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From ally to adversary?

Posted: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 5:48 PM
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 To survive under Saddam Hussein, you had to feign loyalty and turn on your friends. To survive after Saddam, you had to cooperate with Saddam's enemies. It's a reality that has left so many in Iraq with checkered pasts.

Some former spies have done well and reinvented themselves. Others have been forgotten and disavowed. 

Saddam's final defense minister Sultan Hashim says he is one of the betrayed.

I met Hashim in Baghdad during the 2003 invasion. He was gruff, portly, and abrupt and ended up looking somewhat foolish.  I was in the Palestine Hotel, holed up with a few journalists still in Baghdad, taking shelter from the rain of bombs and rockets. Hashim had come to give a statement to the tiny Baghdad press corps.

VIDEO: U.S. goes to bat for a former Saddam aide who also worked for the CIA 

He sat at a table set up on a little stage in the Palestine's main conference room. A giant map of Iraq was pinned to the wall behind him. Hashim’s main message was that American troops were bogged down in southern Iraq and were not advancing toward Baghdad as quickly as American commanders claimed. Hashim wasn't fooling anyone. As he spoke, the map behind him shook like paper in the wind as American JDAMs (joint direct attack munitions) and cruise missiles exploded outside. Nope, no Americans here. It was almost funny.

But it turns out Hashim wasn't working only for Saddam.  He'd also volunteered to work for the CIA to overthrow the dictator. 

Saddam’s Achilles’ heel
According to Rick Francona, an NBC News analyst who worked in northern Iraq for a secret CIA task force code named Achilles, Hashim reached out to the CIA in 1996 through the former Kurdish rebel leader Jalal Talabani.

Francona and his team were trying to overthrow Saddam. Talabani said Hashim wanted to help.

The CIA, Talabani, Ayad Allawi, Gen. Abdullah Shawani and several Iraqi officers were all deeply involved. Their names have been previously published. The plot was called "Achilles" for "Achilles' heel," the weak spot that ultimately brought down the fabled hero. The army officers and insiders, men like Hashim, were meant to be that weak spot, the Achilles' heel.

It's unclear exactly how much Hashim actually did for the CIA. He certainly was helpful to Talabani, who in turn was helpful to the CIA.  Talabani said Hashim "made calls," "communicated" and "helped rebel against (Saddam's) government."

But the CIA's 1996 coup never materialized. Saddam infiltrated the conspirators and executed as many as 200 of the plotters, including two of Shawani's sons.

The survivors, however, would get their chance again when the U.S. took a more direct approach to toppling Saddam, invading the country in 2003.

The class of 1996 did well by the invasion.

· Talabani became president.

· Allawi became Iraq's first prime minister. 

· Shawani became intelligence chief. 

But what happened to Sultan Hashim?

Eight of hearts in U.S. deck of cards 
He was sentenced to death in June, convicted as a war criminal.

A U.S.-funded Iraqi court convicted Hashim of involvement in the murderous campaign against Kurds in northern Iraq known as the Anfal. Kurdish officials say an estimated 160,000 Kurds were killed by Saddam's forces, some with chemical weapons. Hashim was a commander in northern Iraq at the time. He may very well have been guilty of war crimes. But it seems by 1996, he wanted to be OUR war criminal.

It didn't work out that way.  After U.S. forces toppled Saddam's government, Hashim suddenly found himself on the run, listed as the eight of hearts on the U.S. "deck of cards" of Iraq’s most wanted former leaders.

Hashim escaped to Mosul, where he has many supporters and relatives. That's where he came into contact with Gen. David Petraeus, now commanding general in Iraq. At the time Petraeus was the commander of the 101st Airborne Division. Petraeus wanted Hashim to surrender and sent him a letter, a copy of which was provided to NBC News by Hashim's former aides.

In the letter, Petraeus wrote:

"... I offer you a simple, yet honorable alternative to life on the run from Coalition Forces in order to avoid capture, imprisonment, and loss of honor and dignity befitting a General Officer.  I officially request your surrender to me. In turn, I will accept this from you in person. You have my word that you will be treated with the utmost dignity and respect, and that you will not be physically or mentally mistreated while under my custody."

