureaucracy.The light that will be seen very soon will be from the thermonuclear ICBMs from Russia after Israel responds to Iran tit for tat. the enemies of the US are prepared for nuclear response from US.Very few in US other than your corrupt politicos for life and the ruling elite.You can survive if you prepare now,time is short and the clock is ticking.  
would you go back if all you would get is money and prestige, but be locked up in an iron house where all information is filtered and all entertainment is propoganda? I won't.
I can't believe the crap I'm reading here.  God created all of us.  Do you think he has a preference for the US or China or anywhere else.  Why can't we have respect for other countries, civilizations, governments...  I'm tired of all this bickering, grow up.
Janet, you should have schooled your children in China.  China has fine universities and can train thier own.
Othmar, you are correct, Bill Gates is an economic force.  He is also a thief.  Just ask Apple.
I can hardly afford a szecretary much less a maid servant, sans benefits. The USA is going to the dogs and one day hopefully soon people will wake up and smell the Chow Mein....this is not the "Greatest Country on Earth".....we're going down like a balloon running out of hot air...and we're borrowing 150 Billion from China to "stimulate" ourselves....hey can I have mine intererst free?
I like reading this stuff. The military parts are important because we have too many fat young people in the U.S. that think that freedom is free. If you think our freedom will continue to be free your a fool. We need to be more flexable, and realize that there are other countries that can match or surpass us in military ways or other ways. You know how our jobs went to Mexico because they said we did'nt want them? Well there are always other people and countries willing to do it for less. Also corporate big boys ready to sell out your secure job. Have an open mind when it comes to other types of people and countries. Remember that we took this country by force and if you are a true red white and blue american, you are of a mixed race. Try to love thy neighbor. Also alot of those chinese babes are hot!!


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