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Long memories of Russia put cloud on Putin’s Iran visit

Posted: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 2:15 PM
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The last time a Russian leader came to Iran was in 1943 when the Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin, President Franklin Roosevelt and British Prime Minister Winston Churchill attended a wartime summit in Tehran. 

Six decades after Stalin’s visit, it was the turn of President Vladimir Putin, who came to Tehran to make it clear to Washington that Moscow would not accept military action against Iran, a sentiment shared by other Caspian Sea states at the summit.

"We should not even think of using force in this region," Putin said at the summit in comments clearly aimed at the United States and Europe.

And as far as official Iran is concerned – Putin’s visit was just as significant as the Tehran summit during World War II.

"The mere fact of Putin's presence on Iranian soil is evidence that the West's policy of isolation is a failure and can be interpreted as a victory of Iranian diplomacy," the newspaper Iran News wrote prior to the summit.

But even though Tehran may seem to have gained an upper hand with what seems to be Russian support for it is nuclear program and a buffer against a military strike, at the same time, many Iranians don’t trust Russia as a country that will defend their national interests. While official Iran is touting Putin’s visit as a victory that is beneficial for Iran, unofficially the visit has been treated with a great deal of suspicion.

Russian, not always such a good friend
Historically Russian has a bad track record with regard to Iran and its territories. At its height, Iranian rulers controlled Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, much of Central Asia, and the Caucasus. Many Iranians today consider those areas part of a greater Iranian sphere of influence, as opposed to a Russian sphere, at least culturally.

But high mountains and the vast emptiness of the Iranian plateau were not enough to shield Iran from the Russian Army or British Navy. Both literally, and figuratively, shrank Iran.

At the beginning of the nineteenth century, Azerbaijan, Armenia, much of Georgia, and Afghanistan were under Iranian control, but by the end of the century, the Russian Empire wrested much of it from Tehran. All the rest of the territories were lost to the British. So, for many Iranians there is no love lost for the Russians or the British.

"I have lived in Iran all my life, 91 years, and I have seen a lot of changes to my beloved country," said Babak Mansour, a former carpet deatler. "I have seen three kings come and go, countless territories lost, a coup to overthrow a democratically voted prime minister and two revolutions, all in my life time. I can tell you, with God as my witness, that the Russians and the British were behind all of them."

"There is no way that the Russians would go against their friends in the West for Iran if they were not going to gain something vast in the long run, they only came to Iran to serve their own interest, not ours," he added. 

VIDEO: Putin warns U.S. not to attack Iran

Divvying up the riches of the Caspian Sea
Although the tussle of Iran’s nuclear aspirations made the headlines, the main issue before the summit was the Caspian Sea. Divvying up territory in and around the inland sea – believed to contain the world's third-largest reserves of oil and natural gas – has been a major bone of contention among the five nations.

The Caspian's offshore borders have been in limbo since the 1991 Soviet collapse and the lack of agreement has led to tensions and conflicts over oil deposits. Putin’s visit was also largely aimed at strengthening efforts to blunt U.S. economic and military interests in the area.

Putin suggested that Moscow and Tehran should have a veto on any Western plans for new pipelines to carry oil and natural gas from the Caspian Sea – which would safeguard Russia’s current monopoly on energy deliveries from the region. 

In terms of Iran’s nuclear program, Putin made an unspecified proposal at a private meeting with Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Iran’s supreme leader, Iran's state news agency reported Wednesday. 

No details were provided, but Khamenei, who has the final say on all government matters, said Iran will give Putin's proposal serious thought before giving a response. "We will ponder your words," Khamenei was quoted as saying.

Meanwhile, Putin refused to set a date for completing the Bushehr nuclear plant – which is being built by the Russians and would be Iran's first nuclear reactor – in an attempt to avoid an outright show of support for Iran's defiance over its nuclear program.

That lack of commitment on the Bushehr plant was a significant oversight as far as Ahmad, a political science student in Tehran, was concerned.

"The only reason the Russian came to Iran was to steal our share of the Caspian, they are just pretending to be our friend," said Ammad, who asked that his last name not be used. "If they are really supporting us, why did they not set a date for the completion of the Bushehr plant?"

