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'Too Many Angel Flights' in Iraq

Posted: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 1:21 PM
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As two Black Hawk helicopters landed in the 108 degrees Baghdad afternoon, we formed a line to show respect for two tiny vehicles as they drove by – each carrying two body bags containing U.S. soldiers beginning their journey from a hospital in Iraq to burial back home. 

The four were among seven U.S. soldiers killed Monday in the western part of Baghdad when their truck fell off a bridge. Varying accounts say the truck was swerving to avoid a roadside bomb or slipped off the bridge when it tried to turn too quickly.  The soldiers had been ordered to set up an instant road block, one of the strategies to capture insurgents.

Surviving members of the unit, many weeping openly, served as pall bearers carrying the litters to the waiting helicopters. The long line, mostly staff from the 28th Combat Support Hospital, as well as visitors like us and representatives from the nearby U.S. Embassy, gave a salute or covered their hearts during the loading and as the choppers took off. 

This ceremony called an "Angel Flight" takes place often. Some of the doctors who work at the hospital have even a written a song called "Too Many Angel Flights."

Desire to make the sacrifices worth it
After two days at the 28th Combat Support Hospital in the Green Zone, Kevin Monahan, my producer, and I drove back to the NBC’s Baghdad office. At one point we get stuck in a long line of traffic on a bridge over the Tigris River. A truck had broken down at a checkpoint. Maybe I’m a wimp, but I was terrified. Cars stuck on bridges make great targets for snipers or rockets.

You don’t have to go far in Baghdad to realize how awful the situation remains. When we got back to the office we watched the testimony of Gen. David Petraeus and Ambassador Ryan Crocker that dragged on well into the Baghdad night. 

At one point, Petraeus offered what I thought was the highlight of his testimony. "We all want to go home," he said. "Nobody wants to remain here forever." And then he went on to explain that despite that, he and the other soldiers don’t want to leave without "getting the job done." 

This is a viewpoint that most people who care about their professions feel – and it is an especially powerful ethic of the military.  I hear it time and again when I speak to soldiers of all ranks.  No one wants to be regarded as leaving in failure even if some feel that the Bush administration has redefined "the job" countless times.

The troops want to succeed despite, in fact probably because of, all the "Angel Flights" and other horrors they have seen. The sacrifices only reinforce that desire not to feel it was all for nothing.

Congress doesn’t need to ask the military, even the top general in Iraq, about their desire.  The question is whether the politicians who started this war have any idea of how to end it or what to do next if they don’t.

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iraq had NOTHING to do with 911
I never believed Pres. Bush should have started this war in Iraq, but now that we are in it, so the lives of our soldiers sacrifices are worth it, we must win it.  I believe that Pres. candidate Joseph Biden has a great plan.  As for our soldiers, doctors and Angel Flights, God bless them and keep them!
Don't forget, Pres. Clinton wanted to bomb Osama in his Afghan terror camp but Congress voted that down claiming he was distracting the US from the "real" issue, namely Monica!  Ha!  What a joke.  If Cheney didn't put US troops in Saudi Arabia we would not be in this mess.  Time to divest from the Middle East mess.
The politicians DID start the war, with false precedence...  they lied to us, and the administration took the country to war with Iraq while forgetting their promise to get the real guy to start the terror war, bin laden.  While we honor the fallen on this 6th anniversary, what does Iraq have to do with bin laden, nothing... but distraction and he is still free.  Let's say we never went to war with Iraq, I believe we would have caught bin laden by now.  Our resources and troops are being wore thin due to the multiple conflicts around the globe now.  Especially Iraq.  And also, Bill Clinton was a good president, he didnt cause Bush to get this on his lap, Bush did what he did to get what he got.  Clinton was actively pursuing terrorist, but not by full scale war, by covert operations.  You are ignorant if you blame Bill Clinton for Bushes mistakes.
Put down the pipe and stop sipping the Kool Aid, Mr. Krell. The left in this country was villified by the Administration and its supporters for pointing out the truth--that Iraq had no WMD's, that they had nothing to do with 9/11, that invading was a folly and would result in a long protracted war. WE didn't change the mission 23 separate times, WE didn't invade with too few troops to secure the country, WE didn't proclaim turning points every few months that were illusory pipe dreams, WE don't support sacrificing more than the 3750 that have already lost their lives. This is Bush's war--the blood is on his hands and those supporters too stubborn to rescue our young men & women from a civil war. Mr. Bush has changed the rationale for this war on 23 discrete occasions--talk to him about what he's left here--the dead and wounded, the 4.2 million displaced Iraqis, the 600 billion spent to deliver less public services than existed under Saddam. Blame yourselves and YOUR president for being thick headed, incompetent, and unwilling to accept responsibility or provide accountability.....schmuck
I always love the talking point parrots claiming if we don't win in Iraq the terrorists will follow us home.  What they're saying is the billions we've spent on Homeland Security has bought us nothing.  That the thousands of border patrol agents, Coast Guard, FBI and DHS are all useless and the money wasted.  So, we either spend billions a month in a no-win war or waste billions on security at home that doesn't work.  You guys are the champions of the incompetent either way you slice it.  
God Bless You, SrA Bryan Smith.
Too quickly we American's have told, preached, harped on how we do not like the war.  How we think the leadership is faulty.  How everything is backwards and bad.  As an ex-soldier, I can say that this is very disheartening to hear so many American's attack the government on this.  I liken it to when I was a child and when children would tease they would say bad things about the parents, siblings, relatives and friends of other children.  While this is nothing bad or against that child, it is a demoralizing method that could only be read into as a negative remark against the military (by the military).  

