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Russian boom lures workers, legal or not

Posted: Friday, September 28, 2007 12:42 PM
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MOSCOW–  The group of men were gathered by the side of the highway and quickly converged on any car or van that came to a stop near them.

A quick discussion of professions (bricklayer, woodworker, etc.) and salary (usually from $40 to $60 for the day) ensued before a few men hopped into the car, considering themselves lucky enough to have found a construction job for the day.

Yonatan Pomrenze / NBC News
Day laborers wait for jobs on a highway outside of Moscow.

It was a scene that would look familiar to anyone following the debate over illegal immigration in the United States, but the highway was just outside Moscow and the undocumented workers were mostly from Tajikistan and Uzbekistan.

Russian solution?
There are many parallels between the immigration debates in Russia and the U.S. Immigrants here make the long journey from economically struggling homelands with few job opportunities, to a neighboring country where jobs seem plentiful.

Russia’s steadily growing economy has attracted millions of undocumented workers. Most are from neighboring, former Soviet countries in central Asia and the Caucasus, and their work is helping to keep Moscow’s exploding construction boom going.

While politicians in the U.S. discuss different immigration reform plans, Russia has already taken steps to implement one. Earlier this year, the government adopted a plan that simplifies the Russian bureaucracy (not a small task) for immigrants to get official registration as a guest worker and placed a quota on the number of immigrants allowed to work in Russia.

In theory, the plan is a huge step forward. In practice, though, things haven’t worked out so smoothly.

‘The police are all bandits’
Eshon Abdujalul, 25, left Tajikistan six years ago and described his first two years in Russia as "working like a slave for someone in the mafia, until he was killed."

Eshon eventually made his way to Moscow and now waits outside the construction market by the highway with 50 to 100 men every day waiting for jobs. When asked about the new immigration regulations, he said that registration "can’t be done – it can only be bought."

Farid, who like many was wary of giving his last name, echoed the same sentiment and said one word that I heard used by almost every person on that highway: "Bandits! The police are all bandits, a gang. All they understand is money."

Everyone had a story of being stopped by police and having to give up their day’s salary to avoid being arrested. One man told of a friend whose documents were in order, but the police didn’t care. They drove him to an alley and gave him a choice – payment or problems.

Local youth enforcers
But now, it’s not only the police the immigrants have to worry about. On a recent Saturday, a nationalist youth group called Mestnie ("Locals") decided they needed to do their part to stem the tide of illegal immigration. 

Posing as potential employers, they drove cars to the highway with job offers. After picking people up, they drove them straight to the immigration authorities for their documents to be checked.

Two days later, a spokesman for the Federal Migration Service praised the group’s actions in bringing in over 70 immigrants, saying that they "really helped and can be useful."

Eshon was warned of the sting by a friend who had been taken, but saw others who were not so lucky. "Two men who were caught tried to jump out of the van, right onto the highway," he said. "One got hit by a car."

Left with little choice
When asked why they returned one week later to the same place, all the men simply shrugged and said there was no choice – they have to work.

Most of the immigrants agreed that if given the chance, they would like to play by the rules and apply for legal status. But when faced with corrupt police and an immigration service that applauds people taking matters into their own hands, they feel they have nowhere to turn to solve their problems.

In the meantime, though, they know jobs will keep coming to the highway. If all the illegal immigrants disappeared overnight, Eshon said "Nothing would get done, no one would work, the markets would close, and all of Moscow and Russia would be full of managers and no workers. How can they get anything done without workers?"

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We in the U.S. have a seriosu problem on our hands. My issue is tht the illegals procreate and then claim citizenship when their child is born. That is not how the Constitution was set up. I blame the ACLU and the Liberals for making this an issue. The people born in the U.S. have a difficult time getting health coverage, but an illegal gets it all for nothing. That is a big issue. They have broken our laws and need to be deported. We in the U.S. may need to realize that drastic measures will have to be taken. I am against the plan to giving amensty to illeglas, they should have to apply like all the others who have done it the "right" way. The ones who have done it "correctly" try to learn our laws, our language, and do not hide behind their ethnicity. They want to adapt and also keep their heritage. Those are the people I am for.
Please take the time to find out what would happen to Americans who entered a country illegally and tried to get jobs, get medical treatment, find housing.  It would be no different for us in another country.  Countries have to impose laws to protect the citizens in their countries.  We treat illiegal immigrants MUCH better than other countries.  Mexico would treat illegal American citizen immigrants terribly.
I read the postings by ignorant "citizens" decrying about illegal immigrants, but as greedly buy cheap grocery produces/items without any hesitation as to whose labor produced such abundance. You all (who write against immigrants) should be ashamed of your selves; do not forget you are mostly the over indulgent children of immigrants, who neither fought or died for freedom except the few who have died a long time ago or afew left from World War II, who will not write such garbage as you did because they understand the human condition and are not braggarts. Read what is inscribed for all to see and read on the pedstal of the Statue of Liberty: "Give me your tired, your Poor, and your huddled masses yearning to breath free...."

