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Venezuelans speaking their minds

Posted: Friday, November 30, 2007 3:41 PM
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CARACAS, Venezuela – In a country where some fear democracy is about to be muzzled, just about everyone seems to have something to say.

Venezuelans Sunday go to the polls to vote on a package of changes to the nation’s constitution that would, among other things, allow President Hugo Chavez to run for president his entire life and cut the work week down to 30-hours.

Tens of thousands of Chavez’s opponents poured into Caracas streets Thursday under a slogan "Shout No!" while even greater numbers of his supporters gathered Friday under the "Yes" banner.

Caracas painted in politics
The city is plastered with political signs from both sides – some slicker than others.

The government has hung hundreds of colorful banners along lampposts and billboards, urging people to stick with the man who took power in 1999.

The "No" campaign, a loose alliance of university students, old-guard politicians, and Chavez  defectors, has had less access to posting their message on state property, so it has resorted to painting over the fancy pro-government signs and passing out handbills on street corners in downtown Caracas.

VIDEO: Venezuela's controversial referendum

One wall near Venezuela’s Central University is plastered with a medley of messages, from "Christians Say Yes" to "Anarchists Against Chavez."

Government supporters wielding cans of red spray paint marked the gate around the 5-star Embassy Suites with a gigantic red "Sí."

People are even speaking their minds through their clothing. Donning blue t-shirts and caps means you are against the proposed constitutional changes and will vote "No" in the referendum.

Wearing red screams that you support the changes Chavez is promoting and will vote "Yes" in the ballot.

Tight race
According to recent polls, Sunday’s vote will most likely be close, although like any good political fight each camp remains convinced their side will win.

But both sides are anything but naïve about the possibility of a loss. The opposition has a carefully crafted plan to closely monitor the results, ready to call "foul" at any hint of fraud. 

Leopoldo Lopez, the mayor of the Chacao municipality in Caracas and a major opposition leader, told NBC News that he wants to see grassroots organizing to defeat Chavez in the next election, scheduled for 2012.

Even Chavez concedes that the last word lies with the Venezuelan people. If his constitutional "reform" package loses, Chavez said he would "start packing," despite the fact that his current presidential term goes until 2012. However, he predicts the reforms will be approved by a "crushing majority."

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ing, seems like in the U S,people don,t want to work, they want it given to them
I have spoken to many from Venezuela who are in favor  of Shavez. It does not seem strange to me that some of the people who comment about Shavez being so undemocratic support the Patriot Act and possibly the Bush administration and what it has done to democracy in this country. Double standards!! Anyway, Their knowledge of the world outside the US is limited by their hate for others (and what they hear on FOX news). Let the people from Venezuela decide for themselves what they want to do with Shavez and their country. Enough with intervening with other countries. We show what happened with Iraq.
One of the importan things you fail to mention in your article is that a lot of people that work for the government which includes PDVSA, UTILITIES and so forth are forced to march and attend pro-Chavez rallies. I know first hand because my family is affected by this. You either "volunteer" or you may loose your job. People are coerced in a such a way that their Arepas are tied to Chavez.  

He, unfortunately is following the same model Castro followed when I was a child and lived in Cuba. Little by little your loose your civil rights, forced to comply or you can't work, your are harrassed by appointed block committees and the abolition of a truly impartial justice system. My father worked for the Justice system before and during Castro and know first hand how it was undermined further that Batista ("Que tal?").  

I hope in the future when you publish an article such as this, show both sides of the equation including the coercion and the submission to a central state system they call a "Democracy".

I strongly suggest to my Venezuelan neighbors and compatriots to rise and hang this person by a hook, the same way the Italians hung Musolini. This is your last chance and there will not be anymore elections which will make a greater differences.