Regardless of the politics, a job has been asked of the military.  A job that is obtainable and one that will come at a price.  Some think the price is too heavy, others do not.  Most of the military (the people actually in the war) do not think the price is too high.  Most in the military think that they are doing what is needed; what should be done; what is right.  

The real sad thing is how we Americans have so quickly turned on each other.  How quickly we fight over this.  Life, Liberty and the pursuit of being able to blame someone else????
It's easy to break rather create an object. this is the nature of law like newton's apple fall from tree- not eject from tree. annyway, we deserve better leader to think 100 times to act on a serious job.
What was it Sec. of State Powell warned the Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld crowd about invading Iraq?  "If you break it, you own it"?  We broke it - unleashing all the sectarian and racial hatred of centuries, hatred which had only been held in check by the repressive viciousness of Hussein and his Baathist thugs - shades of Yugoslavia post-Tito.  Sometimes only a dictatorship (even a brutal one) can keep even worse horrors in check.  One really must wonder at the hubris - or ignorance - of an administration which can destabilize a country like that and expect it to become a functioning democracy overnight.  Did they not realize that those Iraqis welcoming us did so only in the expectation that we would give them free rein to murder their ancient enemies and, the moment we put ourselves in the middle, both sides would despise and attack us?  Did no one in this administration even bother to look at what happened in Najaf as late as 1922?  Santayana was right and we have a President who is woefully ignorant, if not outright disdainful of history.  And now, almost 4,000 young Americans and hundreds of our allies have paid the price of that errant stupidity.  It's time to reassess Iraq in light of the Powell Doctrine (which was ignored in the rush to war) - identify our own, critical national interests, reconfigure our forces and presence to protect those interests, and then let the Iraqis murder each other until they are sated.  We have created the occasion for the new "Killing Fields" and only when those fields have been fully planted and harvested will the situation resolve.  We gain nothing by adding more of our own blood to that soil.  God bless and protect the troops.  They deserved better of the country which sent them there.    
god bless our troops. the bravest,toughest,troops in the world.This war is a war on terror not to liberate iraq.this war must be fought on their turf not ours.today is 9/11 ,do not foget the sacrafice,do not forget the loss,and do not forget why we are in iraq.pray not for the return of our troops but the success of the misssion to end terrorism.god bless our troops.
I have heard folks comment about the absurdity of this conflict and claim there is no justifiable reason and claim that only blind alligience exists among those who support the war and I tell you that they could not be further from the truth.  I am an attorney who joined up with the National Guard to help serve partly because of this conflict.  I am a progressive, some would say liberal, Democrat, who realizes it is right to bring freedom to another people.  I understand that if our soldiers don't stand and fight over there, our civilians will die over here.  I understand that the taliban, saddam, or whomever may rise up as a dictator  or "Islamic leader" in either's place would only go on killing, oppressing, and funding terror if not for the US fighting for change.  I understand there is more history, and there exists more reasons, that show we must stay there and achieve a stable democratic government with a viable economy, than we can discuss in one or one hundred blogs on the internet...  and I invite those opposed to this conflict to consider the alternatives to our success.  

