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To veil or not to veil?

Posted: Friday, November 16, 2007 1:50 PM
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"Take a look at the story on the BBC website about the terrible things happening to women in Basra. We’d be interested to see what you think," I was told during my morning shift. 

The report is full of brutal details about how some of the religious extremists in the southern Iraqi city of Basra are targeting women – threatening, intimidating and even murdering them – in an effort to enforce strict Islamic law.

What are the women’s crimes? Anything from wearing a shortish skirt, to not wearing a headscarf, to using make-up.

Forty-two women were killed in Basra between July and September of this year, according to the police chief.

"It’s terrible, but I’m not surprised."  I told my NBC colleagues. "I’ve heard of similar things happening in some of Baghdad’s neighborhoods."

Islamic law in Baghdad
In Basra, many have blamed the Iranian-influenced Shiite Mahdi Army for the violence. But in Baghdad neighborhoods like Dora and Ameria, it’s not the Shiite, but Sunni extremists who are influenced by al-Qaida, who have imposed Islamic law.

I know all too well because my aunt lives in Ameria and I actually went to see her for the first time in over 18 months when the security situation eased recently.

But despite the improved security situation, it was still a difficult journey to get to the neighborhood – the only way I could travel there safely was by wearing a veil and an Islamic gown on top of my normal clothes.

If I’d gone there dressed as usual -- wearing full make-up, a short sleeved shirt and trousers – it would have been tantamount to a death sentence. I also didn’t want to embarrass my aunt, who has to survive there by abiding by the local rules.

 It’s a risky business being an independent female here and many friends are shocked by my attitude.

To wear or not to wear?
As far as I can tell, women’s attitudes toward the veil can be divided into four categories:

--There are those like me who refuse to wear the veil. Like others, I am able to do that by avoiding dangerous, extremist areas.

--There are those who wear it because they like it and believe in it, usually for religious reasons.

--Others wear it because they are obliged to so by tradition and their male family members.

--Finally there are those like my aunt who are forced to wear veils because they are unlucky enough to live in an area controlled by extremists.

Personally, I could never do that. I will not change my life in order to appease militias.

But, then again, that’s easy for me to say because I’m one of the lucky ones. Inshallah (God willing) that will continue.

* The names of local journalists are not used to protect their identity.

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I don't understand, You guys toppled Secular Government of Saddam Hussien, to replace it with a Religious one, why are Americans complaining now? they have freedom to elect their own Government which they now have.
i dont like the situation either, but like they say.. when in rome, do as romans..
WHO EVER SAYS THAT "strict Islamic law" DOES NOT KNOW ISLAMIC LAW. I WOULD REQUEST THE AUTHORS THAT THEY DO NOT GET ISLAM IN TO PICTURE. AS ISLAM IS NOT RELIGEON BUT IT IS A "WAY OF LIVING".AND THERE ARE RULES SET UP BY THIS "WAY OF LIVING ".IT SAY THAT IF U KILL A PERSON YOU KILL THE HUMANITY AND A TRUE MUSLIM WILL NOT HURT ANY ONE.A MUSLIM IS ANSWERABLE TO HIS DEEDS
FROM SCRATCHING GROUND TO TOUCHING BROTHERS CLOTH.
SO THE POINT IS THOSE WHO TORTURE OR TORMENT LADIES DO NOT KNOW ISLAM AND ARE WORSHIPING THERE WILL.
AND FOR "VEIL" ISLAM CONSIDERS LADIES AS A PRECIOUS   JEMS WHICH HAVE TO BE PROTECTED FROM EVIL EYES.JUST LIKE JEMS WHICH YOU HAVE CANNOT BE SET TO DISPLAY FOR ANY ONE TO PICK IT UP AND RUN AWAY.
"Anger dwells only in the bosom of fools. "
Hmm, the Bush administration told us that this kind of thing was not going to happen on our watch.

Of course, we all know how much the word of this administration is worth, don't we?
Do you think a time will come when women can wear whatever they want instead of what men say they can wear?  Do you think the women of Iraq and other countries will be able to stand up and proclaim their independence?  Will there come a time when the whole world realizes that we are all just people, and no person has the right to dictate what other people wear, what language they speak, what god they believe in?  I hope I live to see that day.
I only wish that your model of freedom and independence is adopted by everyone, world wide.