Chavez is a fraud, and embarrassment to the Venezuelan people, at least form my side hold a small sense of pride that Castro happens to be a greater statesmen in this world and has never directly attacked any world leader. Castro, also has good intentions in the beginning but were corrupted by "Heroes" such as Che'. And the rest is history.
chaves will tate venezuela to the cliner and the all south america country will pay the price u.s.olso.
although politically I favor Chavez, I dont believe that a constitutional change should apply to a sitting president, since he was elected under the previous constitutional laws.
Venezuelans deluded themselves in 1999 when they ellected Chavez. I was still a Vzlan citizen and went with my husband and child to visit that year which was the ellection year. My friends who are now against Chavez were enamored with him. Now they are truly disappointed since he has become a dictator.  He has allowed Cubans to take over the medical field because they've had a brain drain of doctors, the Iranians are running the oil industry after he forced employees like my brother, his wife and many of my friends to be fired and expelled from their homes because they were some of the millions of people who voted to request for Chavez resignation and marched against him.  Instead the marchers were met with bullets from the guards and pregnant women, children and elderly were killed by young National Guards.   All those who voted for his resignation were fired from the oil companies and private companies cannot hire them out of fear of being shut down. The companies like Shell Oil, etc. are no longer and Chavez owns the oil.  He gives free oil to Cuba and other countries in exchange for their back up.  Venezuelans sent delegations to the UN and Condoliza and Bush ingnored their pleas.  Well, Iran is there and the entire island of Margarita (Caribean coast) is owned by the rich Iranians and most Venezuelans hear Pharsy spoken in the street.  Al Quaida any one?
He's a punk, take him out.  Take his oil and give the money to the people.
It is time...it is time to stop this "revolutionary" non-sense and address the real issues the country has and that Chavez has proven time and time again over almost 9 years of rule that he and his supporters are NOT able to even begin to solve. The proposed changes to the constitution are only meant to perpetuate him in power and expand even more his grip over the legislative, judicial and electoral powers. This cannot be accepted. One of the advantages of democracy is precisely the ability that people have to alternate presidents thus alternating ideas and approaches so as to never allow the extremes to take over. The NO vote MUST win next Sunday if the country is to survive.
Chavez tried to take power through a military coup, but he failed. Then he tried to get elected, and he won. This isn't the usual order people try to follow in politics. He's won every election he has faced, and has faced down several other non-electoral challenges since his first election.

Frankly, I'm worried over all the anti-democratic complaining I keep hearing about how if Chavez wins this round, the country will become an elected dictatorship. That's a contradiction in terms.

Roosevelt was so popular that he was elected four times. The Republicans couldn't beat him, so they imposed term limits to prevent anyone as popular as he was from getting elected again. I think many people forget that when they complain about Chavez wanting any Venezuelan who wants to run more than twice to be able to do so.

Thanks for having this kind of discussion.
Maybe if one has a sense and an eye for South American society one should open one's eyes and see just WHO takes part in these well-organized demonstrations with their neatly and skilfully painted placards, really good clothes - but if I am not mistaken it is the economic conditions which are the cause for objection - and rather relaxed atmosphere, very well-educated in the Latin sense, it means cultured and urbane, all respects to them but is this "el pueblo" (the people) on a referendum proportion scale. I tend to think this need not be likely. Moreover it is the Venezuelan nation and not the media which must decide on their referendum on the date assigned to it at the ballot boxes.
Chavez needs to be rid of. he's an idiot.
I have not been buying Citgo Gasoline for over a year now because of a comment Chavez made.  He boldly stated that he wanted to make the US dependent on his oil so he could hurt them badly by shutting off the oil at a strategic time of his choosing.  I encourage everyone to boycott CITGO gasoline becasue it is from Venezuela, which is ruled by Chavez, a leader who wants nothing more than to hurt the US.  Lets wean ourselves off it so he can't hurt us as badly as he wants to.  Shell and BP are British and Dutch companies.  
Come on Chavez has reduced poverty, provided free health care to everyone, built schools and hospitals (more than two hundred and fifty hospitals and clinics and traded surplus oil for highly trained, doctors from Cuba, apprx. 20,000, not a bad deal for the Venezuelans, and now he wants to reduce the work week to thirty hours, and he make the foreign oil companies pay taxes.  It does not take rocket science know why he keeps on getting reelected.
Chavez will win because he is a dictator in control of the ballot boxes.  And he has already set the stage for massive vote fraud with his threat to cut off oil exports if anyone complains about fraud.  Expect a statee of emergency to be declared as soon as the riots start after he wins.  And expect it to last at least several years until all opposition has been crushed or driven underground.
Ok, what is scarier, a dictator in the making who isn't crazy (Putin), or a dictator in the making who is completely nuts (Chavez)?
I hope the good people of Venezuels run Chavez out of the country. He needs to live in Cuba with his good friend or go to Iraq.