...and by the way, I vehemently disagree that the conflict is Clinton's fault, come on now.  
Either bomb their citys & holy sites as we did in WW2 with the germans and japanese until they figure jihads not worth it anymore or, pickup and/or destroy all of our equipment then totally destroy their oil feilds and leave. You know, that bombing business is a two way street;its time we did a little bommbing of our own. That.s what wars all about , Fight to Win.
god bless our troops. the bravest,toughest,troops in the world.This war is a war on terror not to liberate iraq.this war must be fought on their turf not ours.today is 9/11 ,do not foget the sacrafice,do not forget the loss,and do not forget why we are in iraq.pray not for the return of our troops but the success of the misssion to end terrorism.god bless our troops.
Either bomb their citys & holy sites as we did in WW2 with the germans and japanese until they figure jihads not worth it anymore or, pickup and/or destroy all of our equipment then totally destroy their oil feilds and leave. You know, that bombing business is a two way street;its time we did a little bommbing of our own. That.s what wars all about , Fight to Win.
There's no question that the war needs to come to an end.  I don't think any military personnel need to feel like they didn't do their job.  The war was started and predicated on false pretenses, but the men and women on the ground have done thier duty.  An unwinable war has nothing to do with the strength or drive of the military.  The leadership in Washington needs to wake up and realize that we're sending soldiers over there to die, not to liberate a country.  Bill Maher said it best when he said (and I'm paraphrasing here) "Iraqis don't care about Iraq.  They care about Sunnis, Kurds and Shiites.  Iraq has only been a country since 1932, Paul Newman is 7 years older than Iraq."  That really puts it in perspective.  Nothing we do can calm the violence that's existed between these factions for hundreds of years.
1.)  9-11, while horribly tragic, was a mere spanking in the eyes of the radical jihadis, and they don't want to spank us.  They want to destroy us completely forever.

2.)  If you think the war in Iraq is about oil and not freedom, than explain to me why the Taliban so enjoy beheading schoolteachers publicly.

3.)  If you found a den of snakes living under your kitchen, you would need to remove it.  In essence, the only way to do so would be to remove them one by one by reaching in and grabbing the snake least likely or able to strike you fatally, and remove it first.  After the first, and each additonal snake, it becomes easier to remove the remaining snakes.  That first snake is Iraq.

Semper Fi!
Thank you to our troops who selflessly serve their country.  You guys are doing a great job and I am behind you 110%.  You are all in my prayers.  Stay strong and proud!
The military will do what it is ordered to do.  I am presently in TF 1-26 in Baghdad.  We have had an unheard of number of Soldiers die here....and while the Iraqi Army is not capable of surviving on their own yet, we have had them offer their "services" to find the insurgents responsible for the deaths. We are constantly told by the Iraqis that our tactics will not win this war.  If we catch someone detonating an IED and that insurgent just accuses us of rough handling him, let alone hitting him, we are investigated and have to jump through hoops to clear ourself.  I am sick of the left and right pointing fingers, when they are both responsible for sending us here and abiding by rules that the very people we have liberated say will not win this war.  Iraqi soldiers have said let us have the guilty and we will take care of them but our rules don't allow us to do this...Who's country is this anyway? we do our job and do it well, but in this environment...our rules are way too lax to properly make the enemy afraid of us...It's time for some changes before we lose more men and women.
I swear right wingers R lambs. Throw in a prayer during a speech to stir up some emotion and mention patriotism and honor and thats all they need. How quickly we forget all of the money these corporations are making of of all of this death. 3 billion a week for this war. No end in sight. They fired all of the opposing generals and statesmen who voiced oppostion. Outed intelligence agents. Illegaly spied on American citizens. Refuse to explain why they should be exempt from being included as a part of the executive branch's protocol for classified documents. And they have the nerve to quesion one's patriotism. The list goes on and on. A patriot stands up for their country not their party. Dems and republicans alike need to wake up.  
The military has performed exemplary--in spite of the LACK of leadership of Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld.  and they have not reaped the rewards of multi-million dollar contracts awarded to Bush, Cheney,Rummy friends.
When you do brain surgery with a chain saw, you create a mess somewhat similar to what we see in Iraq and the Middle East.
Let's have a war where the people who actually put themselves in mortal peril must be:
(a) over 35, and
(b) atheist.

Yup, nobody'll show up.

Any fool can stay over here and be pro-war.

