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Finding the ‘old’ in ‘new’ China

Posted: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 1:26 PM
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By Adrienne Mong, NBC News Producer

CHONGQING MUNICIPALITY, Central China –

Many of our stories for NBC News focus on the "new" China. Since the country launched its open-door policy in 1978, there's been much to say and much to document on this subject – unprecedented social change amidst years of double-digit economic growth.

But it's the old China that fascinates me – a China that still holds fast to a certain way of life, no matter how many new Louis Vuitton boutiques or Wal-Mart superstores might sprout up across the country.

Roughly 60 percent of the nation lives in the countryside. I was reminded of that recently as we sped down Yuyi Expressway, through the Chongqing provincial municipality, where every nook and cranny is occupied. We were on an official trip sponsored by the Chinese government to visit the Yangtze River’s Three Gorges Dam and some other areas along the way.

Signs of the ‘old’
Driving this road, you see rice paddies of every size and shape and fields of leafy green vegetables stacked on top of one another like tiers of a wedding cake. Where there is no farmland, there are two- or three-story concrete homes with green tinted windows reflecting the countryside.

Image: The face of New China?
Adrienne Mong / NBC News
The face of New China?

It's this sleepy, but hardy rural culture that we rarely get to observe from our perch in the big city of Beijing: gaggles of extremely plump, white-feathered ducks; farmers carrying buckets of dirt balanced on a pole around their shoulders; the odd water buffalo; and babies swaddled in padded cotton layers and wearing split pants (who says the Chinese aren't good to their environment; imagine all the babies here using disposable diapers!).

And then, of course, there's that ultimate symbol of old China: the government minder. No matter how much the country has opened up to foreigners, foreign influence, and foreign media, the central government still retains a healthy suspicion toward journalists.

Old government, new media
During our visit to the Yangtze River's Three Gorges region, we were being shepherded by a group of government minders from the State Council Information Office (the central government's public affairs/information department) and provincial-level officials. The ones from Beijing were distinctly better dressed, spoke English, and seemed generally affable. The local officials were much quieter, officious, and liked to hover.

Whenever we did anything remotely journalistic – like film a scene, take notes, or interview someone – we suddenly  had three or four cameras trained on us. One or two would be a local Chinese news organization filing the obligatory "foreign media see China!" story.  The others we were not so sure about; the guys looked an awful lot like our minders, dressed in ill-fitting suits, carrying their cameras like props.

Image: An NBC News  interview attracts local interest.
Adrienne Mong / Nbc News
An NBC News' Mark Mullen conducts an interview and attracts local interest.

When we tried to wander off the beaten trail, as we did in the old town of Dachang, minders materialized from all corners to shoo us back in the direction of the guide.

By the time we'd been driven to the third waste-management plant of the trip – all part of the government’s effort to demonstrate the seriousness with which it takes environment concerns arising from the Three Gorges Dam project – even the local journalists were bored.

A moment of rebellion
But then there was at least one unexpected moment of levity. During a whirlwind go-round of Xingshan, we trooped through the main town square and came upon a group of elderly ladies preparing to rehearse a drum dance. It was sunset, and the scene was picture-perfect. All the cameramen immediately sprung into action and the reporters began asking questions. 

We hung back a little. It seemed like another government orchestration – a parade of happy villagers.

Image: An older woman in Xingshan takes in all the excitement.
Adrienne Mong / Nbc News
An older woman in Xingshan takes in all the excitement.

But then shouts echoed in the square.

"Let's go, let's go, let's go!" a handful of officials shouted at the journalists, trying to herd everyone toward the waiting minibuses.

Then the drumming was punctuated by a long wail.

"Aiya," one of our Beijing minders said. "We're behind schedule! This isn't even part of the program!"

Everyone ignored her. Our cameraman began filming. And the elderly women continued dancing and singing as the sun set over the square.