"It’s funny that our government is making deals with a country that has done so much harm to us," he added. "The Russians have hurt Iran more than the Americans ever have, yet we are making deals with them and not the Americans."

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Iran is our Enemy. Russia is our Enemy. We should have teamed up with the Germans and rolled over the communists when we had the chance. Now we are going to have to deal with a re-energized Russia, and when that is over, China will be next. thank god Hillary is running for president, that will make China's agenda that much easier.
I hope our next admistration has the foresight to establish at least minimal relations with Iran, as the old saying goes keep you friends close and your enemies closer. Putin is there because our isolation policy has allowed him the opportunity to strength Russias ties with Iran.

The single most important strength the next admistration needs to have is the ability to create an extremely talented diplomatic corps. We have a very dangerous mess in the Middle East and South Esatern Asia that's going to take years to get straightened out. It's time to think outside the box and start building some soild relationships even with countries whom we've had conflicts with. I can be done but it's going to take forethought patience and talent. Something this administration doesn't understand.

It's ironic that the Iranian people feel the same way about their government as we Americans feel about ours.  Kudos.  
Putin is scum, plain and simple. He is as bad if not worse than Stalin, except very cunning, very very cunning.
Its like a fox declares that I am guarding this coop. I'll let nobody (except me) to hurt any one in this house(Caspian sea area). Iran's Ayatolla is old but with great wisdom is old wih He will not fall into the trap.
Who knows what Bush will decide to do?  He doesn't believe in science, but does practice the occult and believes a supernatural spirit is giving him devine guidence.  Because his views are pretty much the GOP platform, there is not a whole lot congress is able to do to stop Bush.  For those that pray, you better start now.  Pray that Bush doesn't damage this country anymore than he already has.
Yep.  Russia and Iran cannot be true allies although they may seem to cooperate on issues rather well when both of them are getting money from their cooperation.

Russia does not help Iran out of ideological solidarity or some sympathy.  Iran also will not find Russia's methods of operating much in alignment with its own.
It's really too bad that we have missed yet another opportunity to resolve our differences with Iran. Now the Russians have made their move and it has become yet another loss we can lay at the feet of Bush and the Republicans. When will we wake up and change our policies?
It is interesting that the Russians would suddenly be a 'friend' to Iran, and that the Iranians would be gullible enough to believe it.  Unforunately, until every news article is not tilted by such speculation as (and I quote) "territory in and around the inland sea – believed to contain the world's third-largest reserves of oil and natural gas", there will be no meaningful discussion.  Why does the U.S. care?  Let us lead by developing oil-free technologies and letting their precious reserves sit in the pipelines.
Iran has every right to pursue nuclear technology for peaceful purposes.  The world is growing smaller, and America has to realize that other countries are not "below" us, rather, simply different in cultural pursuits and practices.  If we want to be truly diplomatic, we must allow Iran to continue without sanctions, etc, and give them some respect.
All expansionists have ulterior motives. Nothing is free in this world.  If they come in to help, they want something, be it Russia, Germany, British, or US. Iranians have not seen as many harsh treatments from US as they have seen from Russia and British is because US has only had a little over 200 years of life, give it some time, they will catch up and show the same.
tricky ricky back with his needle point fangs ready to suck Iran dry, mean while back at the russians bat cave there planning a feast, for the dummies!  

dont be a dummy just learn from those who try to treat you like one!  you can learn a lot from a dummy!
None of this really matters. The Middle East as a whole is not going to be satisfied until they are all radioactive. Imagine a world with no Iran and no Muslums. Not only is it possible, it is probable.
Armagedon is going to happen, just not in the West.
When it happens, it's happening over there.
Political expediency of the moment outweighs the memory of generations or the future of those yet to come. It is a sad but certainly sound truth of international diplomacy that often leads to death and destruction.

Putin is building a new Russian Empire and he foresees Iran as one of his gatekeepers. He will allow them to arm with nuclear technology and pin his hopes that he can keep them from using it in trade for his continued favor.

