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A vote of ‘Si' or ‘No’ in Venezuela 

Posted: Friday, November 30, 2007 12:08 PM
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CARACAS, Venezuela – Sunday could be a turning point for this country's future. Venezuela’s 16 million voters will decide if they want to change their constitution in a major referendum.

Among the 69 proposed changes to the country’s 1999 constitution is one critical issue: can presidential term limits be eliminated? If so, President Hugo Chavez could be re-elected president every seven years for the rest of his life.

Some here, and some in the U.S. State Department, fear that type of power could effectively give Chavez not only the "president for life" title, but it could allow him to establish a totalitarian rule similar to what Fidel Castro and his brother have done in Cuba.

The president’s supporters say they want Chavez to remain because he has done what no other leader here ever has attempted – shared the oil wealth with the poorest people. 

 

VIDEO: Venezuela votes on referendum

Either for or against change
But the method of the referendum and the ballot itself is not what you would expect in the United States.

The reforms are grouped into two blocks. Voters choose "yes" to all of the reforms or "no" to them in one block.

The actual ballots do not have any explanation of what exactly people are voting for or against.

In a U.S. election, the language on a ballot is written out -- and while the language is often confusing because it's crafted by lawyers, it is there for voters to read, re-read, and re-read again.

Also, in the United States, you can vote on each amendment.  

Here it is more about aligning with movements rather than the details of the specific reforms.

The two sides here are Red or Blue. Red is pro-change. Blue says "no to the reform."

Perhaps it is a politically astute move, or maybe just happen-stance, but the presidential term limits issue is in the same block as a change in the work day – from eight hours to six hours a day for the same pay. Some of the other reforms include creating forms of communal property and increasing social security benefits for the poor.

In the end, those social reforms might be what will push through the referendum.

Class division
One factor you can't help but notice: the Blue party backers are mostly of European descent while the Red party is dominated by those with indigenous blood lines.

They also are separated by wealth.

The Blue party supporters have long held the wealth here. The Red party is mostly comprised of those who have endured generations of poverty.

The polls open Sunday morning.

It's expected the tally will be announced sometime late Sunday.

Will violence follow?

Both the Red and the Blue parties are not predicting violence, but everyone says they're prepared.