There are several "Hollywood Stars" that should go with him.
I am American, born of Argentine parents. Mr. Chavez is a disgrace and embarassament to all of Latin-America. At least 90% of us feel this way, including the people of Venezuela. He is arrogant, ignorant, and suffers delusions of grandeur. He should INDEED not do business with the US anymore, and someone needs to hold him accountable for his actions. I am not against socialism per se- I am against fascists, and he is Mussolini's reincarnation. I sure hope Venezuelans rids themselves of this bloodsucker.
He is one sick person,so afraid he will lose he threatens people.The people need to stand up against him,period!!
Why doesn't somebody make that guy go away. He is just a loud mouth baffone like Castro and Almadinajad.
Its hard to believe people would vote themselfs into slavery
Cut off the oil purchases from Venezuela, seize their USA assets to reimburse people and companies for their losses resulting from Chavez's annexations, and isolate them financially. Allow the people of Venezuela learn the errors in their judgement, just like all should. We do NOT need their oil. Let the countries leveraging/blackmailing the USA with their oil pay a heavy pric in the future once the USA changes their infrasctructure to non-petroleum based energy. LET US NEVER FORGET THESE DEEDS. The pendulum WILL swing back and WE will repay our enemies in kind.
The US needs to deploy one bold soldier to 'handle it', despite our circa-1960's law prohibiting it.
Unfortunately, none of this really matters.  If Chavez wins, he will ultimately run the country into the ground, which is extremely unfortunate for the Venezualans, and they will be poor and illiterate.  Why can't the rest of Latin America see the Costa Rican model - no military, highest literacy rate in the world, quality medical care and a great economy!
Someone should just take Mr. Chavez, out.  I mean that literally.  He is dishonest, fat, and he doesn't care about his people.  In fact he can keep his dam oil we don't need it.  I wish the US would just refuse to buy anymore of his oil.  I wish every country would refuse to by oil from Venezuela until he steps down.  I wish the United Nations would form a blockade and not let any products in or out of Venezuela until he is rmoved.
Chavez has established a crony captalism under the guise of socialism.  he stays in power through the creation of a new nomenklature that feeds off the oil wealth.  What is scary is that he doesn't even recognize the parasitical economic system he has created.  When the price of oil goes down, he will not be able to buy his support, then he will have a choice, put the revolution on hold, cut the goodies he is handing out, or rely on increasingly coercive measures to stay in power.  Begore this he will print as much much money as Mugabe in Zimbawe and hyper-inflation will be added to Venezula's woes.  This ends badly for Venezula.
Enough has said about Chavez's negative charectersticks, at least he is winning by the people's vote, not by the court's decesion. Sick and tired of someone giving every country a lesson of democracy while he isnt following that. Why cant we mind on our own business and let Venezuela people decide what want to do with their country(unless we want to expand our empire and inclue venezuela to that.)
Democracy must begin with reducing the gap between the rich and the poor as Chavez is doing. When the masses are fed and educated, they will have the luxury of being more socially and politically minded. The people can then overthrow Chavez if they want,regardless of any constitutional changes. For now lets just stop the bleeding and suffering of the poor majority.
Chavez is the result of the Venezulean Oligarchy ignoring the poor. Let this be a warning that in a democracy the middle must govern or a left nut fruitcake will take over!
Viva Chavez. He's been the only South American leader to stand firm to American hegemony in the region. I find it amusing all those pro-democracy US citizens above who write above about how Chavez should be dealt with, preferably written off.

Americans should keepin mind ALL Chavez elections have been clearer and cleaner than G.W Bush first "election" and possibly the "Diebold Machines" Bush "reelection" too.


America ought to first clean up house (your corrupt Congress and your Big Business wholly-owned White House) before speaking about Latin American politics. Thanks in advance.  
As an American citizen living and owning businesses in South America for many years. I was impressed by the level of control Mr. Chavez has in Venezuela. He knows who votes for him and who does not via his inteligence service ran by the Cubans. Yes he has Cuban Doctors in Venezuela, but he has as many Cuban Intelligence Operatives also protecting him and collecting domestic intelligence on the Venezuelan population. Venezuela may want rid of him, but they cannot do it alone now as he has total control.

It is pathetic that the United States of America, the Congress,the Bush Administration and more so the American public value gasoline more than civil liberties. If the USA stopped Venezuelan oil imports in 6 months Chavez would be no more. To bad the USA has lost its intestinal fortitud for the good fight versus our daily dependence on Venezuelan oil imports and the misery those Petrodollars cause in Venezuela.
Venezuela will eventually be overrun with people who expect freebies. Those freebies will run out when the oil runs out and they will eventually be in the same position they were before. the best they could with the resources they have now is to educate the people. The real wealth is from knowledge and skills.
Unfortunately, Chavez's powerbase appears to be the poor of Venezuela who he is buying off with oil profits. What they don't understand is that his "reforms" to help the poor depend on a high price for oil. Oil goes up, then it goes down. New sources of oil are found, new sources of energy are developed, and more efficient ways of using energy are invented or improved.

His Bolivar revolution is built on a deck of cards (making Venezuela isolated, becoming dependent on selling a single resource: oil), and once the price of oil drops, which can be next year, or in a few years, he won't be able to pay for his reforms, he'll try to blame the whole thing on some other country (probably the US), but in the end, they'll be asking for his head on a platter.