Moreover, no one owens any land, air, water etc exclusively, for the "Earth" belongs to all, even to microbs let alone human beings who are "created in the image of God." So, shove your ignoramous hate-filled comment up your *****. Tecola W. Hagos
The idea that ALIENS do not pay taxes is a totally with out merit. Sales tax for one is paid. Not all are under the table so FICA and such are removed before they get their CHECK. This is the issue for the government. The goverment KEEPS these monies KNOWING the worker will not file to get it back if they are below the level to keep it.

We must also take a look at the EMPLOYER on this issue also. WHO is the criminal here, someone trying to feed themselves and most likely family members also? WE are all immigrants to this great place if you take a LONG view of it. WE took land. WE killed the Indians and others. WE are polluting the land. WE are the best nation of the world?   YES but it comes with a price.............. ENJOY THE COST FOLKS....
What is amazing to me is that when a person in this country stands up against or at least disapproves of illegal immigration it is because we are racist.  I wonder how many of the demonstrators or marchers in some of our big immigration rallies would have showed up if our problem was with illegal African, Chinese, or even Canadian workers.  Very few for sure.  They want special treatment for their own ethnicity and that is racism to me.  It has nothing to do with racism for me, just obeying the law.  If you come in legally I will shake your hand and give you a hug on the way in.  But when the law says you can't come in and you do anyway, you have already started out in this country breaking the law.
In order for every race of people to come together we must not favor one race over the other.
This is the United States of America. My family was  Chinese immigrant to America during the 80's--Now We Are Chinese American Citizen. We were Hated on as Boat People F.O.B. ( Fresh Off The Boat People )
Because it was after the Vietnam War.
Back then we were so hated on by every other race of people including American Born Chinese.
(We have NO bitterness NO anger against anybody)
Back then nobody help us with Housing,me and my family--six of us stayed in a one room apartment with no bathroom in Chinatown. We know nothing about welfare, foodstamps etc... We knew our family has to eat! We cannot even get sick even if we wanted to.
(I am sharing this information with everyone in America) If anyone think they are having a tough time think again. ( AMERICA is the greatest place on earth ) Alot of people had been struggling to get a better life. With Hardwork and Human Kindness YOU WILL BE REWARDED LATER. ( It did for me and my family ) We no-longer have to Strugle anymore--I retired at age 39.
of course every emmigrants sould be legal,i live in the south,many hispanics work hard from sun up to sun down,under the hot sun,they never complain,they have taking the place of the descendants of slaves...if you listen to the farm owners,they will tell you,never got better help,in apreaciation for immigrants,their employers sould make them legal,and yes paying taxes like all of us, american citizens certainly cannot get free medical services...what am  missing?it is great to be humanitarian,but america sould care of its own first,how many children and old people are starving in the great usa...and slavery was abolished when?
By and large the problem is the same, it just hasn't gone on as long. The difference is we educate, medicate and support their "rights" though illegal. Generally we treat them more than fairly and there is no consequence to their actions. Not taking into account the process, at least it sounds like there is some consequence in Russia. I do not condone the above described process and it points to a whole nother issue. If the current laws, in the United States, on the books were enforced, the issue would be solved or at least better than it is.
This kind of things happen because migrants are always powerless. Whatever you say of them, they don't get a chance to dispute it. Local people are always more articulate, have more influences, belong to a bigger gang. Gangs fight each other for no reason. Local people abuse migrants for no reason, either.
The first of all they wanted the freedom and they have the freedom and own country. Stay in your own country and work. No body force you to come and work in Russia.
Pat green
Dear Weronica,
It's a shame you have to live around, "sick,sick,sick" Americans perhaps you would consider returning to your country of origin to avoid this horrible plight.
be it russia or the us the debate sounds pretty much the same, both claim that without the workers (illegal) the jobs won't get done. maybe so in russia but to say that in this country is a bunch of bull. we have thousands and thousands of people on welfare that could do a lot the jobs they say we won't do. but to do that the welfare rolls would have to be purged of the ones that slip through the cracks in the welfare system. that of course will never happen because then the people that run that department would have to do their jobs, fat chance.
for mike chicago..
is too sad your comments.
first of all the people who owns this land is the native indian did you know?in case you haven't read history..
is not for anyone to call themself im american....at all..the very root comes from the indian.. dosen'ty regardles of what you might say ..
live with it
When Russia's job market has become robust enough to produce more technical jobs like Software and Computer Engineering, their job markets will also be invaded by the Chineese and Indians that are willing to work for peanuts.  These types of jobs are not location dependent so immigration laws will not be an issue.  Face it, everyone is trying to make their way and a little thing like a border is not going to stop anyone if their hungry enough.