However; it takes a young fool, filled with fantasies about life after death, to actually allow himself to be sent far away, and then agree to let complete strangers determine the time and manner of his death.

Keep it up, dumbshits. Makes great entertainment for those of us sane enough to just sit back and watch the show!
TO: MSNBC - Use common sense - STOP giving valuable space to pcitures and rehtoric of bin-Laden as if to "promote" his cause. This happens far too often. Also, those who "bash" the Christian religion need to first take the time to understand the person of Christ and remember it was mis-guided people who caused the crusades - not true beleivers & followers of Christ.
We will continue to fail in the Middle East as the collective beliefs here (U.S.)are not accepted there. We just dont understand eachother. Seems like a modern crusade to me..We embrance democracy and freedom separation of religion and state. That is not the case with Islam. The two are inseparable.  The Iraq invasion and subsequent misleading information leading to it is treason!!!! Putting soldiers in harms way for no apparent benefit to the American people is a crime!!!! Where is the oil, lower oil prices, etc. After we pull out of Iraq, the insurgents will take over and Iraq will certainly become a terror state.
In reply to SrA Bryan Smith.  --I'm not sure if you used the correct word to describe how the Angel Flights affect you but I really hope you don't find them inspiring.  I also wish you would realize that the events of 9/11 changed how we viewed people like Osama.  Before 9/11, to assasinate any person was politically and some could argue, morally wrong.  Once 9/11 happened the entire viewpoing of the nation changed and such actions are "acceptable". Nearly everything a politician does is governed by the majority opinion except in rare occasions. Clinton's administration may have wanted to act more strongly, and records show this, but their hands were tied by current standards.

In reply to Chris of Kansas City. I didn't realize we invaded Iraq due to radical Islam being rampant there.  I thought the invasion was sold as Saddam's regime had weapons of mass destruction and was supposedly willing to use them against America.  Obviously, we found no WMD and Radical Islam DID NOT have a strong foot hold within Iraq until after we invaded.  (Note:  I'm not arguing that Saddam's regime wasn't horrible, it just doesn't have a place in this dialogue) It is because of faulty logic like yours that America can't come to one sane solution and act upon it.  Afghanistan is a different scenario.  We did invade because of the strong terrorist connection.  However; why did we not send enough troops to complete the mission effectively, and instead fight two wars on two fronts? (a huge no-no in war fighting)  
Only a wimp would have declared war on Iraq to divert attention away from Osama Bin Ladin.  The Iraq war was never intended to be a war but rather a means of getting rid of Sadaam Hussein.  It doesn't matter how long our military stays there - you will not win - but there will certainly continue to be "Angel" flights.
Too bad the U.S. military wouldn't truly fight for the American people, and raze Washington D.C. and "liquidate" the federal government; then we could take the battle to the local aristocrats . . .

Then we could start to genuinely talk about freedom and responsibility like human beings.

Amen
Every American should be honored to enjoy the freedoms and liberties that are protected by the bravery of people like "SrA Bryan Smith, Iraq" above.

However, if he or those with similar beliefes to his were to research the original Gulf War, you would see that the same politicians, Rusmfeld, Cheney and even Bush Sr. all described Iraq in the early 90's as it has been seen for the past 4 years as their reasons for not taking Baghdad and leaving Saddam in power.

Amazing how right they've all been proven!

Iraq is being used as a training ground.  A war college, if you will.  Not by us though.  Iran, Syria, Lebanon and, of course, Al Queda (the real one, not the "al Queda in Iraq" puppet's) are all there in small numbers.  

They've aligned with the various sectarian fighters and are using them against each other and the US so that they can study our various operations, our methods of deployment and our responses.  

It's the mission and those guiding it that are horribly flawed; not the valor or the honor that those following it live through.

God Bless you SrA Smith and all the troops you serve with.  May you all live long enough to reach the age where these realizations become clear.  
I am a member of the US military and have been to Iraq and will be going back very soon.  I also will continue to go back as many times and for however long it takes to "get the job done".  Which at least to me means stablizing a country that was once an enemy in hopes they will be an ally.  Because to me that at least will give me hope that my children with not have to return to that part of the world and finish something that I (and the rest of my generation) started.  I do not worry about dieing in Iraq, I worry about my son or daughter dieing in Iraq in 15 years, and that is what i'm fighting for.
Most republicans seen to forget that this war was started under misleading allegations and some straight lies. We can not and will not change an ethnic war that has been going on for over 1000 years. Bush and his administration failed to persue the guilty one "Osama Binladen" (who is still leading his followers to inflict damage to the United States) instead they persued their interest and the interest of powerfull corporations & companies. It is a shame that military men & women are giving their lives for wrong reasons. The ex-Republicans congress is to blame for their support and lack off check-balance of Bush.
A couple of responses to people posting here...