If a woman should choose to wear the veil, she may, but for any group to force this is a terrible thing.
Don't know who the author is, but staying out of dangerous areas is okay to protect yourself, but are you not supposed to care for others?  Seems like you want it both ways.  
I think you should kiss the ground that the US soldiers are walking on, because that's the only reason you can appear without full coverage!
And now I have to ask "Where are all the women lib people now?". If the rest of you want to reach out to the people of this faith, have at it, but for me there isn't anything to discuss except maybe execution for those men. But you Left wing people are so interested in bringing down G. B. that you would sacrifice all the women in the  middle east just to get what you want.
From what I have heard orthodox Jewish women have to shave their heads and lots of other bad things. Why do not we invade Jewish neighborhoods throughout the USA and liberate them? After all look at your own garden before you criticise others.
Where are the women's lib groups now?
It is unforunate that a religon has such un-realistic, impractical, and out-dated rules that failing to follow those rules means inhumane treatment up to death. I'm lucky, I am an American.
I looked at the story concerning how the women of Basra are being targeted by the Sunni and Shiite extremists. It is just horrible the way the women are treated. I suppose if you want to survive when you leave your home the only way is to wear a veil. I admire your attitude of determining to be independent, but I can understand fully why you would still need to wear the veil and Islamic gown over your other clothes when you venture outside. If you can avoid the extremists areas than you are very fortunate. I hope you continue to be so fortunate. Peace to you and to all!    
I completely understand Muslim women wanting to wear veils for religious purposes, and I have no problems with this. However, I don't believe that they should be punished for not veiling-- the nice thing about God, Allah, Yaweh, Buddha or whatever incarnation you personally believe in is that he/she/they have given us free will for a reason. We are able to change, and to think for ourselves, and that's the beauty of life. I don't think that other people have rights to enforce "God's Law". People are fallible-- they make mistakes, mis-translate things and just generally aren't the most pure of God (etc.)'s creatures. If God, in whatever incarnation he/she/they does/do exist finds that this is wrong, then he/she/they will deal with it in some divine manner that doesn't involve mentally scarring children and women.

However, I believe that God has bigger things to deal with than whether or not I wear a bit of makeup.
I really think the era when religion dictates what people can and cannot say, wear or do should be brought to a close as soon as possible.

Just say no.
Why is it we always impose our own beliefs/values on other people? If they told us what to do, I'm sure we would react just as negatively. Worry about our backyard, not someone else's for once, would you?
It would seem that these extreemists are like those everywhere (US included).  They are cowards who pick on targets that cannot or will not fight back. Worse, they do it in the name or religion.  It is not religion to kill someone who does not comply with the strict interpretations of the religion, it is, to put it simply, cowardice at its murderous worst! The ones doing these deeds do not believe God is Great. They believe they are God.
I don't think women should be killed for breaking the Islamic law.  Imprison them for six months if they must, but no killing.  

You have to respect the Muslims for insisting the women dress modestly.  Can't get the men all worked up with lust, ya' know.  ;)  They save money by not buying clothes and make-up.

At least the women in the middle-east don't look like hose as women do in the U.S., e.g. Britney Spears wearing no panties and showing off her naked crotch.......eewwww!

"YES" I am not from that location;but I beleive that women should wear a veil for religious reasons.
The treatment of women is horrendous, but the people in Islamic Countries need to stand up and take control of their own lives. They cannot always expect the US and other countries to stand up for them. Women all over the world have fought for their rights at one time or another. In the Islamic countries that is not happening. They want the US and other countries to come in and 'fix' the problems for them. But that won't always work. The US has gone in and 'fixed' these problems in some of these countries in the past. The result is that the people go right back to delegating leadership roles to the same type of oppressive, dehumanizeing regiments, as always. These people need to stand up for themselves and take a stand, and then they need to reinenforce it over and over and over again instead of electing the same type of religious extremists into office again. As long as they allow the religious extremist to control them, the religious extremists will always control their country. The US can only come to their rescue so many times before they need to start rescuing themselves.
just think my dear sister in islam:

you didnt dress "as usual", for fear of the creation and not fear of The Creator, Allah. and again, you didnt dress "as usual", to prevent from shaming your aunt, but at the same time you have no shame in front of Allah. i ask you by Allah: how it this possible?

how is it possible for you to fear something that cannot harm you unless Allah allows it and cannot benefit you unless Allah allows it, but you have no fear of The One Who can harm you while no one can prevent Him?

how is it possible to have shame and be embarassed in front of mankind, but not in front of their Creator. does not Allah have more right that you should have shame and be embarassed in front of Him to commit sin openly in public like that?

indeed we all commit sins and make errors, but the one who conceals himself while sinning, IS NOT LIKE the one who sins in front of everyone openly, defiantly.

turn back to your Lord, Allah, and read The Qur'aan and seek His guidance and ask His forgiveness before the day comes that you AND I will be asked about what we did in this life-whether we obeyed or disobeyed The One Who gave us this life to begin with. indeed, that will be a terrifying day and i ask Allah to grant you and me both success on that day. but its starts with us first. and i am working on myself. what are you doing for yourself for the akhirah?

salaamun ala man ittabaa al huda.