I duly understand that,we all,come to the native americans'(the so-called "Columbus Indians")country like that,immigrants(documented or not). It makes no different whether it were us or our fathers. But now, to the now world order,countries get their own establishment. They must tight their own border. If a country lets someone in or out, Russia or U.S.A or country x,y,and Z,it should let him or her work. Russia should not encourage kids to pick up people in such a way or let the police plays the gangsters on poor workers.  The workers should be documented and pay taxes. The foreign workers send their money back to their native country. They support people or economy of their own native country. That goes to the state of their country ,then, that country should be responsible for their health. I see it simple-when an undocumented worker incurred a medical bill,his or her native country should pick up the tub,via its MBC. Making tax-payers pick the tub while getting nothing,is unfair to its utmost extent.
By the way, each pro-immigrant demonstrator must pay a fee of or by a permit for $250 a year,each, to demostrate freely in favor of the non-document immigrants. A non permitted demonstrator should be arrested and pay $2500 or go to jail until the money is paid, for demontrating without a permit. This money should go in a fund to defray the medical bill of the non taxpayers.
I have problems with the "birthright" view of citizenship. In my profession (healthcare), I see chronically unemployed "citizens" who haven't ever given any effort to improving the miserable condition of their lives, much less contributing anything to the society as a whole, but using ten times their share of resources, with an attitude of unabashed entitlement. On the same day,  I will see migrant workers with job-related injuries, who are here to work, work, work at jobs that the above entitled "citizens" feel aren't worth their time. I think that merit and motivation should figure in at least some in assigning citizenship
what you talk about it when u say ilegal inmigrants dont pay taxes let Me ask You what is the diference between  an us citizen n ilegal inmigrant when you buy a vehicle, you mean the dealer waive the taxes because they are indocumented No everybody have to pay tax same with phones, clothes,services,properties .haven't get it yet people r economy, business i'ts how is based the growing of the economy.  the more u buy ,the more u spend more taxes WE trow in the economy
I had a partner who was here illegally, he paid taxes, filesd for a return every year, paid for health insurance, owned two houses (with mortgages), had two financed cars and had excellent credit, paid court ordered child support and never asked for anything from our government.  We need more illegals like that guy!!
Think of illegal aliens as "pioneers." They came here uninvited, worked hard and prospered. Pioneers should be admired for their ambition and hard work. They set a good example for citizens who in some cases aren't very hardworking. Learn from the pioneers of today!
First, I would like to educate all of you, especially the,"Doctor". The oldest bones EVER discovered in North American belonged to a WHITE MAN!  He his called Kennewick man and he was discovered along the banks of a river in Washington State. You wouldn't believe how fast the Native Americans tried to claim the remains because they don't want their claim to North America to be proven wrong. But thanks to American Scientists, this did not happen. The tests were done.  He was a caucasian and at least 9000 years old. Older by centuries than ANY NATIVE AMERICAN REMAINS.  Educate yourselves before opening your mouths.
Gail
Willits, CA
Illegal immigrants don't pay taxes? what they show their illegal immigrant id card at walmart and dont pay the tax??
when the economy collapses into a deep recession or depression-which is forcasted to occur in
the near future ,by experts who understand what  is happening in America now ,one can predict a national uprising with violence perpetrated by legal citizens against illegals who are perceived as stealing jobs and working the system at the taxpayers  expense. Corporations hiring illegals will be boycotted.The cost to Taxpayers of prosecuting and housing illegal criminals plus combating an explosion of drugs and potential terrorists will soon reach an unacceptable level --then it will start up.No society in history has ever survived once its border controls have crumbled.There will be an expulsion back to their native countries and those self serving politicians who have done nothing about these matters ,will be out on their duffs.I give it 2 years.Americans will eagerly take the farm jobs.It is an old story.Before one goes on welfare .one must be incapable of work.
In response to Connie in Michegan, your company withheld taxes from the illegal immigrants, but how can they forward the money to the Local,State and Federal governments without a legal Social Security number? Only Legal citizens can receive a Social Security number, maybe the money was just kept by your company for further profits of illegals.
I'd like to refute a few of the pathetic pro-illegal immigration arguments I see on this board. First of all, “Native” Americans didn’t evolve here; they migrated here from Asia across a land bridge between Siberia and Alaska. What’s more, they were raiding, depopulating and appropriating each other’s lands for millennia before Europeans arrived. The European incursion saw death and misery on both sides, but violated no democratically enacted written law of any nation-state, it was simply the way people around the world –of every description- did business back then. Europeans brought with them about 20,000 years of technological progress, and in the times since (in the US and Canada) have paid untold billions in subsidies to the “Natives”. You can’t name any other group of people in the world who would have done that.  