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President Chavez  had the opportunity to become the savior of the N & S American Contenent,  but has become moronic as the President of Uran. < spelled right..
He is a dictator. He is using his power, like most people in power, to gain wealth. He is nothing more than a thug. He stands there and chants his poop from his mouth that his country hates the US yet look at our baseball teams and see how many of them are from there and how much money is being sent back there to support him. He should shut up and just get on with life. The US doesn't want to invade him any more than it wants to invade California. Why? He has no idas what Democracy is as does the rest of the countries south of the US border. He has oil, we need, and is using that against us. Why don't we just go to International boundries of the Gulf and if there is oil there, drill it and bring it home? Do what we can to cut him off. We don't need military to do take him down. Also, we need to cut China out of the picture for him as well. He is getting a weapons factory from Russia and workers from Iran. Maybe he might want to rethink that. Most of South America is Christian and Iran is Muslim. They don't like non-muslim people and it will create a problem there. I gurantee it. Iran is just using them to get on to the US. Agrivate us and see what is done.
If we want to hurt countries like this then why not send their people that are here, as 'guest workers' back there and let them deal with it? Then they would have less money.
All the signs of a demented tyrant, just like his mentor, Fidel
Did we get to view the provisions of the Patriot   Act before it was ratified? Let's worry about securing democracy in out own country before we try meddling with   another oil rich nation.
I lived in Venezuela for a couple of years in the early 80's and found the Venezuelan people to be very warm and engaging.  Obviously I am viewing these current events from a distance and through the lense of our own National Media, but if Chavez is maneuvering to create a position of power for himself, it will be very difficult for the people to go back once the laws and his base of support is in place.  If he is successful tomorrow, there will be more serious changes to come. If the Venezuelan people choose to turn back the clock at some point, it will require a revolution. I understand that Chavez is anti-US and that has been the popular thing to be for some time now.  I, for one, am proud to be a US Citizen, and still there is a part of me that cares about what happens to those wonderful people in Venezuela.  I wish them the best of luck.
Its sad when people fall into this kind of "trap"... How many revolutionary dictators started out saying they were going to help the people....looking back how many can we say actually did help?!
How can it ever be a fair vote if he has the power to control and vote for himself using names and id# of Venezuelans that have never been register to vote nor have been in Venezuela in the last 17 years like me or even count votes in his favor of Venezuelans than have been dead for more than 5 years like my gradparents and other people i know. No matter what he is in control and has the power to winn even if he doesnt.
Hugo Chavez, has a dream - and dreams somtimes fall
short of reallity.  I do not believe Chavez, can stay
in office for long.  Spain is tired of him, Columbia,
is tired of him, USA, is tired of him and Venezuela
voters are not going for the old dictator trap.  The red party will survive, the blue party knows they can
take the reign and put the oil economy to work for all
citizens not just who Hugo says - I'll take care of my
supporters.  In fact he doesn't really take care of
therm.  2-Billion dollars worth of defense?  For what
just to buy the military?  The real answer is do not to over promise and under produce.  It is to produce and under promise.  
You are correct in noting that the Blue party backers are mostly of European descent. Many Europeans arrived in Venezuela, penniless but eager to forge a better living. They left Europe due to either persecution, dictatorship or communism. Do you blame them for defending what is left of Democracy in Venezuela?  My parents and I worked very hard while living in Venezuela. Being poor was no obstacle in our pursuit to achieve a middle class status. Do you blame us for resenting the expropriations of our hard-earned properties? Many of our relatives, myself included had to leave, foreseeing that the current leadership would probably turn into the same type of government we escaped from.  On the other hand, we also have middle class friends, of mixed descent, who at first, like many other people, believed that Chavez would really be the answer. Nowadays, few of our friends still follow him. The Red party also has wealthy backers, who have amassed fortunes during the last decade, through questionable means. Class division is merely part of the problem in Venezuela. Chavez has also succeeded in introducing racial hatred, which is rather ironic, considering that his ex-wife is of European descent...
I have just recently returned from an eight month stay in Venezuela.  I can honestly say that the political process in that country is extremely corrupt.
 Chavez imports his voters from the lowest slums of Caracas and surrounding cities.  He pays them in food and beer and uses them to flesh out the crowds at his red party rallies. The people who agree to this make a pittance in wage and are barely able to support their families.  Chavez preys on their poverty in order to keep himself in office.
 During the 2004 referendum, Chavez recorded the names and information of everyone who voted against him.  Using this information, he systematically fired dissidents from all government run positions.  These positions included engineers in oil companies, electric companies, state office officials, etc.  Many of the taxi drivers in the cities are ex-petroleum engineers who have been black listed and are unable to secure positions because of their vote. He also promised people jobs if they would convert to the red party and work to convince their friends and families to do same.  What could people do?  In most cases, the need for food on the table was greater than the need to uphold political beliefs.
 The major, government-run oil company, PDVSA, mandates that its employees partictipate in all red party rallies.  It takes roll at these events and fires those who refuse.  In the 2006 presidential election, PDVSA quit developing oil fields 3 months in advance of elections and used its company resources and employees to work on the Chavez campaign, regardless of their political leanings.  All employees were required to participate in order to retain their jobs.  Employees were also required to vote for Chavez.  It is through these methods that Chavez is still in office.