Unfortunately, as long as the poor of latin american keep getting the shaft, there will be other chavez's who will rise to power.
WAKE UP AMERICA, BOYCOTT CITGO GASOLINE.  Chavez is Castro's evil twin and an Enemy of America. WAKE UP! The Barbarians are only 90 miles Away. American by choice not by accident.
Everyone in this discussion sees the world in either "black" or "white" - meaning that it is either 'this way' or 'that way' and there is absolutely no middleground - "gray".  It is too sad.  Everyone has become "polarized" rather than see that there just might, maybe....be a middle of the road position.
I wish the people of venezuela could remember several Communist leaders and the horrible ends of their empires. Because it all looks nice in the beggining but ends in disaster.
It is my opinion that all the diatribe about Chavez and Venezuela is much a do about nothing. History will be the final arbiter of Chavez's rule over Venezuela. Juan Peron of Argentina and Generalissimo Franco of Spain were as bad as they come, yet to some of their people they are considered potential candidates for sainthood. So I say to everyone, chill out and don't worry be happy.
Venezuela had other leaders before Chavez whom everyone will agree were lousy. The economy was in shambles and Venezuelans were drowning in debt as a result of their incompetence and downright corrupt leadership. I invite anyone from the Chavez opposition camp to provide evidence that this is the same for Chavez's government. The guy may be strange and or unusual, hey, like my old man use to say, He is taking care of business.
No matter what, as a citizen of Venezuela, I urge all my compatriots to unite and stand by our President Hugo Chavez. He is all we've got and he is doing the best he can. I will admit, he ain't no Einstein, s
o is George Bush.
Americans need to wake up  It is a new day, and we are  no longer in a position to take the moral high ground.  The ignorance and arrogance that some of you display in your blogs is truely amazing.  It is precisely what has gotten us in this current mess in the first place.  If you all held our politicians to the standards in which you want to hold chavez, putin..ect,  america would be a wonderful place.  All we have is this us aginst them mentality, as if it were some saturday night football game.  The thing is, it's not!  Venezuela is not the only country leveraging us.  Take a look at china and see how much they're working in favor of our best intrest.  Take a look at Saudi arabia and their human rights record.  By the way these countries are considered to be friends of ours and just because they don't openly spout anti US rhetoric like Hugo or machmoud doesn't mean they dont have an agenda.  As far as not using chevron well then I suggest  taken a closer look at exxon mobile as well as shell wich is very much to blaim for the deaths of innocent africans.  Wake up people our leaders sold us out a long time ago.  If you all think America will or can wean itself off of oil anytime soon you're delusional.  Not in uor lifetime.  And for all you religous finatics I wonder why god put all that oil underneath all that sand? Maybe, it was just to spite us, maybe it was to check our arrogance.
Venezuela had other leaders before Chavez whom everyone will agree were lousy. The economy was in shambles and Venezuelans were drowning in debt as a result of their incompetence and downright corrupt leadership. I invite anyone from the Chavez opposition camp to provide evidence that this is the same for Chavez's government. The guy may be strange and or unusual, hey, like my old man use to say, He is taking care of business.
Americans need to wake up  It is a new day, and we are  no longer in a position to take the moral high ground.  The ignorance and arrogance that some of you display in your blogs is truely amazing.  It is precisely what has gotten us in this current mess in the first place.  If you all held our politicians to the standards in which you want to hold chavez, putin..ect,  america would be a wonderful place.  All we have is this us aginst them mentality, as if it were some saturday night football game.  The thing is, it's not!  Venezuela is not the only country leveraging us.  Take a look at china and see how much they're working in favor of our best intrest.  Take a look at Saudi arabia and their human rights record.  By the way these countries are considered to be friends of ours and just because they don't openly spout anti US rhetoric like Hugo or machmoud doesn't mean they dont have an agenda.  As far as not using chevron well then I suggest  taken a closer look at exxon mobile as well as shell wich is very much to blaim for the deaths of innocent africans.  Wake up people our leaders sold us out a long time ago.  If you all think America will or can wean itself off of oil anytime soon you're delusional.  Not in uor lifetime.  And for all you religous finatics I wonder why god put all that oil underneath all that sand? Maybe, it was just to spite us, maybe it was to check our arrogance.
The vote will be fixed so that Chavez will win. Like in all totalitarian governments, elections are for show and mostly to the benefit of the moronic liberal western journalists. He is a megalomaniac dictator in every sense. He would like to claim like all the dictators before him that the people want him as dictator.  
In Venezuela, where 80% of the land has been owned by 5% of the population, the (white) oligarchy [I'm white which is why I specifically note race here] is being disposed under Hugo Chavez's new socialism/re-distribution as squatters transition to take the land [The New York Times; 5/17/2007 http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/17/world/americas/17venezuela.html?ex=1337054400&en=e0b99dcd2].