What many people also forget when comparing the illegal invasion to the waves of legal immigration in the past is also that until the 1960’s, there was no massive, taxpayer-funded social safety net. Before that, people paid their own way. Legal immigrants in the past were also willing to learn English and abide by American customs. Today’s illegals are the opposite: they demand taxpayer-funded services in Spanish and talk quite a bit about “re-conquering” the southwest for Mexico.

It is a documented fact, not right-wing rhetoric, that illegals are a net drain on the American economy. George Borjas, himself a legal immigrant from Mexico, has documented this in a number of studies at the University of Southern California. Illegals, put simply, consume far, far more in government resources than they pay in taxes, if they pay taxes at all. The fact that some illegals come here solely to commit additional crimes, like drug-dealing, rape, robbery, and murder, only adds to the cost they impose on the US. Their "cheap" labor is really very, very expensive.

In addition, there is no job “Americans won’t do”, simply some jobs they won’t do for slave-labor wages.
Not everyone here wants illegals' "cheap" labor, just some unscrupulous business owners who, I believe, should be punished far more severely than the illegals themselves.

The United States successfully deported over a million illegals in the 1950's, when the nation was far less affluent than it is today. Moreover, there is mounting evidence that illegals will deport themselves when they see the laws being enforced.

Finally, I came to the US legally from Canada, I dotted every “i” and crossed every “t”. So please, don’t give me any crap about how rough it supposedly is to come here legally.    
I find it interesting to read all the comments here on this blog. I for one is in favor for tighter controls on our borders. Fines for employers who hire illegal workers. True the illegal are hard workers this I will not take that away from them or the want for a better life. The one question that I have about the tax issue. Those who file a income tax each year. What is the one thing that is on each form you fill out on the state and federal forms that clearly identify that person. A simply number that one gets when they llegally move here and are born here. Now then the illegal get taxes taken out. I wonder how this is paid by employers when each worker has a SSN. My wife is from another country and it took just over 2 yrs to go thru all the proper channels to get here. Some from certian countries even longer. Now when she applied for a SSN. They checked with homelnad security to see that all was in order. I'm in favor of letting those who are here illegally the chance to get proper statice but at a cost.
It's simple, people, no matter whether you are a bleeding heart liberal or a staunch conservative.  We live by The Rule of Law in a Republic (we are not a democracy despite the miscomprehension of most people regarding this) and OUR LAW SAYS ILLEGALS GO BACK AND TRY TO DO IT LEGALLY.  IF MEXICO WOULD TAKE CARE OF THEIR PEOPLE and the crooked GREEDY elites, including corporations in this country and Mexico did what they are supposed to do, we would not have an influx of these illegal immigrants.  Citizens here take a back seat to the illegals.  Now Bush wants to give them Social Security and Medicare.  Do some reading before you start crying the blues for these ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.  COME IN THE RIGHT WAY OR STAY HOME AND STOP KILLING OUR CITIZENS WITH YOUR TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS AND CRIMINAL RAPES.  SICK AND TIRED OF THE BULLSH__.
hi hi hi hi hi........send them back HOME.....
Susan, the "Americans living illegally elsewhere" you speak of are NOT clogging European schools with their vast numbers or stealing medical services to the point where emergency rooms are having to close for lack of funding.  In fact, most Americans living abroad have at least a high school education and some job skills, the same cannot be said of the illegals flooding into the U.S.

I see that you're from Pennsylvania.  I urge you to come spend some time in the third world country formerly known as Los Angeles so that you can see up close and personal what it's like to have a entire city shut down by MILLIONS of people who take more out of the public system than they put into it.
Often, illegal immigrants are abused in the US just as bad as and maybe worse than in Russia. Many work the day and are not paid and there is nothing they can do.

Also, I lived in Europe in the US Army for seven years. I spoke with many of the "US Labor Force" made up of minorities from the Russian side working for the US government. Many of them literally jump the fence to come over. They live in barracks like US soldiers, but in a different area. Those people have serious stories to tell about their live in the Russian side.

In the US, many police officers and custody personnel abuse illegal immigrants.

Remember, if US citizens are abused by many police officers and custody personnel, what do you think awaits illegal people who do not speak English and it is obvious they can not defend themselves. Illegal people often do not have any relatives in the country; they do no know anybody, etc.

