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Pledging allegiance to the Queen

Posted: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 9:49 AM
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I became a British citizen last week. During the official ceremony in the town hall of Camden Council, one of London’s 32 councils, sat several dozen people, the sorts I see every day in my adopted home.

Some women were dressed in headscarves and long skirts, others tight jeans and leather jackets.  One man wore an expensive-looking pinstripe suit, while another trudged in with a knitted cap and a long t-shirt. Nobody really stood out, except maybe the young woman with electric blue dreadlocks and thigh-high moon boots.

The CD player balancing precariously on a chair in the corner lent the event an unfinished feeling, a surprise in a country that practically invented pageantry.

Nevertheless, after we listened to a welcome speech, pledged our loyalty and stood for ‘God Save the Queen,’ the woman to my right held up her new nationality certificate.

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Brinley Bruton takes her official photograph with the Mayor of Camden after becoming a British citizen.

"I’m going to hold onto this and I’m not going to let go," she said, smiling broadly.

Most of us ‘queued’ (that’s the term for lined-up here) for an official photograph alongside a portrait of the queen and the real life Mayor of Camden, who wore a lace collar and a fur-trimmed red cloak.

Outside the hall after the event, another woman hugged an older companion, her long pink veil trembling, whether from laughter or tears I couldn’t tell. 

Effort to assimilate
Versions of this event, which the government initiated in 2004 and describes as "rather like a wedding," occur throughout the country. The initiative is part of a struggle to integrate Britain’s growing population of immigrants – about 160,000 were naturalized in 2006, representing a fourfold increase over ten years. 

Britain is trying to assimilate a population that is growing more and more diverse. Like the United States, people are literally dying to get into this country, and whether the small island’s economy and society can support the influx is constantly debated.  Just to give you an idea, more than 100 languages are spoken in Camden’s schools alone. 

So at first I didn’t question the need to go through a slightly forced ceremony – having been born an American, the idea that a country would formally welcome and guide its newest citizens made sense.  It should be as simple as embracing certain traditions, abiding by the laws and declaring yourself British, right?

Not necessarily.

Becoming ‘British’?
Many come here to escape poverty and oppression. Others come because they have hit professional glass ceilings at home.  Some surely come here for love. But what I’ve learned is that actually becoming ‘British’ may not factor that high on many people’s lists. 

Take my reasons (I’m keeping my American passport), which are a combination of practicality and emotion.  I have come to love the country that I moved to extremely reluctantly six years ago because of what I perceive to be its citizens’ almost kneejerk tendency to question authority, tolerate eccentricity, and remain loyal to friends.

At the same time, I recognize the practicality of having a passport that allows me to work throughout much of Europe, and return here after long absences. I have also noted Britain’s excellent consular services while working in difficult countries.

‘Becoming British,’ whatever that is, isn’t among the reasons I’ve done this.  

And I now know that many long-standing citizens aren’t too sure that I or any of the newcomers will ever actually be British. In fact, I’ve walked into a storm over what it means to be British, and whether these ceremonies, which many believe are modeled on similar ones in the United States, are in fact downright un-patriotic.

‘Not a flag-waving nation’
"One point of being British is that you don’t really talk about it," said a good, and very British friend.

That’s putting it politely. 

"If I were to go to one of these events I would probably kill myself laughing," says Alan Sked, another Briton and an expert in international history at the London School of Economics.

The ceremonies, and citizenship tests that precede them, he says, are part of a "propaganda drive by the government that has made possible the breakup of Great Britain."

They are an attempt to paper over the country’s ongoing identity crisis, he says.  This crisis was brought on by the current Labour government, which has ceded control to both the European Union, and helped set up regional parliaments and assemblies in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, Sked adds.

So the citizenship ceremony "is not a traditionally British thing, it is an invention, artificial – this is just not a flag-waving nation. From a traditional point of view, these people would be simply assimilated," Sked says.

One new citizen I met at my ceremony agreed with Sked’s last comment at least.

"Identity does not develop overnight," says an Egyptian academic who has been in the country for over a decade.  "A 20-minute ceremony doesn’t change a single reasonable person’s life."