In America, we are myopically concerned with Israel at the cost of the entire region. We have already committed ourselves to any war that comes their way regardless of the cause or the cost. It is either a noble and utterly foolish position that could stand well or ultimately fall into catastrophe.

Europe is chained to the gas pump and their energy-dependent Union so long prophesied. Will they seize a high ground and lead or… crumble into the feuding family they have been for a thousand years?

China is in the sweet spot, but not without the same need for energy. They can comfortably sit back as the world tears itself around them, leaving their critically imperfect society to inherit the role of superpower when it is all said and done… if they can avoid grinding to a chaotic halt from a lack of fuel in the interim.

The world is perched on a new precipice of disharmony that could easily roll into a glbal conflict. We’ve been here before but never with so few good leaders and so little worthy vision.

We may rightly fear that this time, our long-dreaded doomsday scenario is at hand and that after struggling to reach the top of the world with only the stars yet perched over us, we could soon find ourselves once again rubbing stones together to discover fire.


We should split the pie with the Russians.
Complete undisputed control over Iran should be enacted immediately.
My grandfather said we should have let Hitler go through Russia before we made the final push. He might have had something there.
It's true that Russia has done far more harm to Iran than the U.S.  While the CIA-backed coup is forever held against us, Iranians seem to forget it was the US that pushed the Soviets out of Iran post-WWII.  Russia's invasion of Afghanistan was a refugee nightmare for Iran, while the US invasion has helped Iran more than any other nation.  Russia also supplied Saddam with 95% of his war machine during the war with Iran.  Yet, Iranians have completely forgotton all of this and continue to bash the US as their enemy.  Talk about a screwed up foreign policy!
I agree no one in Iran likes the British and the Russians. The Russians are making headway because the are showing up to talk. Unfortunately, we are leaving the door wide open for the Russians by hiding behind the Europeans who clearly are only interested in their own position.
What's the difference. Bush attacked Iraq for oil.
Russia is at lease better than USA! Has Russia threatened us with war and nuclear destruction? No, but America has! Know your friends and enemies.  America is the friend of our enemy, Israel!
this is an excellent analysis of the whole situation.
I know somebody is telling a "story" or simply blunt lies. The Iranians are very smart and they can build their own nuclear energy with or without the Russians or the west helping them. The west likes to make other nations think that they are the only  intelligent nations who can develop technology. There are many nations today who simply don't want nuclear power as their goal. They have the intelligence and resources to develop it but simply ignore it.
Wake up America. Ancient Rome and the middle age Germany were once the greatest powers on earth but they squandered the power just as what "illeterate" Yale "graduate" George Bush is doing to America today.
Sounds like we need to let the representatives of the general populations of all involved nations settle our differences and fire all the politicians. The world would be much safer and peaceful.
Beware of the bear
Russian leadership is not our friend. To shake the hand of my enemy (A-mad-jihadi),you become my enemy. We are at war with Iran already, and Putin has chosen his side. I feel for the Majority of Iranians, Amricans, and all others who would like friendly relations and peace on Earth. Wake up America, This is going to be a long hard fight with the pen or the sword.
Hey, Bush! Take the both of them out! What ever you do don't use common sense here either.
Hopefully, Putin will leave office next spring. Then, the mullahs and those associated nutballs ruling Iran will be overthrown, as we did to Saddam.
Niether nation can be trusted.It is only a question of who doublecrosses the other first.
i lived in US for 9 years, and i still dont understand how such a propaganda can be put in the mids of the people. you are telling everybody that russia is bad, and all others, for example america is good. you know, FYI, russia has almost all caspian resourses. they dont need it from somebody else. you see the difference? US doesnt have caspian or middle east resourses, and ... to the author: pls stay a news producer, but dont create news, put them on the table..
Give me a break. Not only does Iran not have a Nuke or a Missile to deliver one any where near the Untied States there is no PROOF that is Iran's intent. Secondly all estimates are if Iran is attempting to build a Nuclear Bomb it is several years from producing bomb number one. Yet President Bush started a "WAR" with Russia today. Russia on the other hand has over 10,000 intercontinental missiles capable of reaching the US. They also have a fleet of submarines armed with 100's of nuclear missiles. The President is so Gung Ho to BOMB Iran into oblivion he is risking a Nuclear War with Russia.