And, as far as illegal people costing so much in the welfare system, it is not true. Many, many, many citizens of all races, who make babies, but do not make a lot of money, qualify for welfare and use it. You can call it welfare or subsidy, but these citizens are receiving it. You can drive a Mercedes, as your primary and only car, and still get subsidy, as long as you meet the other requirements, which are not hard to meet.

I help people fill out any government forms, for free, when they ask me.

Any one who thinks we do not treat our illegal people just as bad as the Russians do is either a dreamer, someone who does not know the facts, or a fool.

I know. I am retired from US law enforcement.




I love the Russian people.  I lived in Russia for 4 years and the people need a chance.  Only give them a chance and they will make that country ought to be and could be. BUT, when people ask me about the future of Russia.  I must say, the country will never be what it could be because of the corruption.  The corruption, not among the people but in the government.  Most all of them. I am always sorry to have to say this but the people are taxed, robbed and robbed again.  The taxes that they do pay never benefits the country, the roads, the schools, the medical facilities.  They are not better than the poorest of 3rd world countries and  it is the rich (crooks) that are keeping that country down.  I am sorry, so very sorry for Russia and its good people.
 So what is the issue? You have citizem of a foreign nation in a country illegally, stealing jobs from a legal resident at below living wage. Of course the logical solution id either to shoot them on the spot or deprt them with the threat of shooting on the spot if caught again. So again I ask, what is the issue? Maybe our own govenment could learn a worhtwhile lesson and figure out that the short term benefit of an illeagal alien is not worth the long term cost to the nation.
To: Andres from Chicago who wrote, "I really dont like how people keep on insisting that illegal immigrants don't pay taxes".

Illegals do not pay taxes because they all know about this common trick. They add 10+ dependants on their tax return. 10 x $2500 = $25,000 deduction = no taxes.

If an American citizen tried to do this we would get caught and punished.  Illegal immigrant does not get caught breaking this tax rule because 1) they use dependants in Mexico and the US government has no way of verifying, 2) if they are using a stolen social security number then they just steal a different one each year, 3) Or instead of stealing a valid SSN they  pick any 9 digit number each year.

i agree w/ all of you, most dont like ilegal workers and hey it is ok with me. racism? in most cases it is. im a truck driver serving all 48 states and i get racist comments anywhere why ? because im mexican i look mexican and im very proud of it. i met drivers that cant even speak english, still dont know how they got their cdl. but i guess there should be someting done about ilegal immigration in this country. everybody knows who is ilegal, the police the government agencies, why they dont go get them?
get them all, sent them to their countries, all @ the same time, let all the produce fields get rotten, all the meat packing houses stop production, construction jobs come to a stop, and the economy go down,hey there is only 12million ilegals here.maybe more, i would like that to see. oh and i forgot, close the borders to trading w/ mexico too. that would make it much better.

I'm sorry but maybe if these illegals would come over here to become American citizens and not just Mexican, or some Southeast Asia national who don't want to learn are way of life or learn our language then they need to stay out! The liberals in this country need to get a clue about what made the United States of America the great melting pot of the world. It wasn't from having a hundred different languages available for any giving thing but it made these immigrants adjust to our society, but with a dash of their culture. The United States is splitting up and it should make everyone involved sick to their stomachs. If employers can't find legal workers then they should start paying more money to attract employees or fold. Let's hope the next administration gets their act together and solve this problem for the sake of this great melting pot we call the United States of America!  

QUIT BUYING THE PRODUCT AND IT WILL DRY UP ILLEGALS JOB. PRETTY SIMPLE SOLUTION HUH OR DO YOU WANNA BUY A UNION BUILT HOUSE FOR DOUBLE THE MONEY
Don't Blame Putin for their misfortunes. Remember the Berlin Wall? They want to be separated from main USSR, they got it and now they will complain because they don't have jobs. Pity.
About our illigal Alliens who work for less, yes they pay taxes but they don't know about it. They are being paid under the table far lower that the minimum wage that these cry babies are complaining that this people are taking the white Jobs. Yes they pay taxes coz their employer took half of what supposed to be given to them, one example is wallmart and Landscaping business and a lot more.
"How many of our own ancestry relied upon the kindness of an open and free America? Where would we be now if not for the land of hope?
Chris Rodriguez, Opelousas, Louisiana (Sent Friday, September 28, 2007 10:09 PM)"