Mark Krell: "The only reason Bush has redefined the job in Iraq is because the left-wing media and the left-wing Democrats keep changing it."

Well-done for actually admitting that Bush has moved the goal posts at all, something many people won't admit to, but attributing that to the Democrats? Utter BS. First off, what is the 'it' that you accuse the Democrats of changing? If it is the mission or the reason for being there, you are demonstrably in the wrong: you already admitted that Bush redefined the mission himself. Democrats have wanted to change the mission (to training and CT only, with no policing), but that is a far cry from the rolodex of reasons Bush has tried.

c. kermes: "The way to end it is to win it. If not these folks will be making truck bombs in Newark......"

Really? You assume that our presence in Iraq does anything to stop someone from making a bomb in Newark. How, exactly, does that work? There's nothing about our presence in Iraq that is preventing terrorists from coming over here and enacting their plans... anything we can do to stop that will take the shape of intelligence and law enforcement, not military engagement.

And, lest you think we are somehow 'tying down' their resources by engaging them in Iraq, remember the hydra-like nature of the enemy... separate cells operating independently. Our own government acknowledges that Al Quaeda in Iraq is not even under the control of OBL, that they are distinct groups, so how much are we stopping OBL's AQ by engaging AiQ in Iraq?

If you want an answer, take a look at the recent plots that intelligence services have disrupted outside the borders of Iraq. By your logic, we should never hear about these.

SrA Bryan Smith: "I am blessed that we have a Christian man commanding this nation."

Interesting take. Christian or not really isn't a delineation that matters to this discussion. So, while you say your blessed with a Christian, I'd say the country is cursed with a stubborn moron.

SrA Bryan Smith: (continues) "the only reason this war fell in his lap is because Former-President Clinton was a giant pansy who wouldn't do anything while he was in office."

Really? I think you conflate anything that happens in Iraq with the war on terror (an interesting notion... how, exactly, do you fight a tactic? Get back to me on that one). Any resemblance Iraq has to the war on terror (and definitely to 9-11) is a post-engagment development. So, even if you want to drag out the boogey-man of Clinton and somehow claim that he should have done more, you're forgetting that there was no 'there', 'there' as far as Iraq... there was no reason to take on Iraq. Not to mention that Clinton tried to get OBL. Bush? You can go back and find the quote where he said that OBL didn't really matter, that Bush didn't really spend a lot of time thinking about OBL or worrying about him.

And just who is closer to the center of the war on terror... OBL, or a pre-invasion Iraq?

Iraq was a war of choice, driven by Cheney and Rumsfeld. No spectre or legacy of Clinton dropped this war in Bush's lap. Bush chose this.
How quickly we forget the lessons learned from the Viet Nam war. People wake up!!Years later you will be talking about how the politicians lost the war for us. Dammit, support the President & his commanders. Otherwise we will continue the fighting amongst ourselves..And who will win ...the enemy again!
It is shame that so many liberals who (yes you do!) want to protect the rights of a child molester, but to defend a country from people trying to kill your family is not worth it. We WILL be attacked again, and again until you yellow liberals get up and stop blocking the funding to give the soldiers what they need to do their job and stop believing that all we have to do is talk to Bin Laden and he will stop! Go talk to him, but I won't be coming to your funeral!
How quickly we forget the lessons learned from the Viet Nam war. People wake up!!Years later you will be talking about how the politicians lost the war for us. Dammit, support the President & his commanders. Otherwise we will continue the fighting amongst ourselves..And who will win ...the enemy again!
The mistake the U.S. is making is not understanding the Iraqi people and culture and the influence of Iran on the Iraq people. We continue to make that mistake.

What will happen is clear, no matter what the U.S. military and politicians do. We can either go with  the flow and try and shape the stream and make friends and build up good will, or we can swim against the current for as long as we can and drown at some point. Even if we stand up a country exactly as we want it, nothing can prevent that structure from it falling apart once we leave.

So we need to make sure what we are striving for is stable and what the population wants. Right now, that is not what we are doing.