A spokesman for Petraeus, who was forwarded the letter by e-mail, said it "appeared to be an authentic copy."

The spokesman said Hashim "was treated with respect while in American custody.  But there was never any promise of amnesty."

That's not how Hashim's family says the defense minister saw it.  His son, brother and former chief of staff tell NBC News Hashim was promised protection and that intermediaries negotiating for Petraeus even suggested the former defense minister would be able to assume a prominent role in the new Iraqi armed forces. Petraeus’ spokesman said the general never had made any promise other than a dignified surrender. Intermediaries might have gone further.

Hashim did surrender to Petraeus, and his aides say he was treated with respect by the American commander.  Hashim's aides, however, said they were shocked that the U.S. military handed him over to an Iraqi court that swiftly sentenced him to death.

Will he or won’t he?
Now here's the real twist. 

According to Iraqi law, as president, Talabani must sign Hashim's death sentence. He must approve the execution of a man with whom he conspired against Saddam, a man he introduced to the CIA.

Last month, Talabani told a press conference that he will not do it. 

"I used to urge him to rebel against the government, and he used to cooperate," Talabani said last month."So how can I now authorize his execution? I just can’t."

So Talabani, a Kurd, is in the bizarre position of defending one of Saddam's top generals convicted of war crimes against Kurds.

For now, there's a deadlock over Hashim's execution. Quietly some American officials here are working for some sort of compromise. CIA officials tell us they are not trying to commute Hashim's sentence.

Read more about Sultan Hashim's involvement with the CIA from NBC News' Senior Investigative Producer Robert Windrem: Did a former Saddam Minister help the U.S.?

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Talabani, Allawi and Shawani should be executed by hanging before him
If he did help us, we should help protect his life.
Although, he may still have to pay for the wrong he did, but not with his life.

Roger, Merrillville In
you can't trust some governments, hey the us  just about had several of their own cia agents killed when they helped expose their identities. Think.
Unfortunately, this is the realties of Operation Iraqi Freedom and its execution. Nothing in relation to this operation should be viewed in black & white terms as some suggest. Saddam as cruel and heinous as he was, was once our ally and he did manage to keep the population under control and that fear maintained stability in the region.