Chris, when my ancestors came from Bohemia and Germany, they didn't use a welfare system to help them until they got a job!!!  That's where one of the differences lay.  The illegals know they can get medical care, housing (along with household goods and clothes), and food, if not from the U.S. government, then from the churches that they contact and pour out their hard luck stories to.  They know they can't be required -- much less asked -- to prove their legal status for medical care and housing, and the fake documents are easy to come by to get food support.  So what it they get caught doing that!!  They'll just be deported (probably) and then come back again.  There are many of our own people who are on welfare because of a medical disability that keeps them from working.  I'm one of them!!!  At 60+ years old, I'm receiving Social Security Disability Insurance because I'm too sick and injured to work any more.  At $750 a month, it makes me qualified for Medicaid.  But if we continue to allow illegals to get medical help, the portion they use is not available for a naturalized citizen like myself, and we are forced to have to forego treatment for cancer and other illnesses because the system is too poor to pay for it.  And yet illegals get all their children delivered and cared for in our hospitals for free.  What's wrong with that picture???  I paid taxes for over 40 years when I was able to work.  Now that someone is here illegally taking some of the benefits that I paid in to keeps me from getting the care I need so badly.  I think any one in my position would feel the same way I do about the illegals.  It is my suggestion that they do their demanding and picketing in their own countries to get their country's leaders to step up to the plate and get jobs for them through enticing companies to locate there, because, after all, they have millions of people who are so desperate to work that those people will become criminals (yes, they ARE criminals when they break the law).  So, all you illegals:  Go home and demonstrate there and do your part to force your native country to be a responsible contributor in this world!  
Wake up people...there are just as many Americans living illegally elsewhere in the world...predominantly in Canada and Australia. I myself considered going illegally, but was lucky enough to find a way in legally into the UK, where I will be headed middle of next year. When income no longer provides the very basics of living, people move to where they can survive, regardless of where they come from!. I started looking when I discovered that despite a university education, my field here in the US did not support human life...whereas in the UK and in Europe there are not only job opportunities, but health care for myself and my family available..something we had not seen here in years!
Susan Huy, Ephrata, Pa (Sent Saturday, September 29, 2007 11:09 AM)

So, Susan, are you going to give up your citizenship here when you go to the UK?  Or do you want to have your cake and eat it, too, by having dual citizenship?  And so you're willing to go to another country and accept their medical benefits even though you haven't contributed one cent (or shilling) to pay for it through taxes?  Then, go, Susan.  Get out of here because people like you are part of the problem in the U.S. where you'll sit and gripe about something but not lift a finger to help make a change.  When was the last time you wrote to your congressman/woman to express your dissatisfaction about the medical crisis in this country?  If you haven't even taken the time to do that one little thing, then you aren't, in my opinion, someone I want for a fellow citizen.  If you're not willing to try to help yourself, and just want someone to take care of you, then go to the U.K.  You'll find out about their medical system soon enough.  And I don't think you'll like what you find!!  But good luck to you.  Please stay there when the going gets tough there, too.  Please.
good luck susan,hi boys I am an illegal immigrant,from europe I do speak 5 lang,let me tell you about legals,to win thw right to come in usa you have to be very very verylucky,but hey one day I had a little time to go in a bar with a lot of legals ,they are threre every day ,were they find the time?colecting wellfare,as an illegal i can not so cut the bull ,if you not happy about illegas go back where your anccestors came from,i am sure you gona see less mexicans,lol  peace brosssssss
the ruskies are really gonna have to go some to outstrip u.s. police/immigration at the art of criminality, yes, here it is an art.
There people in Mexico who have many years ago become legal.  Now they sell their papers to people who work under these docunments.  The Latino person who works next to you may not even be who he say's he his.
They get registered by the NARA (National Aliens Registration Authority). This enables them to work legally, pay taxes and have a quota to get admitted in educational institutes.

If a country like Pakistan offers illegal immigrants the chance to naturalise, so what is the deal with the US?
Taimoor L. , Karachi, PAKISTAN (Sent Saturday, September 29, 2007 10:48 AM)

Taimoor, how does your country know if someone is in Pakistan if they don't register with the NARA?  Are you naive enough to think that ALL illegals are registering?  The U.S. already has a system for illegals to become legal:  It's called -- apply for citizenship!!!!  Now that's not so difficult, is it??  By the way, someone from another country would NEVER become a "naturalized" citizen. That is the word used to describe someone born in the U.S.  Perhaps you need to brush up on your English usage.  
Wake up people...there are just as many Americans living illegally elsewhere in the world...predominantly in Canada and Australia.
Susan Huy, Ephrata, Pa (Sent Saturday, September 29, 2007 11:09 AM)

Susan, It's irresponsible to make statement like that without referencing your source.  Or did you just read that in someone's blog?  Where did you get that information?  I don't believe it for a nano-second!!