Keep in mind that our Anti-Missile Defense System might be capable of destroying about 2 dozen incoming Nuke tipped Missiles each one with about 100 times the destructive power of the Hiroshima/Nagasaki bombs. Bush makes a BIG DEAL over telling Turkey the Genocide of 195 was Genocide.
It's time to Impeach Bush before he STARTS WORLD WAR III.
Putin likely had several objectives with the visit. 1 to show that Russia needs to have a strong and established leader to deal with the western nations. This probably works well for his plan to continue to head Russia once his term expires. 2) To provide support to Iran in exchange for agenda's which we may not know about. 3) To show Russia has a interest in keeping friendly with the oil rich nation nearest to their boarder to keep logistic lines-of-supply available, as well as, lines of trade.
how soon they forget don't they remember our contribution to get them into the 20eth century thru
the effort's of the shaw of iran.since then they have brought back stoning! beheading! and cave dwelling will be thier next great achievment
OVERTAKEN BY IDEALISM AND THE NEED TO SIT ON THE MORAL HIGH CHAIR, AMERICANS OFTEN FORGET THAT THEIR LEADERS HAVE TO TAKE DIFFICULT DECISCIONS TO ENSURE AMERICAN INTERESTS ARE PROTECTED IN THE LONG RUN,A THROWBACK TO THE ISOLATION OF THE NINETEENTH CENTURY WILL ONLY ERODE THE GAINS MADE BY PRESIDENTS REAGAN AND BUSH (SR)AS THE STRENGTH OF THE ONE NATION THAT HAS BROUGHT SUCCOR TO MILLIONS ACROSS THE WORLD. LEAVE IRAQ, AND YOU WILL HAVE A RUSSIA BREATHING DOWN THE NECK OF EUROPE USING OSAMA AND HIS ILK AS PROXY COMBATANTS TO ERODE THE STRENGTH OF THE UNITED STATES.
POSSIBLY UNLIKELY HOWEVER STRATEGIC INTERESTS ARE BETTER CARED FOR ON CERTAINITIES THAN POSSIBILITIES. US PUBLIC MUST HAVE FAITH IN THE MORAL GOODNESS OF THEIR LEADERS THEY HAVE ELECTED AND ALLOW THEM A FREE HAND IN THE ROUGH AND TUMBLE ON THE INTERNATIONAL FIELD. A WEAKENED AMERICA IS NOT INTHE INTERESTS OF THE WEAK AND DOWNTRODDEN ACROSS THE GLOBE, PROPAGANDA AND POLITICAL RHETORC BESIDES.
A FOREIGNER WHO HAS CRITICALLY OBSERVED THE INTERNATIONAL FIELD FOR HALF A CENTURY
LISTEN TO JOHN MCCAIN'S WISDOM, RUDY'S RHETORIC
AND TEMPER THE DEMOCRAT CANDIDATES CRITICISM OF IRAQ; IF ELECTED EVEN THEY WILL FACE THIS REALITY WITH WISDOM, DEFINITELY Mrs CLINTON, YOUNG BARAK HAS A LOT TO LEARN MAYBE GRADUATE BY 2020 STILL YOUNG.
PUTIN HAS TAKEN A PAGE FROM RONALD REAGAN'S BOOK ECONOMICS FIRST BACKED BY MILITARY POWER WINS THE DAY,
DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE HIM.
It appears that there is no such thing as independent journalists any more since everytime a journalist writes about a political issue, indubitably they put their slanted argument about an event, instead of merely reporting the news and letting the reader formulate the questions and the conclusions that were reported. Todays journalist insult the people constantly by designating themselves the messiahs of the truths making the conclusions for people to consume and believe. Shame on all of you for being sooo unamerican!.
It may be that some in Iran see Russia as more harmful historically than the U.S., but it is the current voices and actions of these countries that speak the loudest. The American government has shown a bad face to the world for too long. It's time to start mending fences or face the consequences.
Well, it is all about oil.  But if Putin has no right to that portion then I wonder who does - it certainly is not the US and Bush already warned of WWIII.
What have we gained from the war in Iraq but higher
gas prices, a falling dollar and an economic collapse.
Make Israel their illegal nuclear weapons and Iran has no need for them.  Israel has attacked and bullied everyone of their neighbors, violated international law, human rights, starved people to death, and stole land. And then cries victim!!  Give me a break!  Americas support for Israel is a major impediment to U.S. foreign policy and has been for too long.
It's very simple.  Russia has no love for Iran, however, Russia hates the USA.  The Iranian leader hates the USA.
At the moment, thanks to Bush in particular, Russia and Iran have a common enemy and people absolutely join together against a common enemy.  Russia and Iran hate us!  We have the ignorant Bush administration to thank for this.  
The question now is:  Who will we elect in '08?
I continue to state - I am not concerned with terrorist - but I am deathly afraid of CHINA & RUSSIA! Both - have and want the capabilities of wiping US off the map! IRAQ - never had the potential to harm the CONTINENTAL - US! Please - thx W for nothing.............
Let us remember the Republican President who was in office at the start of the Twentieth Century, Theodore Rooselvelt ? His foreign policy motto, " Speak softly and carry a big stick" ! Now we have a President who wants to get tough with Iranian nuclear planning by saying, " WORLD WAR III"  ?
the problem is iran has 2 islamic extremists running its government from someone who has traveled to iran several times, the iranian people love the u.s. just dont support our leader. get their president out for someone who is rational in their thoughts and you will have a stable iran and an anchor for the middle east peace effort (which will still never happen)
Geez !! Kinda irresponsible for President Bush to mention WW3.. Sorta like pulling the sabar out of the scabbard and waving it around..