As painful as this is to say, Mr. Hashim should be pardoned and granted exile in another country. He did help us, he did try to topple Saddam once it became clear that Saddam was nobody's ally. After the Neurnberg Trials, some offender were pardoned for both political and humanitarian reasons. Maybe the same should occur now?
Unlike life and death, war and peace is not black and white, only mshades of grey, and people must coexist with their conscience. From a US point of view, General Hashim's should be spared if we don't want the words of our generals questionned in future deals.
We cannot bring the dead back nor can we restore value to our betrayed words when they are perceived as such. Talabani seems to have a sense of honor, Petraeus likely too, give foregiveness a chance, the alternative is eternal suspicion, neither peace or war, neither freedom or security.
It is Ironic that a man have been an ally to the U.S and the U.S is turning its back on him. He will lose his life because he believed in the U.S. It is a crying shame that there is no loyalty in time of war.  It is not the first time that the U.S. have turn its back on its Ally.
I am no longer amazed at the short politial memory of our country.  We subvert a democratically elected president in Iran, overthrough the government, and install the Shah because we want an Amercian friendly government. We support Saddam against Iran, arm him, and signal we are not opposed to him invading Kuwait.  Boy are we messed up.
This war has gotten out of hand and the real reasons for going over to Iraq has been forgotten. The million dollar question would be who is guilty and who is not? The present Iraq government is no different than the Saddam government. People are still being killed, but they say it is justifiable because they are being tried in a court. Well during Saddams time they also had courts, and people were tried. Myself and many others would have liked to have seen Saddam and all the others get life, this would have been a death sentence alone. I then would have built a big glass window so they could see the Iraqi people living with the freedoms they took from them.
Now the average person would say how does former Saddam loyalist get a fair trial? What is fair? Two wrongs do not make one wrong right. The Iraq government, is a government on paper, they are not attempting to make things right in their country. They live in a secure environment, provided by the US military. They don’t have the same worries the average Iraqi citizen has. Ok they would like to say the green zone is protected by the Iraqis, get real.
The bench marks, what a joke, you have a government that has probably been infiltrated and some of it members have their own small armies. What other government in the world functions like this? Myself and many other Americans are tired of hearing this is their culture. We as a nation and government have let the Iraqi government get out of control. Who cares what the rest of the world would have thought if we controlled their government. We took the country in 21 days, what other country would have wanted to mess with us when we had the momentum on or side. At least we would know who we are really dealing and fighting with. If this was a model of the Marshall plan, we failed in a big way.
Bottom line let the man live, he helped us, but then again we are good for helping others but not following through.
A tiger never changes his stripes..hang him..Much like the Russian KBG man now in charge of Russia..that will never let go..and the old communists in the PRC that are slowly rebuilding the chinese military from profits of the junk they export to the USA..while they poison kids with lead paint..We let the Dems degrade our military budgets to the point of up the creek without a paddle when the Chinese decide to move on us one day..with no spare parts for old airplanes and hardware to fight with the bare essentials like in Iraq today..the old Dem hippies kids/grand kids better learn spoken Chinese..and slave labor.
I think we did this man a huge injustice.  If he had provided information to the CIA, as stated by the CIA and Gen Petreaus, then he should have remained in our custody.  The US government knew very well what would happen to this man, who provided important information to us, if he was turned over to the Interim Iraqi Government forces.  If Talabani does sign the death warrant, there will be NO HOPE for a peaceful resolution to the current situation in Iraq.
Military forces do what they have to do to come out ahead. The only honorable people are those you never hear about or they're on the big screen in Hollywood. Give me a break! Does anyone really believe that the US military is chock full of honorable folks!
Be our friend...we will see you hanging in the wind...
It is both ironic and tragic, but I guess that is how the world of espionage works.  It is a thankless job and it probably get you killed.
This is case reminds of me the U.S. enlisting former Nazis to help combat the Soviet Union, most of them later sent to war tribunals and convicted of war crimes. Did Hashim really have a choice in his part of the campaign that slaughtered thousands of Kurds? Don't forget this is Saddam's government we're talking about, I think in his case better them then me and that is a basic human instinct. If he willingly risked his life to overthrow Saddam then how can he be excuted? Prison is one thing but death is another.
and then you wonder why people dont help us when we need them, we are famous for  not keeping our word
Hashim,as a commanding officer under sadamm,was carrying out orders.This regiem was run by a dictator,which left 2 choices.1.Do it. 2.Be executed if you don't.Concidering he himself (Hashim)was attempting to help over throw sadamm,tells of a man who reconized the terrible horrers of a dictator and his cooperation to rid of the crazed dictator indicates he understood what was and had taken place in iraq was wrong.Given weight of eviendence by the above column,i would set him free,with the sentence from the iraq gov,Hashim never be allowed into any Iraq gov.activities what so ever. Never to be allowed to speak in public. If so done,imprision for life. With Hashims cooperation with the iraq gov and vows to remain silent,Let him fade away into history.
Was it ever proven that he actually had anything to do with the killings?  Just because he was a commander in Northern Iraq at the time doesn't necessarily mean he was involved.  Why would he put his life at risk by trying to overthrow Saddam and working with Talabani?  I don't feel that he should be executed.  If anything, he probably should be exiled.
President Talabani urge him to rebel against the government (saddam), and he used to cooperate," a man he introduced to the CIA. Where's the CIA..... Hello If this man cooperated for a better government with his life, Should not some one know, CIA HELLO.If this man did as President Talabani said and the CIA doesn't help him, THEN DON'T COMPLAIN WHEN HIS COUSIN BOMBS AN AMERICAN BUILDING TO RETALIATE BECAUSE THE CIA DIDN'T TAKE UP FOR HIM.And maybe he did do something wrong but until your bloods ready to spill and someone making you do something you don't approve and at the same time tryin to do whats right let his people judge it but america speak up hello CIA....