Ther is no way to deport all the "illegals" that are in this country.  The only way to even the playing field is to enforce our laws.  Another way was talked about last year, but I have not heard anything else..and that was the Fair Tax Plan.  It allowed for everyone(legals, illegals, tourists, etc.) to give to the government.  
Another issue with illegal immigration is that is known that terrorists have used that same means to harm our country...does anyone remember 9/11.  I don't have a problem with immigration, but illegal immigration will pave the way for another terrorist attack.
Sorry, my response has nothing to do with article.
hey Mike from Chicago,, Anyone who makes and spends money here in the US pays Taxes. Whether you buy a new watch or a pair of pants. lets not forget that when you get a check from an employer, the IRS and the state tax board keep a slice. Some if not most illegal imigrants don't ever get that slice back because they don't file their income tax. Therefore they do pay taxes. It's easy to point fingers for this great nation's problems but im willing to bet that you too are a product of immigration. If you have any understanding of this economy--Mike--then you should know that illegal imigrants put in work. So much, that if it were not for their work, you and many other americans would find it hard to afford a house, eating out, a nany for your kid, housekeeping, and many other things Mike. Think about it Mike. Yours truly Robert Munoz, a product of illegal imigration.
I see a lot of european, african and asian names in this blog but no American Indian names. Why don't the whole lot of you go back to where you came from and leave america to its true owners. Oh, did your forefathers get a visa to come here?
I have read all of the blogs on here and have come to the conclusion that many of you are not very informed....( not that I'm a genius, but simply by reading what is being said is enough evidence for me )
Many scream about all of us at one time or another were immigrants...

True, however, we were all LEGAL!!!
Now, we are as American as Apple Pie, so I suggest that no longer holds water....!!!

No one can blame anyone for wanting a better life, but, if you cant do it legally,and you are not educated, then why would you expect any Country to want you....
This Country needs and wants immigrants, but only Legal ones...That is Reasonable....
Educated ones from whereever , as long as they can contribute to the welfare of this Country....
This means you must have a skill, read, write and speak the English language,and apply for entry the legal way.
You will be put on the list from each Country,which is allowed so many immigrants each year....

As far as hispanics, they are mostly good people, but those from Mexico and other Latin American countries have Doctors, Airline Pilots, Engineers, Dental personnel, Mechanical Engineers, etc. that can be an immediate asset to this Country.They are still waiting in line , nut the 20 million Illegals in this Country is by far over the Hispanic quota...

Whereas , "Illegals" cost this Country over 966 Million dollars every year in "OUTLAY" for them... go to this :
www.immigrationcounters.com  and get some idea of why Americans are 'not' open arms to these illegals,

They have come here to capitalize on the laxity of our own Congress, to have their babies here thinking they will have an ANCHOR to citizenship....wont work...Sorry.
Our Congress wants the illegals for their work for lower wages than Americans will for BIG BUSINESS, and the Congress themselves want the 'illegals' for their Votes...

These Congress persons are paid off for their votes by LOBBYISTS from Big Business...Now, If we let in the ones who are well versed in English, and well educated...they wont work for the lower wages...but the 'illegals' will, and this is why you have trouble getting into the Country in a legal fashion.

Congress is making money for themselves, while the American taxpayer pays for the 'illegals'...NOT all millionaires are made from honest work, mostly from being crooked.
Again, WE want the ILLEGALS OUT !!!  It is costing us far more than any of the Illegals are contributing...
Go back to the url I gave you...note how much money is sent back to their own country...
while we pay for them ,they can send their money home, and live good off our welfare and Food stamps...
One was caught , he earned $38,600, sent it all home and lived on our welfare and food stamp program...nice huh ?
Well, now you are a bit sharper because those are true stats, they have closed 3 hospitals in Calif,. and 2 in Tex. ( BANKRUPT) because they get Medical free, no one pays and by our own stupid Laws, we have to pay them...
Some asses in Congress are sure making a lot of money off of illegals that we the people pay for...great Country huh ?/
as usual..........this depends upon which side of the fence your on. Good old fashioned debate............