The reasons this man gives for becoming British are practical – mainly, he is tired of the grilling he withstands every time he travels.  He says that visas are very hard to get with an Egyptian passport, and when he returns home he is treated like "a criminal."  This has gotten much worse since the September 11, 2001, attacks on the United States.

Who he is, and how he identifies himself, will not change at all, he says, adding: "The question that needs to be answered is, what does it mean to be British?"         

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Oh for goodness sake Margaret of Southfield MI! Stop reading the supermarket tabloids! According to the International Road Federation, the UK kas 451 cars per 1000 people, the US is only a little way ahead at 465 per 1000 people. Hardly a vast difference despite the incredibly stupid opinion you seem to have that the rest of the world is living in mud huts. And the snide 'have you looked at their teeth lately?' comment hardly carries any particular weight alongside the proven statistic that there are more obese Americans than any other nationality. We're not exactly full of slim, healthy, supermodels ourselves are we? Now kindly clean up your own house before sticking your uninformed nose in other peoples houses. And please, in future, make your own opinions rather than just taking them from the 'Weekly World News' or whatever you graze through while you wait for your HoHo's and Twinkies to be rung up.  
To Eric.

You misspelled "honored".
Margaret southfield..Most people don't own cars?
The avarage 4 person family with the average wage own 3 cars per family. i agree you have better dental care but our nhs system if fair even to the poorest in this country...including the homeless
If what Sandi said is true that the U.S allows dual citizenship and you don't have to renounce your citizenship from one country to become one somewhere else then I can sure see how the walls of definition beween countries are falling and we are being guided into a ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT. Especially when you hear people like John claim we're  all "WORLD CITIZENS".
YEP, it's the Tower Of Babel again, only this one is the FINAL Tower. For those who don't read the Christian Bible Genesis 11 is the story of the Tower of Babel. Babel refers to God confusing the peoples languages and scattering them after they all came together to make their own 'heaven' and themeselves their own 'gods'Claiming they didn't need or want the One Almighty God. Gods Word is THE TRUTH. Jesus Is Lord. Please fall on your knees and acknowlege that before it's too late!! We are in the last days.
Being British is a matter primarily of blood, heart, intellect, language.  To divorce ethnicity from nationality is to destroy the Civilisation being diluted -- and the emergent police state is the result when identity becomes the mere accident of citizenship.
Congratulations Ms. Bruton, quite honestly I am disgusted at some of venom being spewed on this board by my fellow Americans.  Grow up already, it is attitudes like that that make the rest of the world hate us.  It's not like she joined the Taliban, it's Great Britain.  What a close minded country I live in.  You people need to get out and travel more.
We Americans are easily revolted by the idea of abandoning citizenship or otherwise "switching" to one of another country, but in a shrinking world these feelings are sure to become moot.