Typical for US foreign policy and domestic politics under certain administrations.  Look at how Rumsfeld, Cheney, and company have worked magic on our country under Nixon and Bush, and gave the green light to do the same kind of thing elsewhere.  Hey, look at what happened with SITE?  Familiar pattern  Has everyone forgotten who trained O.B.L. in the first place?  Short-term thinking with long-term shadow is nothing new.
Send this message to Tony Blair, Laura Bush, and middle of the raod Republicans and try to elicit the help of FOX news especially Geraldo. See if you can get some ex-CIA guys to get on board.
The metrics of war can be interpreted differently based on perspective.  It would be as easy for someone to proclaim "but Petraeus said he would be protected!" as it would be for someone to state "and Petraeus gave him a measure of protection".  If you would have assumed Petraeus' statement as a sweeping declaration of amnesty as history would have it you are obviously quite wrong.  It is unfortunate that the Iraqi people have come under such strife - however as history would also have it - not all societies were willing to endure similar such similar subjugation.  In regards to the same sentiment some hold towards the entire conflict, it should be mentioned that simply having a desire to live a good and free life is not always enough, sometimes you do have to fight for it.  Sadly when some human beings have the gun to their head, they fold into subjugation.  To live free and die trying is more in the best interests of one's long-term future and is more aligned with the angulars of natural life.  God bless America.
And the hits keep on coming. Does the end justify the means? I don't think so. There is a reason that Americans are hated worldwide. When I traveled internationally in the 80s and 90s, I saw this hatred firsthand, and occasionally saw the justifications for this hatred. It is much worse now, and I am sure glad I do not travel any longer. America needs to decide whether we are a land of laws and integrity, or whether we will screw anyone, anywhere in the name of our national interests. We are perceived as the latter. Stories like this explain why. The military teaches to lead by example, at least they used to. What example does America set, when we enter a sovereign democratic country and overthrow the elected leadership (1950s Iran), or plot subversive schemes against Cuba (Operation Northwoods), or participate through inaction in an attack against the USS Liberty (Israel) to justify occupation of the Middle East, or the bogus Gulf of Tonkin incident that justified Vietnam, or a whole long laundry list of other garbage we have done or are planning to do? America should get out of the business of seeking to subvert to control. We are really bad at it, terrible in fact. If we spent as much time trying to make friends as we spend trying to make enemies, maybe the bullseye that sits squarely on the forehead of every American would be just a little bit smaller.
You have presented a hard story.  If it is as you report, it seems to me that we, the American people, the government, the CIA,....everything that we are and represent to the world in general, and to this Iraqui in particular, must defend him and provide him comenserate treatment in these extraordinary and filthy times.  To not stand in his defense now is to cut ourselves off  from future colaborators/freedom fighters wherever we operate.  This is not to argue that everything we do is noble, but if you play dirty, have honor among thieves.
The Iraqi Government is so brutaly pathetic, they are proving that they are no better than Saddams regime.  There moto is to kill anyone and everyone affiliated in any way shape or form with the Hussein government.  Shame on them and their families for proving that they are even worse and more barbaric than the previous regime.
It sounds like this man wanted to have a cake and eat it too. If there is anyone more deserving of the harshest forms of punishment are the backstabbers and double agents such as this guy.
Give em a break........
If all the above info are true, he should deserve some break.
If he turned on Saddam, he'll turn again for his own agenda. Let them execute him and be done with it! He wasn't much help as I see it, he failed and Lord only knows what terrible things he did before he turned toward the West. At least Saddam, had the courage to stand at the gallows and say his prayers before he was dropped.
If one has been between a rock and a hard place -- like being loyal to a brutal dictator in order to live a life free from fear of cruel repression or be killed for disloyalty -- then the person should not be held accountable for his actions and punished to death, as this seems to be in the Iraqi general's case. One must have been found to have been knowingly and willingly committed war crimes. We live in a world where justice is often based on revenge and not common sense.
Another reason why Americans should never be trusted. The most opportunistic and crafty people in the world. Hashim should have followed the moralistic principles of his own people. He was willing to sacrify it for the sake of money and power. Too late his li
It is so strange as to how we allow the treatment of people that help us. He turned on our mutual ememy (Saddam)We could have at least offered him some type of sentence under US control. Now their is a chance that he might be excuted. That sends the wrong message to other allies who might consider helping us. I hope our govt does the right thing.
This guy needs to be nabbed back from the Maliki/Shia scum and swept off to say, the U.A.E. We should once be seen keeping our word. You know, Honor?
I am sick of this.
How many more will we betray before this is over? The man followed orders or would have been killed by Saddam. He didn't like what he saw or did and tried to overthrow Saddam by helping the CIA. Now he awaits a death sentence. Ever been in the military? You disobeyed orders? I think not. Look at those U.S. Army Ranger's that were sniping terrorist's who were picking up deadly equipment to use against our troops that was planted by the Army. They are being tried for murder! Should they have disobeyed orders to "bait" tango's? Right. Guess those of you who said "yes" have never been in a war zone with men who want nothing more than to actually kill or maime you and as many of your friends as possible.
Typical.
"Treason is a matter of dates." -- Talleyrand  
What good will it do to execute a man who in one way or another help the Iraqu people and the U.S. military in the ouster of a dictator. His sins of the past should be forgiven as he made a complete turnaround from evil to good and he should be protected just like what our FBI do to mob turncoats.
The first casualty of war is the truth. We may never have it in its entirety.
We should keep our promises.   At least it should appear that we keep our promises.....
We should keep our promises.   At least it should appear that we keep our promises.....
Typical U.S. Backstabbing, "We'll get what we want, but can't guarentee your wellbeing." I'm embarresssed sometimes (more often than not) to be an American lately...
Here the United states has a chance to prove to the world that if they work for the U.S. they eventually will be rewarded for their efforts.  My question is, Why has the United States have done So little to come to this man's aid when the United States had offer prottection and money to help rid of Saddam. I see why people in Iraq Hate two face Americans. Americans promisess are futile they are ineffective when it comes for them to Honor their word, what a bunch of morrons if you ask me!!!!
This man should by all means be not only Exonirated, but should be Freed.  To think that the CIA could turn its back is one thing, but to think the US Army and the US Government would is unforgivable.  