OOPs Ever seen a MOSQUE & you will as are being built now here in AMERICA like another 7/11 & one is built every hour. PRINT THIS AS IS JUST THE START OF AMERICA AS A 3rd WORLD NATION.
wearing the viel just like the 5 prayers a day is a means to keep the people under the control of the moslem church leaders who attrtact the ignorant losers to be their enforcers.  the religion has keep these people in poverty since 700 ad. as long as they have & ignoance the imans can stay in power.
To the author: Godspeed.  I wish you good luck in your efforts to report what is going on. As a woman, I believe it is important to have some insight into the lives of women around the world.  Let us know what we can do to help if there is anything.
I applaud the woman and those like this woman.
It is a challenge to recognize one's own voice and to follow it in such an environment. I applaud this woman as she has taken ownership of her life.
May all the other women who are fearful look inside and listen to the voice that tells each one of them they are special.
I pray and wish strength will touch all of the women in this area. You have the power to change things, you are in my thoughts.    
I'm a Malaysian Muslim and here the women are free to choose to put on the veil or not.  A decent dress code is an important part of the practice but there are so many other aspects of living that are more crucial in the process of the betterment of the nation like education, health care, public amenities and the like.  The authorities should put in their effort towards addressing all these issues more than a mundane issue of women's dressing.
I've done some reading about Islam.  I can't believe what's going on in the middle east right now.  Stonings, hangings of juveniles, burqas, beheadings, this is insane.  Their beliefs are based on an illconceived bedtime story that wasn't fully (shall I say) interpretted until 180 yrs after Mohamed's death.
Mohamed was an illiterate.  He had no ability to transcribe the dreams he had.  It's time for islam to do a serious introspection of it's rites and rituals.
I've always said, "If it weren't for chaperones, there'd be more Baptists."  What I mean is that we impose our beliefs upon others.  Islam needs to back off...develope a trust for their fellow man.  The hate, discord and distrust is actually a true reflection of their inherent nature.  Too bad, Islamisbad.
T (Oct 13...)

PS:  How woman are treated is shameful.  Your spouse is your equal.  Your ficticious belief structure is so hateful and discriminatory.  You are inable to trust because you are inherently distrustful and complicitely deceitful.  How you make it through a night is beyond me.
I rather die than live like a cow, getting fed and without a brain,only to be slaughtered later.
One has to admire the lady who visited her aunt, as she is an example of an old saying. In order for things to change, you've got to change, or they will be as they always have been. The women in all Iraq need to stand up for thier rights as women, unite and fight back. Extremists can be eliminated, and the women can help do this.  I am willing to bet that in the neighborhoods where you have these extremists, the people know who these extremists are, where they live, hangout, ect. It sems the local police are doing nothing abut the situation, so, ladies of Iraq, unite, turn these extremists in to the US Military.  I'm sure our troops would be very happy to eleminate the problem.
The Holy Quran al Haqq, says in the Second Chapter (surah) 256 verse (ayat) "There is no compulsion in Religion..." such is God's Will on the matter... headcovering is an order of  God Almighty which is followed by believing women in judaism they wear the veil, Christianity... (the nuns habit)and islam (the Hijab)... its his obligation... for those who wish to follow his guidance... the rest should be free not to but are bound by rituals of culture gender, politics... etc... instead of faith... I pray that all believers be seen as following from love... and not any other provocations... (Shihabudeen a Chicano Convert to islam)
Query, does The Qur 'an contains the story of Onan,
In Christian Old Testament Bible he was the one who to obtain sexual release engaged a prostitue who can be recognized in public since they wear veil to conceal their faces (to hide their shame because of their profession?) Of course the woman he engaged was his brother's  widowed wife. Anyway that story reveals Jewish custom and tradition regarding the practice of prostitution in the olden times when the Law of Moses hold sway in their every day life. Ahh! times had really changed!!! In the old women who appear veiled in public, are the ill refute ones, nowaday, the veiled one are supposed to be virtuos.
I believe women have a right to not wear the veil if they choose.  The men in the Muslim countries are afraid of their women not being under their thumbs anymore........they like the control. They are a pretty sad lot.  Give me an American Man any day........we are treated as equals here.  It's great being free to choose.
This journalist sounds like a young woman recently out of college with the usual untested ideal of being her own person. She says, "I will not change my life in order to appease militias." That is not clever or wise. I live in Philadelphia and we had over 300+ murders this year. And yes, I changed my habits and lifestyle.  She may be use to wearing European/American fashions and see it as her right to wear what she wants.  But I suspect that there is so much resentment and anger against the American and European/Coalition forces for occupying Iraq that anyone wearing those clothes may be perceived as part or supporters of the Coalition forces. To the best of my knowledge it has been several years now since any journalists or American/European/Coalition forces have been able to walk freely outside of the Green Zone.  All this is to say that the journalist may be attacked for wearing American/European style fashions, not to force her to wear the veil.  
As a Christian I believe that in the sight of God there is no difference between male or female as pertaining to being a child of God. Also the wife should reverence her husband and the husband should love his wife as his own self and that he should show honour as to the weaker vessel. In my religion I don't believe in the platting of hair or the wearing of gold, pearls, or costly array, but the inner virtue of the woman being of a meak and quiet spirit which in the sight of God is a great worth. But to put to death a lady for what she wears is wrong, but who am I to tell a different religion or culture what's best for them.
12th century minds in 21st century world. Women treated worse than cattle. All this in the name of some stupid god. Does this make you as sick as it makes me?
Aww, Who cares.  People are so woried about the rest of the world, but not our own country.  "Children are starving in Africa"  So what, Children are starving right here in the US.  "We need to outsource because people in India don't have jobs"  Oh really?  How bout our own people who are homeless because they don't have jobs.  "people in Iraq aren't allowed to practice Christianity"  So what.  People here aren't allowed to acknowledge "God" in any public because a few Godless heathens will be offended.
The hell with em all.  We need to bring God, jobs and health care back to the people of THIS country before we go worrying about the rest of the world.
There are two things I can't quite make up my mind about - one is to do with male dominated societies where for example the wearing of burkas or at least veils is compulsory and the other is my choice for democratic candidate in the 2008 Presidential election.