We are steadily moving from being citizens of our respective countries to citizens of the World.  People who carry passports of multiple countries further function as an adhesive of romantic/economic/political good will between such countries and are conducive to continued piece and the mutual exchange of culture.
My goodness!  What a mixed bag of emotional reactions to someone obtaining British citizenship.  I don't think it necessarily follows that you should be prepared to go to war for that country.  And I don't see any harm in having two or three passports, it really does facilitate ease of travel.  As a Brit living in Australia for the past 27 years, I have only an Australian passport, but can get a British one if I choose.  I still refer to myself as a Pom, but love my adopted country.  I will always be English by birth, but Australian by choice - who wouldn't want to live in wide open spaces where the sun shines almost every day of the year?  (And I still support the English cricket, rugby and soccer teams.  Funny, isn't it?)
No matter where in the world that may be, may we all find ourselves in a safe, happy home that fits us and has boats family (of blood or spirit). If her home is in London, then be glad for her good fortune.
Everything that we embrace as citizens of one country or another, goes by the wayside under globalization. We don't care so much about citizenship when something is cheaper abroad. And we certainly don't care about citizenship when it is easier to outsource it. I've yet to meet many Americans who are willing to risk both life, and lifestyle, for their country. The argument isn't a matter of the heart any longer. Just one of the pocketbook.
You are not allowed to keep your American passport because you're no longer American. That is fraud.  Duel-citizenship is not permitted in the US after someone reaches a certain age and by your oath to the Queen and acceptance of new citizenship, you forfeit your American citizenship.  You can visit America for up to 90 days, but beyond that, even if you still have family here, you must apply for a visa.  And if you want to work in the US, you must apply for a work visa.  
I was unaware Britain had citizens; I thought it had subjects, or commoners.
Delmar Fairfield of WI seems to be very ill informed.
He says:-
My ancestors came to Connecticut, America from England in the 1600s to get away from the King and have a place to make their own.
Delmar that was 400 years ago man.  get real; what do you think happened in the USA over the following 300 years when your ancestors slaughtered the locals.
He says:-
I don't think I would want to go back.  I suspect you are not a well traveled man Delmar
He says:-
They have universal health care that doesn't work very well, What nonsense Delmar; my mother has been in  hospital in Scotland for 7 months now getting a level of care that just could not be better; my sister -in-law has just had a cancer operation and had superb treatment -all at no cost to them..... again Delmar you don't know what you are talking about. You have been listening too often to the profiteering companies who sell health care in this country
He says:-
(they) can not own Firearms to protect themselves, AND Delmar, in general terms they don't need them. Very few people own guns in the UK, or have ever been involved with guns and usually they don't want to.
He says:- What can they do?  Oh yeah, get mugged or pick pocketed by roving gangs.  Then there is Scotland which has one of the highest crime rates in the world.
Where do you get that statistic Delmar?  I will happily walk with you through central Glasgow on a Friday night.  I will not be with you should you opt to do the same in Detroit, Cincinnati or Los Angeles.

Delmar.  Comment on stuff like this when you learn a few facts and travel a bit
David - (a legally resident Brit in California.)
When I first came to live in the USA, went to functions etc and witnessed The Pledge of Allegiance I did think it was a very noble, if somewhat bemusing thing to do.  It brought people together in a common bond.
Then I began to realize why we have no similar thing in the UK.  We were all brought up to know inherently that The King, and subsequently The Queen, represented our total national identity without it being regularly repeated and chanted.  It just is. And has been for a thousand years and more.   And nobody born outside the UK can understand what that means.
I live in the USA by choice and for all sorts of good reasons but recognize with respect the sovereign umbrella of this great nation which is still finding its stumbling, sometimes juvenile feet.

Yeah, this ticks me off.  

How many Americans died fighting the British?  Our identity was born in opposition to theirs and everything they stood for.

This is absolute crap.  Stay there.
If Brinley Brunton had been in Wales or Scotland she would have taken Welsh or Scottish citizenship and not a union flag in sight.I would bet England's Cross of St George flag was not on display at the ceremony.
Gordon Brown's britishness campaign (quietly dropped recently)is only targeted at England and the English.
For some reason New Labour believes immigrants can become Welsh and Scottish but not English.
Campaign English Parliament

Very good Linda Gerardi!! I agree completly. Transplanted Canuck
"I'm appalled that one would trade US citizenship for matters of convenience, as Ms. Bruton implies she has done." Ra Noel