The inevitable and only stable outcome in Iraq is a federation composed of semi independent Sunni, Shia and Kurd states with a strong Irani influence.

There is no stopping that Iran will have a strong influence in Iraq either. Period. Iran is a strong rich neighbor that has an interest in what goes in their neighboring country.

And perhaps it's a good thing, as Iran is a stable country with a semi democracy - isn't that what we want in Iraq?

Let these people determine their own destiny, as they will anyway and let us get out of their way. Instead of insisting on telling them what to do, we should ask them what it is they want to do - and respecting that.

What Bush and the military are trying to do is define the outcome on our terms, how we would like them to act, etc.....it just doesn't work that way and it's not heroic trying to force something onto people that they don't want. Not understanding what they want is the mistake we are making all over again. We did that in Vietnam too.

The recent peace in Anbar is a temporary lull of the warlords, because we are training and arming the warlords that are in open opposition to the Maliki government and that say the will fight the Central government if they continue to be ignored. Sure they now fight Al Quaeda as well. But they won't stop there. So we are building the foundation for more violent future conflicts between Iraqi's by arming and training these warlords.

We need to set the tracks for a divided Iraq and invite the Iranians to contribute and participate, rather than trying to force them out and fighting them too.

Then fighting will stop and we'll make friends with Iran. Isn't that a good thing?

If our leaders would tell the soldiers they lead, that  this would be victory and honorable, then it will be so and we can all get out with our heads held high and even the rest of the world would appreciate our involvement - even some Muslim countries.

For Bin Laden wants nothing more than the status quo in Iraq. The status quo is the worst case scenario for us and the most dangerous. Even just leaving without doing anything would be better than staying and following the wrong track - causing more untold deaths .
It is worth any price to bring democracy to the shiites and sunnis. However long it takes, no matter how many casualties, no matter the cost, we must provide democracy for all Iraqi's. They need us and would be awfully offended if we just up and left before finishing the job we started and which they support. Or maybe its just that if we left, Iran would jump in and grab all that oil. The lies of ommission in this debate are still just lies.
Anyone who has ever served in the U.S. military understands the mindset of our troops and the focus on "the mission".  The american populace needs to look past all of the political rhetoric going on in Washington and let our guys and gals do their job.  I assure you that they are our best and brightest and I have absolute confidence in their ability to win this thing if we will simply stay out of their way. God bless them all.
To T.Davis and Viet Nam Vet:
You vent your anger at the people who want to stop killing that has no justification.  You sound like bullies that want to beat up everyone on the playground, and anyone who doesn't want to fight is a chicken.  Calm down and read a little history - we should not have invaded Viet Nam and we should not have invaded Iraq.  There was no justification for either.  To allow one more American or Iraqi to be killed because of our actions is wrong.  It is not unpatriotic.  It is not cutting and running.  It is WRONG.
There have been a lot of American Soliders killed. They seem to be doing work that they are not properly traind for ie: police work. I would have thought their training was in the field of making war not occupation.    
We tend to have ignorance manifesting itself on the left, and on the right of our political spectrum.

Until our elected officials can start acting like adults instead of overly entitled and overly influenced (by lobbyists/donors/bribery) underlings of corporate America, we will be no closer to solving the problems our country faces, domestically, and internationally.

We need to draft our congress from middle America, not the privileged elite on both sides of the aisle.

Start electing people who live paycheck to paycheck and make our politicians as accountable to us as our children are.
I think everybody can agree that we went in with good intentions. Removing Saddam Hussein and removing any chance of him using nukes or biological weapons was enough of a cause to get large portions of the world behind us (including some democrats like Hillary Rodham Clinton). We didn't find the weapons we were looking for for various reasons.