Iran should go before the UN and cry FOUL !!!

Putin in Iran??? It's just business baby !!
If you have not read "The Ezekiel Option",by Joel Rosenberg get it . We have nothing to worry about with Russia or Iran. You will understand when you are done with the book. It's based on Ezekiel 39 & 39. It will happen, we just don't know when.
Does it only take three generations to forget humanity's greatest mistake; WWII?? All for what? For oil? An energy resource that, let's finally face the reality, needs to become obsolete for everyone's best interest. It seems as though our blind faith in our "leaders" is the problem. Especially if they plan to lead us to another global confrontation and put another, or God forbid, final black smear on humanity. For a species that's so smart and resourceful, we're awfully dumb sometimes... and as far as Bush is concerned, that's putting it mildly.  
There is nothing to fear from a potential Russo-Iranian alliance, as their foreign policies are severely at odds beyond their mutual distrust of "the West." Russia is one of the world's foremost combatants against Radical Islam (what with the actions in Chechnya and their forces that still patrol Tajikistan), while Iran is, of course, one of the world's foremost promoters of Radical Islam. If World War III happened tommorow, they would be enemies, not allies.
I ran is just another Country that our Mr. Bush has fail to keep any open door policy with.
And if he keeps opening his mouth,  it will include Russia.

I find it very hard to understand how Mr. Bush can complaint to the Congress about the Resolution involving Turkey, and how it might make things difficult.
Yet he is doing the same thing with China and the Dalai Lama.  Since it is He who is doing the appearance,  then China just has to like it.

Same with Blackwater, they are just a contactor.  Since when is a Contractor more important than US Foreign Relations, and especially in Iraq at this time. Mr. Bush should have already replaced them.  Besides,  is Mr. Bush and the Military saying that there are still not enough Iraqi troops and security guard  ready to start replacing American troops?
Viola Perry,  from  Kempner, TX  writes:
“Well, it is all about oil.  But if Putin has no right to that portion then I wonder who does - it certainly is not the US and Bush already warned of WWIII.
What have we gained from the war in Iraq but higher
gas prices, a falling dollar and an economic collapse”?


She forgot to write that on top of all this,  half of the World or not more is now pissed off at the US.