As her first gesture of diplomacy,  I like the idea of Democratic candidate Clinton travelling to these areas and expressing her views on the subject  - this is a sort of a two birds with one stone idea I was just having over here.
A Jihad on the veil.
You are a courageous lady...submission to religious fruitcakes only gets us the Taliban, or the Spanish Inquisition...we need to hope that scientific education will prevail over perfect absurdity in the long run; but tribal societies thrive on ignorance and stupidity, and in the short run, you are clearly at risk.  Good luck!
what these people are doing is not Islamic law or based on Islam at all. It goes against the Quran to force people to adhere to religious practices.  The purpose of the head scarf was to ensure that a woman could move about "Freely" and not be molested in the land. Not so she can go and sit inactive and mute, in a house or behind a wall.  So that you as a female become a mind and a force to be reckoned with, not a pair of breast that men talk to or a hair color that lets people know you can have more fun, or a certain body shape and size that gets you employed faster or rejected.
Unfortunately I see a group of confused weak minded people, the Mullahs included, who no longer practice Islam.  Instead they run around following and issuing laws based on the worst elements of their backwards cultural practices and beliefs and saying that’s its part of the religion in order to rubber stamp its validity.  The society is over run with fatwas and made up hadiths and hardly anyone at all is reading and actually following the Quran or holding these liars who say they are doing what Islam says accountable for it. Women need to grow a back bone and start fearing God and not some bitter twisted man, who’s most likely on his way to hell. Sure it’s easy to say when you’re not in that situation. However where’s the solidarity?
It is a shame that in 2007 there are humans still living in biblical times, how can these people ever live in  a democracy? never
First of all, it is a pity that Islam is such an inflexible religion. It teaches fanatisam and history is a living proof of that. Not that  other religions were or are perfect but Islam is some thing else when it comes to fanaticsm and hatered towards other religions. I don't have to convince any open minded person be he Muslim or Non-Muslim.There are good moderate Muslims but unfortunately they either want it both ways or are so cowered by the small minority fanatics that they dare not speak up.
I wish there was a way that all Mulism nations could be  ruled by the Islamist fanatics with their Sharia and the rest of the world just did not interefere. I would bet you even money that these idiots would be thrown out by the Muslim majority so fast, their heads would spin. Iran is a Muslim country ruled under Sharia. Can any educated, open minded Muslim tell me with his hand on Kortan that he believes that Iranians are not coerced in to accepting this Ayatollah's rule under fear of torture or worse. That they would not throw away this evil yoke if they were free to choose. Any one?
Islam is NOT the solution. Islam is the PROBLEM.
David

correct me if i am wrong, but when she says "Personally, I could never do that. I will not change my life in order to appease militias." isn't that what she just said she did as in "  I actually went to see her for the first time in over 18 months when the security situation eased recently. But despite the improved security situation, it was still a difficult journey to get to the neighborhood – the only way I could travel there safely was by wearing a veil and an Islamic gown on top of my normal clothes. "? did she not visit and do that very thing?