Read Adrienne's other blog from her trip: China's Three Gorges Dam - a magnet for controversy

 

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I was in southern China nearly 60 years ago and have been back 8 time since but my first trip was the most memorable. I can still smell the odor of the "night earth" which was collected in "Honey wagons" and taken to the fields to fertilize the crops.  I can still smell the burnt charcoal from the cooking fires in the braziers and I remember well the friendleness of the Chinese to Americans for having stood by them and helped them against the Japanese in the 30's and 40's.
We've been living in China for several months each year going back to 2001.  Last year we spent 7 months there living in Discovery Bay and Tung Chung on Lantau Island just outside of Hong Kong.  We have traveled to several cities and enjoyed the hospitality
of the people who we find to be generally open and friendly.  They are as honest as this country was back in the forties and fifties.  Since we were low profile visitors, we were never under the watchful eyes as your visit.  We did get to visit some of the small villages and people (i.e. a 70+ year old man and his pet cricket in a small bambo cage) in private homes and compounds.  We also found that the Chinese people are very curious about foreigners and the young high school and college students will corner you in a second to try to practice their English language skills.  We've had as many as 20-30 students gathered around us, each politely taking their turn trying to speak to us.  It was a wonderfull experience.
We've seen Hong Kong before and after the return to China's control.  We didn't see much of a change.  We have seen an unfortunate change in housing over the past few years.  The older Chinese population are being driven out of Hong Kong as it is going through a rapid period of growth.  The skyline has changed dramatically in just 5 years.  Now those who work in and around central Hong Kong have to commute.  One visit to Shenjen province and witnessing the mass of people going through customs entering Hong Kong will give one the sense of how many people have been displaced.
My Son has been living and working in Hong Kong for over eight years so my wife and I are fortunate to visit such a beautiful and fascinating country.  We'll be returning next spring for several months.
We look forward to more news and we enjoy your blog.
Best regards,
Bob and Lorna Healey
Plymouth, MA
We look forward to more news  
I too am fascinated by old customs all over the world including China. One thing I noticed is that westerners are often drawn to Chinese traditional customs, dress, medicine and dwellings. On the other hand a fair number of Chinese are more fascinated with having modern things, high rise apartments with internet access and a car rather than a bicycle. I was in Beijing prior to many of the old hutongs being torn down to make way for modern high rises and I was a bit saddened that many of these ways may completely disappear and at the same time happy for their improved standard of living (even though some hutongs may have had more square meters of living space). I knew someone who grew up in one and while their childhood may not have been idyllic it tied him in with memories of a local neighborhood with local shopping and a shared experience as opposed to a more impersonal metropolitan existence. I hope that China finds a way to strike a balance that it is satisfied with between the old and new and still advance to the highest technical levels. The odd thing is that in a green America I would prefer to also see a move towards more bike paths, fewer cars, more self-sufficient neighborly communities and a preservation of traditions. There something still left in the old China that can be instructive for an even better world.
Ah, yes, communism. . .that discredited political philosophy which will soon be assigned to the dust bin of history along with bell bottom pants and George Bush. . .China will become just another "former socialist state" once capitalism swallows up Marxism and the New Ideology is based on Kentucky Colonel and the teachings of Donald Trump. . .the current regime is just marking time--once the Old Guard dies out--the "New China" will be full of tabloid scandals, the escapades of candidates running for election, fast food coupons ready to be clipped in the local newspapers, and endless stories of political candidates promising total democracy and a "green economy."
Something is changing. And we all wish one day she will be a wealthy, virtuous and democratic country.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.
Something is changing. And we all wish one day she will be a wealthy, virtuous and democratic country.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.
China has a long and full heritage that is not well represented by the current, or recent past, Communist government.  There is life (qi - pronounced "chee") that still resides and is in waiting to take back that ancient culture.  I predict it will rise up and rebuff the insurgance of western norms.  The one norm that is most heinous is the one-child policy of forced abortion.  The heartbreak of all of this death will produce an unease and uprising at some point in the not too distant future.  I hope it is sooner and not later.