   Those who are brave enough to remian blue party members are closely watched by the Chavez administration.  Any effort on the part of these people to secure visas, business licenses, and jobs is thwarted by the pro-Chavez government..
   Finally, in January, Chavez evicted any nay-sayers that still existed in parliament.  He has padded his seat with supporters that are merely following this somewhat psychotic leader in an effort to line their own pockets.
 The blue party may win the vote against Chavez despite his trickery in the placement of the work day referendum etc.  But we will never hear of the real tallies.  Chavez will ensure that the red party is successful even if they only receive a single vote.  He will simply take over as he has done before.  Hugo Chavez preys on the weaknesses of his people. He is re-elected time and again through fear and corruption. I pity my friends that I have left behind in Venezuela.  Their hands are tied and, until someone rids the country of this corrupt and evil political leader, Venezuelans will have to watch their beloved country fall rapidly in chaos and ruin.
I find it difficult to imagine the furror over the Change of the constitution Of Venezuela to drop the time limits of the # of terms a President can run for election. I'm sure if the USA enjoyed Chavez as leader, there would be little said. Many countries do not limit the # of terms of office..Canada,Mexico,Great Britain, France to name a few, that area Demaucracies. Like usuall the USA is minding somebody elses business..
chaves just want to be the king , just like castro, he is going to ruin another country just like fildel did.socialism and communism dont work no future just like in cuba.
Elijah, In case you haven't noticed, the United States is a Representative Democracy. We elect people to look over and approve law changes such as the Patriot Act. It was passed by our elected reps & Senators. It was renewed for 6 additional months by a majority Democrat Congress. I would assume that your lack of basic knowledge of the political system of our country is the result of at least 12 years of barren public school education. It is no surprise that you equate the U.S. with another run of the mill tin horn dictator such as Chavez. Try reading about thugs like Chavez from the last half of the 20th Century. Stalin, Mao, Castro, etc. They chalked up a combined total of 100 plus million people slaughtered mostly because they didn't agree with these dictators.
Given the opportunity, odds are that Chavez will end up just like the communist killers from the 20th Century. Dictators are a separate species, they all eventually behave in the same manner; usurpation of all power, suppression of dissent, persecution of rivals and eventually elimination of all resistance to their continued power by violence. Keep an eye on your boy Ceasar he won't disappoint!!
his own people will take this power crazed nut out.
It will be interesting to see what happens with the vote this Sunday.  But, I have a strong feeling that no matter how the vote goes Chavez will make sure he stays in charge, by the ballot box or by force.
He rules by fear, and he not only wants to be preseident of Venezuela, but of all of S. America.
His two puppets in Bolivia and Ecuador are just like him.  I fell sorry for the people who live under these conditions.
Nothing will change, the poor will stay poor and Chavez will line his pockets with money for him and his entitled few.
GET OUT WHILE YOU STILL CAN!!
Considering the U.S. history of adventurism and exploitation in Central and South America it is no surprise we aren't loved down there.  Castro and Chavez are in power and have been because the citizxens elect them.
JOE dont be close mind u said that we dont know what democracy is, let me tel u what we do know what that is but is sorry to said but is the true 70% of our poblation is poor so he give 100 dollars a month to those and they love him they wont care just for the fact that he is putting food on their table im from there and it hurts to see whats going on there but is nothing i can do thats why i flea long time ago so dont be close mind and by the way the mayor reserve of oil in the world is right here on your country U.S.A
I really think human freedom will prevail. However, first the people have to believe in what thay can do to change things. If Chavez get his way the people will lose their ability to think for themselves. So I hope they will use the power they have now to set a future best for them.
Beware of opinion generated by oil corporate types who paint Hugo as a threat to their hegemony. Indigenous people poise themselves at the eve of the new 500 year cycle and Hugo want to be there for the new reality of people taking back their rightful power in their own lands and out of the Euro-american corporate handa. I look forward to the strugglel.
It wiould  be the most terrible thing thah could happen to South America, if Chavez should get the victory to keep the power. Power that he will use only to destroy the democratic govertments that S America has.
It wiould  be the most terrible thing thah could happen to South America, if Chavez should get the victory to keep the power. Power that he will use only to destroy the democratic govertments that S America has.
Aryn from Anchorage, Alaska--criticizing Chavez--evades how Chavez offered to help Alaska Native villages with affordable oil for heating their homes. Has Aryn read the Anchorage Daily News lately, and all the Alaska politicians under investigation for oil corruption? See links and more detail at my site: www.xanga.com/azorka (or search Anchorage Daily News for Ted Stevens, et al.).
Elijah:
You may not have viewed the provisions in the Patriot Act, but your representatives in congress had that opportunity.  That is what a representative democracy does.  And where in the article does it mention that we are meddling with the election?
Anyway, this is a classic move of a totalitarian: Bribe to win the hearts of the masses (share of oil profits/"communal property"/shortened work-day with same pay) all the while tricking them into giving you full power.  
How many children has Chavez killed by direct orders to his army? ZERO. How many has Bush killed? THOUSANDS. The United States is the greatest threat to PEACE on this earth. All you haters do yourself a favor and get your own country in order before you criticize someone elses.
You all talk like if these people really have any choice to do anything.. No matter what Chavez is going to get what he wants, cause he runs the country....