Ra Noel,

She did not "trade" her US citizenship.  As a matter of fact, she is STILL a US citizen.  However, since she now also holds a British passport as well, it is understood that she now has DUAL citizenship!
I took Australian citizenship 35 years ago but I never stopped being English, with an accent like mine it is impossible to be anything else. Good Luck to all immigrants in the world,just be your selves. vive la difference.
I became a dual citizen of Canada/US when I was 26 years old (in 1995)-due to my mother being a Canadian citizen. Britain may be different, but the age of 21 makes no difference as far as Canada goes. There is no need to renounce citizenship anymore. I was asked to go to the Canadian consul in L.A., at a convenient time for me, put my hand on the Bible, and among other things, I remember swearing an oath of allegiance to the Queen. Honestly, the oath meant very little to me, and I thought it odd to pledge allegiance to the monarchy. This (that I seem to take the privilege of being a citizen of both countries so lightly) probably offends some Canadians, and also some Americans, but it doesn't take away from the fact that Canadians, Brits, and Americans have all died for their countries. I appreciate their sacrifices in their blood. I am fully aware that it is a PRIVILEGE to be a Canadian and an American, and something that some people wish and aspire to be because of the opportunities and freedoms in these countries. I was born in the U.S., have lived in the U.S. my entire life (38 years), and I have never lived in Canada for longer than 2 weeks. I don't feel "Canadian," even though I hold a passport for both countries. I feel "American". The U.S. is a great country, but I don't think it's really any better than Canada or Britain (and I've visited both). There's differences between each that we could list but they're all great countries. Why is being an American such a hallowed and sacred thing? Can't we appreciate America and the sacrifices that others have made for the country without having to worship it, and denigrate others who seek citizenship elsewhere? I became a Canadian out of convenience, because I wanted the option of living there if I desired someday. I think Canada is a great country too, but that doesn't mean I don't love America as well.
I'm glad the article was about what it means to be British. I've had a few unfortunate encounters with Brits on-line, but I must say it would be easier to identify an Aussie. All you need be, is rude, foul mouthed, insulting, drunken, abusive, and pompous. Making idle threats of violence is usually optional.
I am a citizen of the world... I do not need papers!!!
Nationalities are obsolete. Nations exist for the convenience of politicians to know how far their power base extends. We all participate in a global economy; communicate electronically worldwide (except in a few countries with limits); and dance back and forth across borders all the time. To see how much they merge and overlap, just visit any border town adjoining Mexico or Canada.

The difference is just an artificial line in the sand.

Nations need to get caught up with real life on this. In the EU they have taken steps to do so. It is also quite easy to cross between Malaysia and Singapore, or Malaysia and Brunei, although they do have a bit of busywork with bureaucratic formsfilling.
It's not just the legality of dual citizenship.. She pledged allegiance to the Queen of England. In this country you pledge allegiance to the flag(country). How can you have allegiance to two?  At best that makes one a liar.  At worst a traitor.
I thank a dual citizen is a good idea , for those who travel the world. I would also say pride in who you are and where you are from is also important.I feel there should be a option inbetween.People who travel the world should not get to vote in other countrys.if you want move fine but dont expect them to change for you.Brit's are our friends i am happy when they prosper,but i am still a proud to say im american. Quit bashing were not in a contest.
Was I the only one who actually read the article? This woman did not give up her American passport, she very clearly states that. It is called dual citizenship, people! I am in the process of claiming Irish citizenship through a grandparent born there. I work for a large multinational French company and speak six European languages, so being able to live and work in most of Europe suits me just fine. Other fringe benefits include (but are not limited to), studying at Irish universities for free, being able to enter certain other countries without a visa (Brasil, for example) and being able to justify buying two different styles of Louis Vuitton passport holders.
Disgraceful,offencive,patronising,condescending attitude from a proud,Stereotypical Ugly American.
Neither Britain or America wants or needs fair weather citizens.
Margaret in Southfield, MI,most British people don't own cars because of the price of gas?,
Margaret are you really that Ignorant and Dumb?.As for the bad teeth comment,I guess
if Americans are going to be the fattest most obese nation on the planet your going to
need Teeth like Mr Ed's,right?.Unlike America EVERY child in the UK gets Free Dental Care.
How many Americans have NO Health Care again?,45 Million?,50 million?.God bless America?,soon hopefully.
Having dual citizenship is convenient, but at some point in time a nation may ask you to step forward and possibly give ones life in its defense. Dual citizenship should come with a price. If you want to be a citizen of two countries, then you should be required to register on the rolls of selective service for both countries.  Rules and international agreements between countries should be established to prevent "dual" citizens from shirking their responsibilities to those nations they have sworn their allegience.

People need to realize those citizen ceremonies are for a reason. The pledge of loyalty is not a matter of meaningless formality.  Words have meaning. When you pledge and oath of loyalty to a nation, there is an unwritten rule that you take that pledge without MENTAL RESERVATION OR PURPOSES OF EVASION.    