Uncle Raisin
www.UncleRaisin.com
"Raisin" the Standard Against Injustice
I lived in Shanghai for over five years, and much of what is addressed in this article is part of a very odd reality that one finds when experiencing China.  In Tiananmen Square, around the holidays in 2002, I watched a white van pull into the square. People were systematically pulled out of the van, with their hands in handcuffs, and were kicked and punched in the face for all to see.  I asked a Chinese woman standing by what was going on, she said they were Falun Gong memebers.  A foreign tourist next to us raised her camera to get a picture, and before she could even focus, a plain clothed man came out of nowhere and grabbed her camera and was going to confiscate it until he figure out that no picture was taken.  It was a strange situation.  Made more strange because of the Coca-Cola, McDonalds, and Starbucks signs surrounding you in the moment.  Pictures of China represent a lot of the symbols that we identify as being Western and capitalist, but it is wise to keep in mind while there that, although capitalism is rising strongly, the government is still very communist.        
Thank you MSNBC! Finally a positive piece on China. After all of the China-bashing-boycott nonsense that has been appearing on your various message boards it is quite refreshing to see a somewhat unbiased article. As an American living and working in China I am able to freely express my opinions on the Internet everyday. Unfortunately, lately, I have been spending an inordinate amount of time writing defenses of China to misinformed and xenophobic Americans. How about a little help? What's wrong with fostering a little global friendship and world peace? The Chinese people are amazing and truly wonderful. Please show these things to the American people, after all, both countries deserve some respect and the truth.  
I've traveled America by the freeway & the backroad. The last 3 yrs I've seen China (& India) both ways. Business travel has allowed me to meet local officials and the non-political.  Most were genuinely friendly. If we could get the politics and nationalism out of people relationships, the world might be a much better place....but, the despots, ah, those who would lord it over the weak & gentle, would never let it be.  So be wary, but make friends wherever you go.
I can second what Michael Grassi just posted.  I'm an American who has lived in China for 5 years now and China is most definitely NOT the way that the country is portrayed in the MSM.  Yes, all of the negative things DO exist, but none of them represent China as whole.  Thus most Americans have a terribly distorted perspective of China.

The Chinese people are very warm and friendly, particularly to Americans - the "beautiful people" from the "beautiful country".  Yes, that is the translation of their word for "Americans" and "America" respectively.

Please don't take my word for it, just don't believe everything you read either.  Why not come see for yourself?

I'm not a 'conspiratorist', but it sure does appear as if sinister forces are at work trying to make China and America not just strong competitors, but actual enemies.  Please join me in helping to make sure that this doesn't happen.
Great Piece and I echo the words of others who wish for more pieces like this.

I have been in China for 6 years and some of my best memories are from my time spent out of the city.  There is a lot to China, and it is nice to someone getting beyond the shiny buildings and politically easy product safety stories.

r
www.allroadsleadtochina.com
As one of 23 Americans who chose to go to China,  rather than return to the U.S.A. after the Korean War,I was blessed to be able to enjoy the 'old' China and it's people before the 'Great Leap Forward'.

I was a student at People's University Of China for Two years and worked for another year and a half in Wuhan,returning to the U.S. in 1957.

Two years ago, I was asked returned to China to film a documentary, and was amazed at the changes. We filmed in all  of the places I had lived and worked. I never, in my wildest dreams, would  have expected to see a Starbucks or Colonel Sanders in the great plaza of Peijing. Sadly, all of my old hang-outs are long gone. most of the little hutongs vanished. But I did find a swinging place, ran by a nice Jamacian. The food was great, and so was the music.

China is now a great power. But  suffers from many of the same problems that plague us, more smog than L.A. and traffic tie-ups that put ours to shame. I hope she finds a way to preserve her heritage and still move forward.  I wish her well, and remember the 'good old days' and the friendly people.
As one of 23 Americans who chose to go to China,  rather than return to the U.S.A. after the Korean War,I was blessed to be able to enjoy the 'old' China and it's people before the 'Great Leap Forward'.

I was a student at People's University Of China for Two years and worked for another year and a half in Wuhan,returning to the U.S. in 1957.

Two years ago, I was asked returned to China to film a documentary, and was amazed at the changes. We filmed in all  of the places I had lived and worked. I never, in my wildest dreams, would  have expected to see a Starbucks or Colonel Sanders in the great plaza of Peijing. Sadly, all of my old hang-outs are long gone. most of the little hutongs vanished. But I did find a swinging place, ran by a nice Jamacian. The food was great, and so was the music.