No one will have a real choice in the end...
the guy gets on my nerves he is just onother fidel dont the venezuelans get it.
Mr. Brown - not all of the countries you listed have unlimited terms.  I did not see any country meddling in this article and view it as the opinion of an independent writer.  Some view opinions as  meddling and look at what is happening in Sudan with no response from the world.  What a tragedy and with no one to step up and do something about it.  We here of the horrific things that are happening to the Venezuelen people, but yet when do we react?  Do we wait until hundreds of lives have to be lost.
Chavez is much less dangerous than Bush and Cheney and more democratic.  Poor people there have a better chance of a leg up than they do here.  Many of the above commentators are either badly deceived or full of it.
Hugo Chavez is an uncivilized poor excuse of human skin that deserves to be ousted, tried for treason and publicly executed. What as joke he is. He's not worth the air spent talking about him. May he fade from the world.
I'm sick of you who continue to blaim the US for every trouble in the world or for not minding our own business.  Here we have another little Hitler in the making.  Over the next decade he will turn all of South America into a personel hell.  If it were not impossible to do so, I would vote for the US to close it borders and let the rest of you rot.  We have the intelligence to rid ourselves of our oil dependency and the sooner the better we'll be for doing so. We can also feed ourselves many times over while the rest of the world starves.  Chavez, Castro, the Imams and Mullahs can all go to hell with you.
Why is it when someone tries to help the poorer people he is terribly critized? He is investing his oil profits in the people of Venezuela. He has imported doctors, dentist, built schools and Universities for the average Venezuelan. Even his worst critics in Venezuela do not accuse him of enriching himself. The press in this country is controlled by wealthy individuals, who cannot see wasting oil profits on the indigent peoples. Chavez appears to be a true christian. It is time that all the people of Venezuela benefit from the natural resources of their country. Exxon Mobil will live paying a little more to drill in Venezuela.
Tony Brown North Vancouver, BC. Canada, you are the tipical moronic person that blames th U.S.A for everything that happens in the world. Did you even bother reading any of the articles. Their own people, Venezuelans themselves do not want this idiot Chavez to have control. Hugo wants to become a Dictator. Venezuelans do not want him to.
Why would someone feel sorry for people whoa are finally getting a share of their countries natural resources?
Tony Brown North Vancouver, BC. Canada obviously went to the same school that Elijah went to.  Both lecture the USA about democracy when neither of them have any idea what they are talking about.
Why is it when someone tries to help the poorer people he is terribly critized? He is investing his oil profits in the people of Venezuela. He has imported doctors, dentist, built schools and Universities for the average Venezuelan. Even his worst critics in Venezuela do not accuse him of enriching himself. The press in this country is controlled by wealthy individuals, who cannot see wasting oil profits on the indigent peoples. Chavez appears to be a true christian. It is time that all the people of Venezuela benefit from the natural resources of their country. Exxon Mobil will live paying a little more to drill in Venezuela.
    It's a given that Chavez is an absolute idiot.  Having said that, what are we to think of the Venezuelan people if they vote that power hungry miscreant back in office?  Seriously!  Think about it... As much as I feel for the Venezuelan people having to live under the dictatorship of weak, whining attention seeker, we have to hope that the Venezuelan people will take matters into their own hands.  Get to the polls and VOTE CHAVEZ OUT.  If this doesn't work, assassinate the little troll.
Tony Brown,
Spoken like a true Socialist. Read Aryn's post to get a feel of what is going on and if you think that is what is going on in the counties you just named. Well maybe Mexico. Chavez is a dirty as they come.
To John Edwards, Peru:

    Kinda sounds like GWB, don'tcha think? I can't wait to see what trumped-up reason GWB will have to execute his "decree" and delay/eliminate elections next year.

    Birds of a feather.......
As a wealthy Venezuelan coming from blue collar beginnings, I can say that Chavez has already broken every promise he made. Tony Brown: In the countries you mention there's a clear division of powers. Not here. Also, the government pays the equivalent of $100 for going to the rallies to the poor fellows who don't have an alternative ($100 oil barrels go a long way toward maintaining him in power!). The people who work for the government MUST go to those rallies or they lose their jobs. Finding a passport for your children means bribing public functionaries or you don't get it. After 40 years of democracy we're being taken to be another Cuba, and if the "Si" wins, we'll be one step closer to that lofty goal.

To the people who wrote thinking that other countries care, think again. Carter foundation was here during the referendum to revoke him from power, and in spite of the many irregularities, nothing was even said. For Sunday's elections no international observers are invited (guess why!) They want to close the only independent TV news station (and they will if they win on Sunday)

The change is coming from within. Many of Chavez followers are voting No, but with an electoral institution completely controlled by the government, that probably won't matter either.

The sad part is that some poor people still believe in him, but those are the ones who don't have the option to leave if things come to worse.
To the insulting gentle-being above -- Mr Whelton --

I suggest that rather than insulting other people for their views, you take some time to do some research -- you can start with Naomi Wolf's new book "The End of America:  Letter of Warning to a Young Patriot."  Its on several bestseller's lists and its flying off the shelves.  

There is no sacred canopy covering representative democracies -- a number have become fascist or absolute states in the last hundred years -- open societies changed to closed -- through clever political maneuvering and manipulation of the press and major media.  We are just as much in danger now as others have been in the past -- and while I sincerely hope we manage to resist, we too may fall.

Oh, I forget -- that's all factual material -- I'm sorry, it is true, as Stephen Colbert says, that facts have an uncomfortably liberal bias.