But we DID remove one of the most hated dictators in the world. In doing that we created a power vacuum that will cause more terrorism and hatred if we don't stabilize it. We do have to finish the job. Maybe this war isn't a "moral" war to those who say that Christians wouldn't start a moral war. Christians also wouldn't leave the people of Iraq in the situation they are in. Of course, that means humanitarian efforts. It also requires providing security while the country (or countries) sort out the mess that Saddam Hussein left. The alternative is going back to deal with a larger, wider mess!
To all my brothers and sisters that are serving or have served in Iraq, my salute to you all. To all the veterans of other wars, no matter your feelings for this one, my thanks and again my salute. To all others who feel that they have the right to criticize me or any other veteran of Iraq or any other war/conflict do me a favor and please STFU!!
We have made tremendous strides in a lot of areas in the 4 years we have been in Iraq, I know having been there when we first went in and again in 2005 to help with the first sets of elections. Have mistakes been made yes they have, and we have learned from them and we are making great progress. Should we abandon what we have gained simply due to the loss of life we have sustained, HELL NO. History seems to be repeating itself again just like in the Vietnam War when Congress and a liberal media painted the whole thing as being lost and us needing to get out at all costs. Look at what that got the people of South Vietnam.
We must not allow ourselves to be "scared" to finish this, the cost in the end would be more than we can ever recover from.  
This administration started this war by and continues it blurring the lines; too many Americans believe Iraq was involved with 9/11, that Saddam posed more than an idealogical threat to the U.S., and that Iraq is the central front in the war on terror for any other reason than because President Bush said so.  Ask yourself how and why the administration deemed this to be.  WMDs?  Evil dictator?  COnspiring to obtain nuclear materials?  Do you believe that Iraqi school teachers, doctors, civil engineers, scholars and the like are waiting for us to leave so that they may bring the fight here?  Oops...Did i just mistake an average Iraqi for a terrorist?  We are not at war with Iraq, yet we label this war.  Who is the enemy?  The Iraqi school teacher?  The only terror present in pre-invasion Iraq was that of Saddam Huisen and his ruling party.   He's gone...Mission Accomplished!  Right?  No, then what?  It is ridiculous for this administration to expect it's citizens to accept this mission changing, mis-management, misleading justifications and down right inconsistent explanations for the course the war has taken.  Let alone conservatives and the GOP's refusal to respect any disenters opinion, even those of regarded military and political experts.  The horrible and declining situation on the ground is not the result of disention.  Nor is disent a sign to the enemy.  For they want to destroy that very right, constitutional right I might add, no?
This is the same crap we went thru when we were fighting in vietnam everybody thought they knew more than the military and how the wars should be fought, they want their freedom but they don't respect the men and women that win it for them my only complaint is that we take prisoners, they want to see allah GREAT IDEA!

Too many of the supporters of Bush and his fiasco in
Iraq continue to fall for the same illogical arguments
over and over..From day one of this mess this regime
in D.C. has put forth nothing but a ball of lies and
logical fallacies to defend and justify it's actions.
Not once has this regime in DC played straight with
the people. It's been a constant barrage of lies
and half truths based on THEIR definitions of
words (e.g. "torture" and "civil war" and what constitutes "casulties") and THEIR muddled and contorted "facts" follow the same pattern of white
lies. And this article continues the tradition of the
use of the Sunk Cost Fallacy in referring to
Iraq. Sunk Cost Fallacy is the notion that,
your compelled to get their "money's worth," even if it makes you suffer. It's faulty logic, especially
in war.. It was poor logic in Vietnam,
and it's still bad. But lets remember, Rumsfeld,
Cheney and a lot of the Neocon think tankers were
Nixon advisers during Vietnam that lived by this
fallacy of logic.
Never should have went to war, especially over the World Trade Center.  It will all be forgotten in a couple more years.  The media keeps bringing it up every year. Remember 911.  I do, but its for an emergency, so screw NY.  Maybe the next time they'll do Boston and we can hear Ted Kennedy whine some more.

Bush has fragmented Iraq--he is trying to buy time--so when the next administration comes along, he or she will get the blame. Bush and Cheney have destroyed Iraq and they can't fix it!
As a Vietnam Vet I see way too many ways the two wars are alike. I watch the war on the digital cable TV and it is like being there. I understand that many of the others watching don't have the stomach for that. It is graphic. What gripes me is the very politicans who endorsed starting it are the same ones holding back funds to the latest technology, The same tv channel that shows GI's with marginal equipment fighting for their lives also features all the new high tech weapons that are not there yet. Like a 400 round per miniute gun that shoots shotgun shells that are small grenades. These are the same politicans wanting to end it in the same type of disgrace we left Vietnam in.

We have the commitment of the troops just like we had it in Vietnam. We don't have the commitment of the Congress particularly on one side of the asile.

I think the next time the politicans want to start a war they won't try to win that we should send them to fight it and keep the troops in reserve!
All the Kings horses and all the Kings men cannot put Humpty Dumpty(Iraq) back together again without Humpty Dumpty wanting it so.    


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