China is now a great power. But  suffers from many of the same problems that plague us, more smog than L.A. and traffic tie-ups that put ours to shame. I hope she finds a way to preserve her heritage and still move forward.  I wish her well, and remember the 'good old days' and the friendly people.
I agree with Mr. Dean Nash!  I too have lived in China on and off for the past 5 years.  I have also lived in other Asian countries for 2 years.  China is a warm and friendly place to live.  I worked there as a teacher in their schools.  I was treated better there as a teacher than here in the US!  They are a sincere and warm people.
i have traveled to china several times in the last 5 years and 1 time was to marry my present wife.i truely love the country and find the people to be curious of americans but in no way unfriendly.i have travelrd to places you would not normally go as a tourist.during a visit to a tourist spot one day i met a group of young prople who warmed up to me and wanted thier picture taken with the tall american.i found out real quick they were deaf but this did not seem to slow them down a bit.i got in the middle of the group put my arms across thier shoulders and had the most wonderful few minutes with them.this really made my day. there really is another china than what you see on the news and if the chinese government would give me dual citizenship i would be gone there to live. i always remember when i am in china that i am a guest in thier country and try very hard to show respect to them and thier country.
I am very encouraged to see this article too because my wife and I are adopting a girl from China and hope to have her home in 2008. We love the Chinese people, their culture and heritage and cannot wait to fully take it all in, the "new" China and the "old." We need more peace and love in the world!
I am enchanted with the ways of old in China's history.  It is a beautiful country that has historically been written, photographed, and visited because of that fact. The people themselves are very respectful and beautiful.  The Chinese people are always a content and honorable society.  There even have been on-spot interviews with the people, and all have given open arms statements to the citizens of America.  China has alot to offer in terms of medicine, relaxation, and other things to extend one's life.  To the present it is scary on the physical damage of the country.  There are towns that take old technologies televsions, cell phones, computers, and etc. to recycle the important parts like chips, mother boards, and other items.  The sad thing is the left-overs are burnt mainly.  The towns folk burn them in trash cans (metal barrels) which are deadly pollutants and are done daily.  This includes plastics which pollute the air so bad the air color is literally orange.  Babies test positve on a daily basis of deadly chemicals in their bodies and suffer deformities including the brain itself.  The river that flows through these towns is a slick black tarry looking water.  The second issue that bothers me is China is the number one country to purchase and kill endangerd species for supposed medicine and food sources.  China is beautiful, but needs to address their issues to keep the country majestical.  I dream to see a panda bear in it's natural habitat, to see the great wall, and to visit the people.  As the common saying goes "one day I'll be able to".  The greatest would be able to sit on a mountain side and read the Tao.  I hope China realizes preservation is as important to itself, as the pursuit of technological growth.
I spent mid-August to mid-October in China.  One month was spent living in 24 unit apartment building in Shanghai --probably occupied by lower middle income people.  A young woman in the compound got married -- there very loud fireworks set off to announce the occasion.  Soybean straw was set afire for the groom to jump over.  Sidewalk vendors of food were out every morning, the police "shooed" them off the sidewalk everyday about 6:00 a.m.  Repair and manufacturing took place on the sidewalk in front of their small cubicle along the sidewalk -- children were fed on the sidewalk, food was prepared at the sidewalk/cubicle edge, laundry was also done there.  Every morning perhaps 200 mostly women went through dance moves swaying with the music from a boom box.

I also spent time in Beijing, saw some of the local sights/sites -- and then went to the interior where I stayed in a village home, slept in their home on a family bed, ate with them, and they showed me around the village.  All or most of the homes had soil/sod roofs, some homes were composting animal wastes to make methane for cooking.  I saw the Great Wall, Ming Tombs, Tanzhe Temple, Tian'an Men Square, Terra Cotta Warriors and other "tour-book" sites -- but the most memorable part of the trip is the people.  THE SOUL OF A COUNTRY IS ITS PEOPLE, one has not really seen China if seen only through the windows of a tour bus and in a room at the Hilton and behind the flag of a tour guide.  I am going back in January '07.
AS RECENTLY AS YESTERDAY THE CHINESE TROOPS ARE IN BHUTAN, AN INDEPENDENT KINDOM, NEIGHBOURING NEPAL. THE BHUTANES GOVERNMENT HAS NOT GIVEN PERMISSION FOR THE TROOPS TO BE IN BHUTAN. wHAT ARE THEY DOING IN BHUTAN TRYING TO ANNEX THE KINGDOM?WORLD WAKE UP!
I believe the same can be said about all nations and peoples all over the world.  How can one generalize by solely relying on some source and not see anything by oneself?   I've lived half my life in the US, and half in Hong Kong.  Traveling to various parts of China since 1983, I've not seen any change in the nature of this great nation, the only changes are made in the economic and physical environment.  I'm sure I'll get lost around Beijing now, no doubt, since my last visit in 2002, 4th ring was considered 'far' from city center, and now 6th ring is as buzzing as the 3rd ring used to be!    As in understanding any nation, please do spend time with the locals, and keep in touch with them, try and see if the friendship can or will be a lasting one.  
Having lived and worked in Hong Kong and Beijing for several tours of duty in private enterprise as well as higher education, my admiration for the Chinese people continues growing.  Smart, achievement oriented people with a work ethic we haven't seen here in the U.S. in decades.  While the government is imperfect in many ways, it is doing a remarkable job managing a vast country of 1.3 billion people through rapid and enormous change.  The smartest thing yet to be done is to rename the "party" from Communist Party to something more progressive sounding that would better reflect their current ideology, and reduce the Western 'hand wringing.'