A disproportionate land ownership within a democracy spanning four centuries.

Chavez offered affordable oil to Alaska Native villages while the Anchorage Daily News continues coverage re; investigations of Alaska politicians oil corruption (see my site for links: www.xanga.com/azorka or search Anchorage Daily News--Ted Stevens, Kott, et al.)...

I am Venezuelan by birthright not by blood.  I was raised in Venezuela and although not having lived there for 30 plus years still consider myself to be Venezuelan. I disliked the American arrogant influence, attitudes and exploitation of our nations's resources, taking the wealth for themselves and a small percentage of Venezuelans and those in power.  Worse, I disliked corruption and the fraud that I was exposed to day to day in Vzla even more.   Chavez, I believed brought a new message, a new  direction and with it hope for social change that would truly benefit our people. After a few years in power, it didn't take long to see the masquerade.  He exploits the ignorance in the poor, yes he may have enhanced their lives a bit AT THE MOMENT, but not taught them skills, trades, education that will lead to the higher education that will diminish their poverty. This is will diminish Venezuela's need to import assistance in petrochemical engineering, engineering, utilities, doctors from Cuba, aid from China. We are not growing our own resources of our People by teaching them, what will happen in the next generation? 20 years? Will our oil export contracts diminish because of the need to be "green", can their lives improve?, Can they work a 6 hour work day and be paid for 8?  Can the government sustain it? How can we have forgotten how bad the inflation was/is and the need to change the valuation of currency?  How can we forget the long lines for Harina Pan?  Cuban Doctors are well educated, have Cuba  open another medical school here and graduate studies besides the UCV and draw incentive programs to keep our citizens in Venezuela to be educated or is it that Chavez's improvements to education have not inspired/allowed Venezuelan children to continue on (didn't he put and end to the becca program?)... If he stays on because people voted YES vs NO, then remember the voters will be the ones to accept that personal responsibility, forever wondering if it was an honest vote and hope that our children will have been educated and allowed advancement on their merit.  
Once a dictator always a dictator, using any other title is optional.  If Chavez was smart he would let THE people become educated and move the country into the 21st century with a great chance for success.....I'm afraid he's 'leading' the people down that lonely road to poverty and ignorance..with him it will be a swift journey.
Mercy be with the people.
A quick death to Chavez would be beneficial to their cause too.
IF arrogance was terminal disease he'd be dead right now. Of course, if there was any true justice he'd drown in oil, literally.
They all want to be Dictators--Chavez, Putin and Bush
BEWARE
Can someone please come up with a spellchecker for bloggers and their comments?
Most people writing in here regarding this constitutional vote have never had the experience of living in a dictatorship. Chavez is uneducated, is a known wife abuser(now divorced) and a total nut case! It amazes me that so many educated non Venezuelans fall for this. This election will be rigged, Chavez will say all that the uneducated want to hear and Venezuela will become even more of a mess. Time will tell, but he is fake and his ideas are doomed-you do not take away the right of people to be free, work, be educated and not be forced out of their lovely country. He is following Castro's early model to discourage the educated from staying in their country.
King Juan Carlos of Spain said it best to Chavez: "Why don't you just shut up!"
I feel sorry for Venezuelans and their future under this lunatic.
Venezuela is a beautiful country with many great natural resources.  Our people are wonderful, warm and caring.  We’ve just had the misfortune of having horrible leaders, one after another; these men are some of the wealthiest men in the world.  They’ve had access to Venezuela’s vast oil monies for decades. They assign their cronies to all of the major positions in the government and suck out as much as they can, then leave and the cycle begins again. While in power, they become radical megalomaniacs with delusions of grandeur.  Chavez has been one of the worst.  I’m sure Simón Bolívar is “rolling in his grave”!  God help Venezuela and all its good people.

I love America. I make no apologies. I think we are doing well in Iraq, our casualties are light compared to WWII. The people of Iraq have suffered much more than us.
Those of you who hate Bush more than UBL can go to hell. (No one criticizes UBL, just Bush.) Equating water boarding to SS torture is also ridiculous. UBL has vowed to kill 10 million Americans and many of you resent our efforts to defend ourselves, you can go to hell too. Commie Chavez too.
Anyhow, Commies, tell all your friends not to come to America, since your countries are so much better, but don't pretend the war on terror is not real or think you will be safe if we fail. You are just next.


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