I implore all to uirge that this man be Released!

If we have lost our Honor as a Country, we've lost everything.
This is insane, talk about 'the pot calling the kettle black.'  Of course he can't sign a death sentence for someone when he has admitted to doing, and introducing him to, the same thing!  I really wish the world would get over the death sentence and realize that we need to be more humaine than those who did the crimes...sentencing someone to death doesn't make you any better than the person who originally killed.  We do not have the right to decide whether a person deserves to live or die.
 

And for those who are questioning; yes, I pray I would still feel this way if one of my family members were killed.
Is this the same man who was known as "Baghdad Bob:?
This story just explaines it even to the most uneducated person: Tyranny, war, occupation and the fight for freedom includes in this business the just most dirty and rotten politics and unhumane conditions imaginable. Prove me wrong.
Wow, so General Petraus really IS General Betrayus.
goes to show you the double standards of the american government. they recruited him in an attempt to overthrow saddam but the c.i.a will not ask for his sentence to be commuted. life isn't fair , especially when dealing in politics, the military, and working for a repressive dictator who had no value for human life.
 If he was given a direct order by his superior and he refused. the act would have been carried by someone else. IF he had made the decision then he should be held accountable.
hang him
I believe he should have his freedom just as Talabani has had his. I admire the Christian attitude of forgivness, mercy and understanding that Talabani has shown. I am also proud of the way Petraeus recognized the real world and effort that he and the others lived in and the honorable way he handled the situation. It is a further testimony to the quality of the man and those he commands. Let the man go.  He is a man of conviction and patriotisem for his country. He should have a position in the govenment of Iraq.


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