many foreingers coming to China for business and travelling. But I hate them to cheat Chinese girls. Especailly the men who just want to hunt girls for sex. God damn!
I must say I have enjoyed reading this article as well as all of the messages posted.  I too have travelled to China for several years.  My travels there have been due to business and working directly in the factories as a buyer.  I agree with Dean, Americans certainly do have a distorted view of the Chinese.  They are wonderful people! The most hard working people!  I have created new friendships that will last a lifetime.  I am so grateful for having the opportunity of going to China.
When asked to describe my experience, it is so hard to do so.  Unless you have been there, you will not have a complete understanding of the people and their culture.
Thank you MSNBC for oding this article!
While I have enjoyed learning about the experiences of Americans who live in China, I am interesting in hearing from more Americans who work with Chinese students here in America.  These students are in continuous dialog with their people back in China.  One of the things that I have found is that these students want, but are not experiencing, more diversified interaction with Americans while they are studying here.  The greatest barriers seems to be "English" and difficulty dealing with American diversity, which often is what is sending so many conflicting messages about what America really stands for.  If it's a struggles for Americans so just think what a struggle it is for the Chinese. When I was living in Japan, a very closed society in terms of religious and ethnic diversity, I also found this to be true.

It's going to be interesting to see how much the Chinese government is really going to change in terms of freedom and openness, even with their interest in economic development and growth.  And yes, even the Chinese government has acknowledged that it's the religious, spiritual issues that are going to present the greatest challenge!  
   
This blog has been on of the most helpful and informative on the internet.  It’s a good example of how the internet can work to foster better communication and understanding of others.

Thanks and Merry Christmas and Happy New Year (In China, America and among all the Nations)!    


I have travelled to China four times during the past two years and find both the country and the people to be extremely kind and friendly to foreigners. I have experienced the wonders of Xian City, Guilin and Hainan, as well as the bustling cities of Shenzhen and Guangzhou. The Chinese Government Officials I have come into contact with have been extremely helpful and courteous. Hardly, the so-called hard-liners they are portrayed as. I love China and would like to live there permanently. It is a fascinating country with so much history. The US preoccupation with China and Chinese made goods is nothing but a smokescreen. These days, it seems as though China simply cannot do anything right. Perhaps, the large US companies are looking for a way to knock out their competition. Remember what happened to the Volkswagen?
I m a Chinese professor living in the US now. Even with some problems ,say, increasing gap between the rich and poor, corruption, poverty in rural areas,etc. People there are very friendly ,esp to foreign friends. Few Westerners know inside out of the country. If you understand the nation better, you would find the so-called China threat is ridiculous.
The situation in China is much like 1938 and the Olympics.
Im an American living in China as well, in Guangzhou.  Im rather young Id say to be living here away from home.  Im 25, and China, overall is awesome and it is true that Americans perceive this country very wrongfully.  Just ask my friends back home, they all think Im crazy and have lost my mind.  As Americans were very sheltered to our own country, which is extremely shameful.  Get out there and see the world!

As for the mans comment above, about people beating up Fulan Gong members in Beijing....I HIGHLY doubt this occured, and feel he may practice Fulan Gong himself.  The people who study this, and let it turn into their lives, are completely insane and fragile people, that need help!  It is a freakin Cult!
Hello Dean A. Nash,

The Chinese translation of country names is based on phonetic instead of the actual meaning.

For example, the direct translation of France is Law country and French as Law country people. They don't actually mean France is a lawful country and French people are all law obeying citizens. Instead, the translation is based on the pronunciation of "France", the "F" sound, which is close to the word "law" ("Fa") in Chinese.


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