I have also seen proponents of "we are all citizens of the world." This is a dangerous statement. Yes, we all live on the earth, but we do not live in a world that is nationless. Claiming that we are all citizens of the world is a goal associated with globalization. In a perfect world, globalization calls for nations with out borders and the free flow of people to and from nations without restrcition.  Given today's precarious position, are we really will to give up the notion of nationalism and more importantly security in order to create an environment where we are "citizens of the world?"    
I was born in Northern Ireland, and am currently residing in the USA, holding citizenship to both it and the UK. I am here looking after my 93 year old father-in-law, and my 84 year-old mother-in-law who has dementia. This couple have been together for almost 70 years and want to remain at home.Sadly the health care system in America doesn't cover this unless you have a never ending supply of your own money, then it doesn't seem to be a problem, or you are willing to have all your hard earned assets absorbed by the state you live in and then they will consider helping......it is  a disgrace. Home health care is a priority for elderly people in the UK, as well as family input in caring for other family members. All my family members are there and I have never known any one to not receive medical attention. And imagine the bliss when you NEVER have to worry about the bill arriving later. My husband and I are planning to move there when we can, life there is more fun, humorous, and spontaneous. A few people here need to seriously lighten up....oh....and about the teeth issue, at least we are not so obsessed with appearance that we get into debt to look 'beautiful', our teeth are our own rather than veneers/bridges/ crowns,and we are not blinding each other with such a falsely dazzling smile....again at what cost? The biggest price paid here is loss of a genuine personality, so many people are trying so hard to be what they are never going to be, 'cos no matter what you look like on the outside, if you are a snide, callous person on the inside nothing will be able to hide that!!! SO many people are not given a chance here solely because of appearance.....
America on one hand is a great, beautiful country, just a shame about all the drawbacks that on the other hand can make it a horrible place to be.
Oh, I know the line 'if you don't like it...leave'.
Don't worry, as soon as my help here is no longer needed for my husband's parents.....I will!!!
I moved to the US from the UK four years ago, and now find it laughable to hear criticism of British teeth. Margaret should spend time with Americans who don't have health insurance before making such comments (maybe Southfield MI isn't home to any of the tens of millions who don't.) With her car comment, it's obvious that she hasn't spent any time (on the correct side of the road) on the M25!
I was born in Lincolnshire and lived in England all of my life.
I am English not British and want my country to be independent of Scotland (especially), Wales and Northern Ireland.
England's existence is being abolished for the sake of the laughably named "United" Kingdom.
England is the only country in the European Union without its own parliament or assembly.
I despise the notion of multiculturalism and diversity because all they have meant is an onslaught against my country, culture, democracy and identity.
Slight confusion of terms here, if you are a national of a republic, you are a citizen, in a monarchy, a subject. Therefore I am a Danish subject.
An EU passport is a wonderful thing to have, now you can drive from Portugal to Lithuania without any form of border checks or restrictions.
Welcome to our open Europe, American friends.
Michael Hughes
Denmark
