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Al-Maliki’s political pressure grows

Posted: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 7:50 AM
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Iraqi Vice President Tariq al-Hashimi leaned forward as he explained that he believed there were a lot of others who could do a better job than Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki.

"We have here, I think, a reservoir of leaders who, in fact, could shoulder responsibilities in these very hard circumstances," Hashimi said in an interview Monday. "I do have a feeling that many, many Iraqis could be qualified for this job." He didn’t want to name names.

Hashimi is Iraq’s top Sunni Arab official. His party, the Iraqi Accordance Front, known as Tuwafaq, is at the center of a political crisis threatening al-Malaki’s Shiite-led government.  Six cabinet ministers from Hashimi's party have resigned. On Monday, five ministers loyal to former Prime Minister Ayad Allawi announced that they would boycott Cabinet meetings. 

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Iraqi Vice President Tariq al-Hashimi discusses the political situation in Iraq.

Hashimi said that if the government doesn’t meet key demands, he and Tuwafaq’s 44 members of parliament will resign.

"We decided to quit first of all from the government,  and if this situation continues definitely the next step will be to quit my position and we’ll think seriously of quitting parliament also," he said, describing himself as unbelievably frustrated.

Long list of demands
Looking like the prosperous businessman he was before becoming a politician, Hashimi said he believed his party also had to be practical and indicated that it wouldn’t try to unseat the prime minister before a report to the U.S. Congress next month that will help decide the future of U.S. troops in Iraq.

Sunni Arabs, in particular, worry about their fate in a Shiite-majority Iraq once American troops leave.

The Tuwafaq front resigned from the cabinet after accusing Maliki’s government of failing to act over the past year on a long list of demands,  including disbanding Shiite militias, involving Sunni parties more in security decisions and releasing thousands of security detainees not charged with specific crimes. An aide to Hashimi said the vast majority of the estimated 80,000 Iraqis in detention are Sunni,  even though the U.S. now blames Shiite extremists for a significant part of the violence in Iraq.

"This country can’t be run by a one-man show; this country needs collective leadership – that’s what we need," Hashimi said.

Balancing act
We sat in a cool, scented drawing room in Hashimi's residence in Baghdad’s protected Green Zone. Persian carpets covered the floor, oriental paintings hung on the walls. Outside, a fountain splashed in an immaculate garden. Only the profusion of security guards indicated this was not the upper-class Baghdad of old.

Hashimi has escaped assassination, but his sister and two brothers were killed last year in two attacks believed to have been carried out by Shiite death squads.

The vice -president warned that Sunni insurgents who had been persuaded to give the political process a chance could revert to violence because Sunnis had made no political gains.

"The extremists are saying,  ‘See? You see now Mr. Hashimi has promised you only have one path to capitalize on – be a partner in the political processes. After one and a half years you tell me …what have Mr. Hashimi and the Tuwafaq front presented to you?’"

He said the al-Maliki government had turned a blind eye while Shiite militias drove Sunnis out of their homes, stepping in only to crack down on the Shiites when the operations were complete.

"I’m gradually losing ground, in fact even in stronghold areas, to our opponents," the extremists, Hashimi said.

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I've said it before and I'll say it again he only reason the Iraqi government wants to keep U.S forces in Iraq is to act as their personal police force to remove unwanted citizens and definitely to keep the gravy train flowing as long as possible.  
This Iraq war was a stupid blunder by Bush, Cheney and Rove and Bush with all his ideologue grand design to leave a legacy of world peace didn't have the wherewithall to nuance, i.e. think of the ramifications and consequences.  Now we're trying to find a solution to this mess.  The only solution is to leave and let them work it out themsleves.  Fear of chaos when we leave?  There's already chaos so what's worse.  The stupidity of this President is legion.  He's cost us American lives and drained our coffers that we need for our infrastructure and the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis.  
 
I wonder how the Bush administration will spin this.  Seems these days all the talk is about how the US military surge is making great strides (all while the iraqi government takes the month of August off).

And what does VP Cheney say about that?  Well, our Congress takes the month off too...yea, maybe so Veep, but our Congress isn't getting that month off at the expense of the deaths of American soldiers.  I like how the Bush people constantly show their TRUE colors and how no one seems to care...what has happened to this once great nation?  
It seems our Congress' ability to distinguish between the Sunnis and the Shiites is needed now especially. Exactly who are we backing and in what ways are we contributing?
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2007/6/21/94118.shtml

It seem obviouse that Iraq needs a different leader, Al-Maliki is quit inept. 4 years and nothing to show for it. What would it hurt to try someone else? The place is a disaster now with no end in sight. I don't see Iraq as a country at peace ever. The Iraqi people seem to want to fight and kill each other more than they want to compromise and get the country back on it's feet. Iraq is a waist of time, money, resouces and lives.They have been at war with each other for 2 thousand years, why does President Bush think he can change that?
This fellow is right. Al-Maliki is better suited to managing a Rite-Aid drugstore than the government of Iraq. However, the article says that Sunnis worry about their future in a Shi'ite dominated Iraq after US troops leave. They should have thought about that 2 years ago instead of supported the terror campaign against Shi'ites.
This administration has made our once greatly admired country into a joke in the world.  All you people that voted for these clowns, ask yourself, What the hell have I done?  There is only one solution...vote every single incumbent out of office...every one of them.  They are the reason we are in this situation,and you are to blame for putting them there. When its time to vote, use some common sense, if they are in office, vote for someone else.  Anyone else.  Vote the bastards OUT!!
Think it through folks.  The Iraqi "government" has no interest or desire to create a national unification government.  The shia are ALL about settling those old scores and are just waiting the US out.  