i cannot condemn anyone for doing what they can to survive, but don't judge others and then do the same thing...?
What is the difference between murdering a doctor for performing abortions and killing a woman for refusing to wear a veil?  The answer - nothing.  Both are done in the name of religion, and that (religion) is the problem.  Until that is fixed, nothing will change.
I can't help but feel that murdering women or men because they don't subscribe to strict Islamic directions concerning dress codes is barbaric, of course this view is from the eyes of an American who has only known and understands personal choice.
Since 09/11 we and the rest of the non Islamic world have come to know and have a much better undestanding of the barbaric, facist, Islamic way of life.
I believe that our invasion of Iraq was ill conceived and that our attention should have been focused on Afganistan where we knew, without a doubt that the Taliban and Alquaida were plotting and training to inflict further and horrendous attacks on us.  Most of the rest of the world felt that way also and we had and still do have whole hearted support for what we are doing there.  There are, countries, (Canada for one)who have troops along side of ours in Afganistan but will not send troops to Iraq.
In saying all of the above, please don't make the mistake of thinking that I am a "Weak kneed antiwar protestor" beacuse I am a long term Veteran and served 37 months in the Vietname war, which I also thought was ill conceived.
I taught school in Saudi and Kuwait.  In Saudi, I was ordered to put on the entire covering - I choose to cover my face with two layers because I hated walking on the street while shopping and being called "harlot."  I asked why they did this and I was told that all Western women are considered prostitutes.  I wore what I was asked by the authorities when I arrived at the airport but I was treated then and forever after that with total distain and rudeness by the men.  I couldn't wait to get out of there - daily the Imam called out for prayers saying "Allah Akbar - Death to Americans" - this went on 4 times a day for all to hear - the Arab Times posted when women would be stoned in public - what a wonderful, "holy" place
I don't believe wearing a head scarf or dressing modestly under certain circumstances is offensive.
I am a journalist in the United States who occasionally writes about the local Muslim and Sikh communities. When I am in their houses of worship I wear appropriate clothing, including a head scarf, out of respect for their customs.
I do not believe this diminishes who I am. It is a sign of respect for their culture.
And Inshallah, I will continue to do so.

I believe that wearing the veil/hijab is a blessing from God and that we should as Muslims all wear it however.  It is not meant to be a burden on us either. Therefore forcing a woman to wear hijab/veil is absolutely unlawful.  It is her choice to follow the word of God or not.
I wish I knew what to do about the violence waged against women all over the world. Whether under the guise of religion, war or both, the outcomes are the same. Women are the sacrificial lambs of society. Even violence against children is often a way to harm women. It is no secret that our children are our soul. To be born in the US is the best chance for survival, but Americans too treat the "fairer" sex as property, and the inequalities are a part of daily existence. So much so, that most women in our society don't even realize that they deserve better. To veil or not to veil? Like everything else in the world, it should be a choice. I wish I knew what to do, to spread "free will" across the world to all women, and to put a stop to the oppression that men impose under the guise of..just about anything. So the war "we" are fighting over there...how's that going? It doesn't sound like "religious" oppression has been exactly lifted like a veil.
Madam Journalist; Please keep up the good work, and as dangerous as it can be for you, please do not let your independence and political position be squashed.
What I see happening around this world is a major change in how humanity is evolving past the organized religions of the last few thousand years, all of which were created by the male of the species, and claiming God/Allah told them what to say, and how all of us "should" behave. Religion was created for control of the masses by a select few. No loving parent (Creator) would deliberately choose to have half their children be subjected to the whims of the other half.
I too am descended from a religious sect who believes women are property, the Mormon polygamists, and my mother and aunts rebelled and left to have lives of their own choosing. We women have one hell of a battle still to wade through. May I suggest that you get a copy of the documentary, "The Science of the Sexes", available through the Discovery channel. A connection to, and a relationship with one's Creator is a deeply private thing, and no man or woman can tell, much less force, another to acknowledge
one's personal beliefs. One's religious beliefs should be kept as private as one's sex life. No matter how we address the Creator, we're all praying to the same Entity, and you must know that you carry my prayers with you, as do all oppressed peoples of this Earth. Stay strong and stay safe.
In Peace and Prosperity, Elizabeth


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