OMG do you people hear yourselves? You all are a bunch of moron's. It dosen't matter where you are born or where you live, we are all the same. We all have red blood a beating heart, and every one wants to argue over what nationality or what country you represent. The bottom line is human beings creates nationalitys, country and humans also create the problems we have today because no one is smart enough to realize we are ALL THE SAME.
Ms Patrick,
I'm on the other coast.  It's very challenging.  After spending most of my life in the USA, I feel more British than ever, and I'm not even a UK citizen.  It was my "cradle" country, however.  I should have waited two years and come in on a distinguished artists visa instead of an immigrant one with an Irish name.  Boy o boy, did I run into stereotyping, but that's more pertinent to my locale than the rest of the USA.  I have tremendous admiration and respect for America and believe it has an incredible ability to "right"itself if the political will is there.  I am worried, however, about the UK.  BBC cultural exports now express sadism, cruelty and pedophilia and/or an obsession with the past.  British writers dont seem to have "permission" to express contemporary angst.  But Englanders who lived within 50 miles of their ancestors for generations are now scattered all ovr Europe and NA in a new and unregistered diaspora.  They/"we" feel displaced in our own lands, and second class citizens.  One guy decided to leave when he saw "Asians only" signs at petrol stations.  Another was harassed out of her lovely home by "imports."  And so on...but no, becoming a British citizen is not an abrogation of loyalty or affection for the US; just as my US citizenship is a celebration of my regard for America, but doesn't obliterate speech cadences, affection for strange English foods, etc.  Chin up, chaps!
I find the flag-waving / Benedict Arnold / Queen loyalty / anti-immigration flare-ups very boring and out of touch with a progressive world.... these thoughts are the causes of most of the world's 'cross border'and inter-cultural violence imo. No one nation is immune from having varying amounts of their population excessively dwelling in such nonsense. Britons who declare themselves 'true brits' by ancestry should remember that by ancestry, they themselves are very likely foreigners in their own land -look at your ancient history -you've been invaded and/or ruled by Vikings, Romans, Scottish, Celts, Saxons, French etc, etc,-not to mention how much of a large mixed 'international blood' brit colonials brought back to England from 'relationships' with locals of foreign lands. btw, I'm a Brit with dual citizenship now living 'across the pond'. Bless my fellow Brits back home who are not wallowing in excess of 'over-priding'.
Wow...the ignorance here is unbelievable, and the British are the ones who are xenophobic?????
 I have one year before I can begin the process of British Citizenship.  I am a very proud American, married to a wonderful British man, and we have two children (who are dual passport holders).  I have lived in England for two years, and have been welcomed into the country just as if I were born and raised here.  I love my American heritage, but I also feel like England has provided me with a husband, a lovely way of life, and a great place to raise my children, so I am honored to assimilate as a citizen.  I would never denounce the US as my home, but I will tell you:  the longer I live away from home, the more sad I become about America; The statements written by people here are what we Americans are constantly stereotyped as...rude, ignorant, ethno-centric.  Last week the headline on the BBC was Britney Spears...we are seen as shallow and gossipy, materialistic.  Thanks to those of you who share a broader view of the world, and can speak intelligently about such topics!!  You are the Americans I'm proud to see visit England!
I am proud to be a dual citizen of both Canada and the United States having served in the Marine Corps a number of years ago.
It's sad to see such ignorance from Americans when us Americans abroad spend a large amount of time defending our country against everyone else.