Regards
If only the citizens of our great nation knew how many democratically elected rulers we have overthrown and innocent people slaughtered in the name of the US. Such a shame that the people are so uninformed that they believe their government, no matter what, ESPECIALLY the current Fascists in power. Maybe some of you pseudo-patriots aren't aware, but the US has tried, on numerous occasions, to overthrow Chavez. Chavez doesn't hate the US, just the current murderous, corrupt, incompetent administration. Witness Hurricane Katrina. Didn't that bad, evil Chavez send millions of barrels of oil to help the victims, while president moron fiddled? Please get your facts straight before you sound off.
I was in Venezuela during the 2004 revolution.  Chavez is corrupt:  he obtained and maintains his power through corrupt means.  The first time he came into power was by force, the following election was a sham (since it was done after he was already in power), the "coup" against him was a set up.  He is friends and models his actions after Fidel Castro:  what more evidence is needed to show this man is corrupt and power hungry?  He maintains his power by exploiting the week, like all dictators do.  I don't understand or see all that goes on, but what is visible seems to point to the same conclusion:  Hugo Chavez is bad news.  
I too loved my experience in Venezuala, especially my time getting to know some of the people.  It hurts to think they are being subjected to this mans evil plans.
Tony from Canada is very wrong; Mexico does not have unlimited terms in office, they clearly deliniate their terms with "..no re-eleccion" for the president's office.
With regards to the hostage situation in Colombia. President Chavez is equivelent to a 5 year old boy playing in a sandbox, when he doesn't get his away he takes his toys and has a tantrum. The King of Spain said something many people would like to say to Chavez: "why don't you shut-up".
Hello Chavez is a maniac. Why is it that Venezuela has
never been able to stabilize? The military never supports democracy and socialists never pave the streets with gold, the right wing is too busy attempting to imitate superpowers.  People there need to unify and to set their priorities. I hope Chavez is voted out.
Damned if you do - damned if you don't. No matter the form of government, be it a Republic (USA), Democracy, Socialism, Fascism, Corporatism OR Communism -to mention a few- ALL fail.
Humanity is fatally flawed.
No-one of course improves with guaranteed unlimited power in the long run. Yet there are reasons for which Hugo Chaves deserves a "Si", perhaps more than many other men. Since after  the days of Bolivar, he is perhaps one of the first who can be truly stated to be "Un Presidente de Pueblo", "A President of the People" something which should make ALL Venezuelans feel truly proud that finally they have vindicated the intrinsic justice and nobility of the Venezuelan nation, in conceding his place to an outstanding man from the original people of Venezuela, who has genuinely and uniquely sought to share Venzuela's oil wealth with each and every one of its many sons and daughters. It will be a symbol of the triumph of reason, dignity and humanity over tragic shadows that lie in the past and of the attainment of political maturity of a distinguished people of the South Americas, if whether or not this referendum might err in its ultimate conclusion, that this will be addressed via non-coercive, mutually respectful and honourable political interplay with the ultimate goal of serving and mirroring in as far as possible the sovereign will of the people of Venezuela, and that in such a context no error need yet be the final word. Hugo Chavez is moreover one of the galaxy of truly South American people's presidents allowed to arise after the easing of tensions and tacit conflict which during the past twentieth century victimized the nations of this great continent. So the USA does not score top on popularity ranking - right? Well, maybe that could have been different had the USA really early on and in time in addition to the caring and devoted members of Point Four, invested more in effectively raising the standard of living of South Americans at large to levels which ensure human survival,health, and at least minimum comfort, instead of a close to exclusive concentration on economic and geopolitical goals, which will have facilitated the creation of an exploitatory image. Moreover as by and large Christian, US people might occasionally take the attitude that it is not a compulsory obligation to view all nearer or further neighbours as some formof extensions - after all it does say in one of the Ten Commandments "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour' s house, nor his wife, nor his servants, nor his oxen, nor his donkeys, nor anything else that is of thy neighbour." And even speaking in the voice of pragmatism, sincere mutual respect, care, and confidence can work wonders which no maneouvers or coercions ever can. Vide: Europe and power games -  1903 - 1945, World War I and World War II, just for example - and the comparative mutual tolerance of much of today's Europe. As to El Comandante, Fidel Castro, he in his turn is not exactly the USA's top-ranking popularity star, but perhaps if one restricts oneself to an objective statistical analysis he did bring about a palpable improvement in living standards and law and order for the Cuban nation as a whole, as compared to Baptista who no-one can deny was anything but transparent in his economic affairs - specially as today internationally lip-service must be paid to respect for all States and the well-being of all Humanity. Moreover, vis-a-vis individuals Cuba may yet live up to standards brazenly ignored by other States. Objectivity must remain our golden rule, and "Si" to Hugo Chavez may serve his people better than a "No" - theirs must be the choice, a viable known stability always is advantageous.  Inez Deborah Emilia Altar
I lived in Venezuela for three years during the 90's, prior to Chavez.  I remember well the distinct separation of the rich from the poor.  Under this "democracy", the prices of basic foods rose so quickly that the paycheck had to be spent immediately when you recieved it because it would only buy half as much food at the end of the week.  This is the beautiful world that the poor lived through under the democratically elected Carlos Andres Perez.  If my memory serves me correctly, inflation of this sort is what helped fuel the rise of Nazism.  

The vast majority of the the Venezuelans did not benefit in much at all from their previously elected presidents.  Why do you think that Chavez has the support that he does?    Because democracy and capitalism did not bring benefits to 90% of the people.  The poor reached for something they hoped would be better.  Even my rich friends lamented that the best years in Venezuela were under a military dictatorship - that is when they said all the highways were constructed and great public works completed.  I certainly sympathize with the poor searching for a way out, even if it looks like Chavez.  To them, he is much better than what they had.

On a more positive note, the Venezuelans are the most wonderful, lovely, giving, kind, and fun-loving people.  I only wish them the best through this difficult time.
There is a storm coming and we had best get prepared.  Putin is working Russia back with him as its supreme ruler.  Putin backed Iran.  Iran backs Chevez.  And then there is China playing the same game with Japan that Japan played with the USA just prior to WWII.  A wait and see attitude is what put the USA on a recovery and war fast-track 65 years ago.


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