JIM FREGO:
  YOUR STATEMENT ABOUT TURKEY AND THE PRESIDENT IS  WELL, "A TURKEY". THE DEM LEADERSHIP IN THE HOUSE OF REPS. IS PUSHING THIS AGENDA. NANCY PELOSI IS THE ONE YOU SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT. EVEN MURTHA HAS TOLD HER THAT SHE IS BARKING UP THE WRONG TREE AT THE WRONG TIME. PLEASE CHECK MY FACTS.

 SA FOR THE SUBJECT AT HAND, IF THIS IS ABOUT OIL AS SOME PEOPLE SAY. HOW ABOUT WE START DOING WHAT THIS COUNTRY STILL CAN DO. WE MOVE TO NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS, WE DRILL EVERY PLACE WE EVEN THINK THERE IS OIL OR GAS AND BUY THE TIME WE NEED TO SET UP AND PRODUCE ALL THE NON FOSSIL FUEL WE NEED. RIGHT NOW AT THIS POINT IN TIME WE NEED TIME TO GET OUR DUCKS IN A ROW. THE ONLY REASON WE EVEN CARE THAT PUTIN IS IN IRAN IS BECAUSE OF ENERGY OF ALL FORMS.WE HAVE NOT BUILT A NUCLEAR POWER PLANT OR OIL REFINERY IN 30 YEARS. LOOK ALL I AM SAYING IS IF WE HAVE THE TIME OUR PEOPLE CAN SOLVE ALL THE ENERGY QUESTIONS. AS FOR ALL THE OIL AND POWER COMPANIES, IF THEY DON'T HAVE THE INTEREST OF THE COUNTRY AS PART OF THEIR RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT, THEN AS JOHN CARRIE SAID, "BUST THEM UP" NO MORE BLACK MAIL FROM ANY OF THEM. LET THE GOVERNMENT TAKE THEM ALL OVER AND RUN THEM.LOOKING TO THE FUTURE WHEN WE CAN CAP OFF ALL THE WELLS AND RUN WITHOUT FOSSIL FUEL. I DON'T CARE IF I USE ALCOHOL OR HYDROGEN OR COW MANURE TO HEAT AND COOL MY HOME AND DRIVE TO WORK.
TILL WE DECIDE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF ALL OUR RESOURCES HERE AT HOME WE WILL BE DEALING WITH ALL THIS NONSENSE ALL OVER THE WORLD.IT IS TIME FOR THE TREE HUGGERS TO START THINKING ABOUT THE WHOLE COUNTRY AND STAND ASIDE.JUST LONG ENOUGH FOR US TO BREAK AWAY FROM ALL THIS OIL NONSENSE.IF AL GORE THINKS THE PLANET IS HEATING UP NOW WHAT WILL HE SAY WHEN THE REAL BOMBS START GOING OFF ALL OVER THE PLACE. THAT WILL REALLY PUSH THE TEMP WAY UP FOR ALL OF US. WE NEED TO TALK NO IMPORT OF ENERGY AT ALL.
The one true jesture that would de-fuse the Iranian confrontation with the west and it's allies would be total transparency for their nuclear ambitions.  Why are the Iranians not allowing full inspections at all of their nuclear facilities?  If it is truely for peaceful energy uses, why not open the doors and let the world know that you seek peaceful solutions to your energy needs?  The Iranian people should demand this from their leaders, just as we demand accountability from our elected officials.
As an proud American, I believe that we should be ever watchful for countries that express an interest in eliminating other countries off the face of the earth.  We have been slowly gaining ground in Iraq even with the amount of arms that Iran is providing to the insurgents.  Iran wants us out of the Iraq so they can extend their influence over the Iraqi people and the country's oil wealth.  We are also in Iraq for our influence over their people and their oil wealth.  Although, the big difference is that we are spending hundreds of billions of US dollars in rebuilding Iraq and implementing democarcy.  The only thing that Iran is providing is more weapons that are causing the deaths of our soldiers and the Iraqi people.



Russia's 1939 pact with Nazi Germany paved the way to WWII, and it will again drive us down the same road . . . Russia apparently never learns, because during WWII it wound up suffering the most.  The lives of their own citizens have historically meant nothing to Russia's leaders ("cannon fodder" sums it up best), while the ones in power most often survived the very wars they instigated.  This is likely a clue to Czar Putin's thought process.


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