One thing I think is interesting is that the UK government makes it cheaper to apply for citizenship than they do for indefinite leave to remain (the other requirements are the same).  So in a way, they encourage those of us who are living or working abroad for a long time to take on dual citizenship versus any other sort of visa.  I'll be going for UK citizenship later this year for that very reason, though I will never give up my US passport and will always consider myself American first.
Re Margaret's comment that most people here in the UK don't own cars, her facts are not remotely correct , infact most families have 2 or more cars, even though we pay more than double what you pay for gas in the US. If her comments were correct it would be great, our Motorways (Freeways) would be empty, but sadly this is not the case. With regard to our teeth how many UK mouths has she inspected lately, I don't know of anyone with dental hygeine problems, we have free NHS (National Health Service) dental treatment available for people who choose not to pay for private treatment.    
We are British Subjects, not Citizens.
The only Citizen is a EUssr one. My last passport had Member of the EEC on the front cover, the latest one has Eoropean Citizen on the front cover.
The salami slicing of your sovernty By the EUssr.
I for one can't wait until I can get my Irish passport. Here in the US if you overstay your passport by 9 days then try to come back here 5 years later it is nearly impossible. In Ireland and Europe you overstay you passport by 6 months they let you back in again without problems. My fiance overstayed by 9 days here, I overstayed by 6 months. I have been in and out of Europe 4 times, 3 this year alone. What a joke this country is. Each time I go there I am asked 2 maybe 3 questions. When I come back here to the US I am asked 20 questions and have to fillout a form that askes many more. When I leave Minneapolis I don't see my luggage again until I get to Cork, Ireland. Here I have to go through the questions, get my luggage, then through more questions, then get my luggage to the next plane and then have to run to my next flight. Again, what a joke. If you are a US citizen it is a huge pain. The only reason I do what I'm doing is out of real love. Europe laughs at how the US does things. I do as well. We have a couple of attacks and we overreact. How many has Europe had and yet they are more open than we are.
Yes, I can't wait to get an Irish Passport. I will keep my US citizenship, so I can come back when my dad passses or my son graduates from high school. Canada is easier for Europeans to get in and out of than for US citizens to do so. Why? Because how we do things here. Yes, our system is a joke and is broke.
I also find in amazing how Senator Norm Coleman, R- MN and other politicans are not quick to help me in getting my fiance here. She is hiding in plain sight from an x partner, that tried to kill us both. I have documentation on that in the Irish courts. They did nothing, I am guessing because I'm a US citizen. Yes, they can't carry guns but if they had been able to do so my fiance would have been murdered before I got there. Oh, yes our immigration, the people that know all, told me that her police will protect her. Yeah right. What police force in any part of the world could do that? What government could do that? Not a one. It would have been easier for them to let her here. Now I have to look for work there and live under the constant threat of beind killed because of our inept INS or what ever they are called now.
Yes, that Irish passport is looking really good. At least with that I wouldn't have to be worried about not getting a free drink and everyone is Irish on St. Patrick's day!!
I am a US Citizen and lived in the U.K. for ten years with my British husband. While there are many things I loved about England, like the really excellent National Health Service, the resulting higher quality of life due to no healthcare worries, and the incredible flora and fauna, I was still not willing to become a citizen.  Like many people I went there with preconceived notions about an idealic England, where everyone was polite, the villages were quant, the crime rate low, very few cars or traffic, an excellent transportation system and the people proper and sober. To say the least I dismayed by the reality!
The people were rude, anti-American, as well as anti-anyone not born in England, and very, very intolerant of other cultures. They also refuse to accept any responsibility for their own actions, preferring to blame any country they are not afraid of. Only last week the British accused America of deliberately poisoning their poor soldiers with tainted blood.  Never mind that they begged for the blood because they had neglected to replenish their own supply of “safe” British blood.  And I was quickly divested of any notion that there might be an iota of gratitude for American help in both world wars, as in their opinion we were responsible for all of it anyway.
The only time you see “Patriotism” is in regard to sports or their right to binge drink to all hours. The British institution of “The Pub” is in reality a nightly excuse to get pissed. They are anything BUT proper or sober . More like irretrievably vulgar!
The  quant villages are few and becoming fewer by the day. The cities were filthy beyond belief. The traffic is every bit as bad as any major U.S. city and most people DO have cars as the transportation systems are inadequate
The crime rate is higher that even the USA.  Mr. Rees is mistaken (or perhaps the dreaded “Inaccurate”)  because there ARE roving gangs in the U.K. These gangs, some children as young as 10, are violent, uncontrolled,  and they beat pensioners to death on a whim quite frequently. Also, the trick or treaters have little to fear from homeowners, or “macho gun-toting retards”  on their October nightly visits demanding money, not candy.  Yes, Halloween lasts a month there and heaven help the resident that has no cash  - their property will most likely be damaged. And there is little or no assistance from the police as children, up to the age of 18, are virtually untouchable. They might be slapped with an ASBO, a laughable excuse for a deterrent, but  they know  that they can kill you and walk free.  It is the victim that  is far more likely to be arrested should they live through an assault.
And as for firearms the British attitude is ridiculous. The crime rate is so bad that it is unsafe to walk home alone even in daylight and all weapons are easily attainable, even firearms,  judging by the amount of gun crime in London alone.  I find it ludicrous that the British think it is more acceptable to bludgeon, stab, beheaded, set afire, stomp and beat someone to death, as long as you DON’T, God forbid, shoot them with a gun!

I did not want citizenship there – dual or otherwise.  Even an international job would not have made me apply for a British passport. I am thrilled to have  returned permanently to the USA where the sun shines, people are unashamedly flag waving Yankee Doodle  patriotic, where everyone  smiles and waves,  and you are allowed to defend your life and that of your family. Even my British husband prefers it!


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