Illegals will continue till HELL FREEZES.
I WOULD LIKE TO START BY SAYING LET RUSSIA DEAL WITH THEIR PROBLEMS WE HAVE NO INTEREST IN HOW THEY HANDLE IT. WHAT SAY WE MIND OUR OWN AFFAIRS.
TO CONNIE MICHIGAN:
YOU SAY THAT ILLEGAL ALIENS ARE PAYING TAXES AND WILL NEVER BENEFIT FROM DOING SO.TELL ME HOW YOU PAY "TAXES" WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE A SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER?IF YOU ARE PAYING TAXES YOU ARE USING A STOLEN NUMBER.
DAVE THOMPSON:
    YOU MADE MY POINT WHY PEOPLE THAT DID IT BY FOLLOWING THE LAWS REALLY GET UPSET BY THOSE BREAKING THE LAWS AND DEMANDING TO BE MADE LEGAL. WE WORKED HARD AND LONG TO GET HERE. THE OLD SAYING IS "THAT SOMETHING YOU GET FOR NOTHING HAS NO VALUE" WE LEGAL IMMIGRANTS APPRECIATE WHAT IT TOOK YEARS TO GET AND DON'T WANT IT CHEAPENED BY MAKING IT OF NO VALUE.I FEEL BAD FOR WHAT YOU ARE GOING THROUGH BUT IT WILL BE ALL THE MORE VALUABLE WHEN IT FINALLY GOES THROUGH FOR YOU.
THE LOWEST THING TO SEE ON T.V. IS SENATOR DURBIN WANTS TO GRANT IN STATE TUITION TO PEOPLE THAT SHOULD NOT BE HERE IN THE COUNTRY TO START WITH.IT TELLS THE PEOPLE OF THE U.S.A. THAT THE PEOPLE THAT BROKE OUR LAWS AND CONTINUE TO BREAK THEM ARE OF MORE IMPORTANCE THAN THE PEOPLE THAT WERE BORN OR IMMIGRATED LEGALLY HAVE TO PAY A HELL OF A LOT TO HAVE OUR CHILDREN EDUCATED.THE QUESTION HERE BECOMES  "WHOSE SENATOR IS HE?" WAS HE ELECTED BY NON CITIZENS?IF I LIVED IN HIS STATE YOU CAN BET HE WOULD HEAR ALL ABOUT FROM ME.PEOPLE LIKE DURBIN ARE ALWAYS TOO WILLING TO STEP ALL OVER AMERICANS NOT ONLY IN BRINGING THE SO CALLED DREAM ACT TO THE SENATE FLOOR BUT ALSO BEING KIND ENOUGH TO HAND THE AMERICAN PUBLIC (BY BIRTH OR LEGAL IMMIGRATION)THE BILL FOR HIS ACT OF KINDNESS.(WHAT A GUY)IT HAS BECOME THE NEW NATIONAL SPORT PLAYED IN WASHINGTON--WHO CAN WE BENEFIT AND BILL THE AMERICAN PUBLIC WHILE NOT BENEFITING THEM AT ALL.ALL THIS NONSENSE ABOUT PEOPLE TO WATCH OUR KIDS AND MOWING OUR LAWNS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE AVERAGE AMERICAN WE MOW OUR OWN LAWNS AND RAISE OUR OWN KIDS.THE SO CALLED RICH HAVE THEIR LAWNS MOWED AND THEIR CHILDREN TAKEN CARE OF BY A NANNY.GARDENER  AND NANNY ARE NOT WORDS USED IN THE AVERAGE AMERICAN HOME. WE HAVE DAY CARE AND GET OUT AND MOW THE LAWN.SO AS FOR THE COST OF LETTUCE BEING $ 8.00 A HEAD THAT IS ANOTHER CROCK BEING HANDED TO US AS A FEAR TACTIC.THEY ACT AS IF LETTUCE IS THE ONLY THING THAT IS OF ANY IMPORTANCE TO AMERICANS.WHAT THEY DO NOT TELL YOU ABOUT THIS SO CALLED CHEAP LETTUCE IS WHAT IS THE TRUE COST BECAUSE YOU PAY FOR IT IN TAXES TO YOUR CITY OR COUNTY SO THE SO CALLED CHEAP LABOR CAN HAVE MEDICAL HELP AND EDUCATION FOR THEIR CHILDREN. YOU HAVE CITIES GOING BROKE SO THEY CAN SUPPORT THIS CHEAP LABOR. AND NOT TO MENTION THE EMPLOYERS THAT HIRE THEM ON A CASH BASIS SO THEY AVOID PAYING THEIR END OF THE TAXES AND  INSURANCE AT THE EXPENSE OF THE AMERICAN PUBLIC ALL THIS FOR CHEAP "LETTUCE ?" JUST HOW CHEAP IS THIS LETTUCE ANY WAY? WHAT DO YOU SAY WE DON'T EAT LETTUCE ALL TOGETHER AND SAVE THE MONEY.START FILING LAW SUITS AGAINST STATES THAT GIVE AWAY YOUR TAX MONEY TO BENEFIT ANY ONE BUT THE LEGAL RESIDENTS OF YOUR CITY COUNTY AND STATE.  NO LEGAL STATUS NO RIGHTS TO BENEFITS OF ANY KIND AT ANY TIME.GET YOUR DOCUMENT RIGHT AND BE WELCOME TO THE GREATEST OPPORTUNITY LEFT ON THIS PLANET BECOME AN AMERICAN JUST LIKE  I AND MY FAMILY DID. AND ALL THIS WILL BE YOUR'S TO DO WITH WHAT YOU WILL. ALL I ASK IS DO IT RIGHT.


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