The simple fact that no one in the Bush administration will or can see this basic truth is evidence of their complete and utter incompetency.  

And if you've got a GOP rep or senator who is STILL too weak to stand up for America, I suggest voting them out next election.  America needs leaders that are loyal to America FIRST not their party.  
It's a truly sad commentary that seems to suggest our governments priorities are not where they need to be...we send and spend billions abroad while America's infrastructure (Roads/Hwys/Bridges)crumble beneath our feet. As a voting citizen of the United States I feel completely defeated, demoralized and disillusioned by my goverment.
RE:  Ed, Pittsburgh (Sent Tuesday, August 07, 2007 9:05 AM)
Ed, you hit the nail right on head and it's good to see that other people feel the same way about the incredible stupidity that got us into this mess in the first place.  I think we could be there ten years from now, with nothing resolved, and Americans still dying at the cost of billions of dollars we DON'T have.  The fall out is going to be painful, and we'll be pilloried in many parts of the world.  But I think that's going to be the end result, no matter what course we take and I'd rather save what American lives and treasure that we can.
President Bush is meeting now with Gates and Rice at Camp David and one thing you can bank on Petraeus is there on a video link.  They must be getting all there ducks in a row about how great the surge is working.  Only five U.S. soldiers killed yesterday and a report by the GAO that several billion in weapons is unaccounted for, so it's improving.  Now when they address Congress in September, as soon as they say things are marvelous and progressing as planned in Iraq, Congress should pass a bill with "no discussion" to end all involvement by U.S. forces in Iraq and begin an immediate withdrawal based on intelligence and information provided by the Administration and the U.S. military commanders.
I THINK BUSH AND HIS CO-HORTS IN WASHINGTON ARE RIDING A DEAD HORSE!!!!!
bush was re-elected OVERHELMINGLY and thus the american people have truly spoken. Now sit quietly and wait him out. Blame yourselves everytime you want to vent .... May there be more
Seems as if we learned a lesson in Viet Nam.  That being you can't win a "war" when you do not know who your enemy is. Lick our wounds and bring our military home.  There have been wars going on in the middle east for as long as I can remember and I am 64 yrs. old.  And as for you, Mr. Bush, you are not the ruler of this great nation, just in office for a very short time,, thank God.  We have stayed much too long after our objective was met
.  Suck it up, admit you have failed, and make this nation's people proud.  Get out of the middle east.  I would think your rating would rise so that history would not list you as  the worst president this nation has ever had.
You people are a disgrace -- I don't care how big a mistake you think this war was to begin with, if you're seriously advocating a pull-out now, you're pushing for nothing less than one of the single greatest crimes against humanity a Western nation has ever committed.

Going in in 2003 may have been wrong - only time will tell. Pulling out before the job is done will DEFINITELY be wrong, no question about it.

Grow a pair, deal with the decision that your democratically-elected leaders (so, ie, the decisions that YOU made) made and think, for a few measly seconds, what a pull-out will do to whatever hope still resides with the (peace-loving - there are a LOT) peoples of Iraq.

Buncha me-me cowards.
It may seem terrible, but I am beginning to see why Saddam Hussein was the leader of Iraq.  Without a brutal leader and left to their own devices, the Iraqis seem hellbent on killing each other.  I was a diehard Republican until this group got in office.  Now I just can't wait for them to leave.  I hope they haven't done anymore damage by then.
"This country can't be run by a one man show; this counry needs collective leadership- thats what we need," Hashimi said.
 That sounds like the same thing this country needs, maybe they took lessons from Bush. ours reps and senstors seems satisfied to let bush be the one man show. they don't have the guts to stand up to him.
To all you naysayers who hate Bush, you should do a little research or maybe check on what the incompetent Clinton did as Commander In Chief. Watch Blackhack Down and see you will only scratch the surface of his stupidity of trying to run the military.  Clinton is resonsible for the deaths of the military personel in Somalia.  Yes, the refusal of the Clinton administration to provide the troops with C130 gunships and APC's armored personnel carriers cost many lives. Clinton's Secretary of Defense I think it was Aspen was so traumatized over the event he died shortly thereafter. The Secreatry of Defense stood in front of Congress and testified about the military blunders by the Administration. So soon everybody forgets about Somalia and the other events that happened on Clinton's watch.  Also, you can find this out that under Clinton's watch the quality of military life was at it's lowest in many years.  I have been in the military for 30 years and Clinton was one of the worst Commander In-Chiefs in my 30 years.  Iraq is a mess I agree and Bush is responsible.
Dear Mohamadeeny:

I think the glass is half-full.  Others I respect might think it's half-empty.  You think it's 'overwhelmingly' full.  Which of us is wrong?
It would appear obvious to anyone with a brain that the al-Maliki-lead government is crumbling day-by-day while our brave troops spill their blood in a valiant effort to preserve some semblance of order in the streets.  Where is the outrage from the American people over this monumental debacle created by Bush and company in their so called "War on Terror?"  Or was it to free the Iraqi people from an evil tyrant?  Whatever the excuse du jour, it was handle with that patented Bush administration incompetence we've all learned to expect from this Axis of A$$holes.  Although we must, I dread pulling our troops out and watching these people kill each other in a full blown civil war.  But NO amount of American blood or good intentions is going fix this mess until the Iraqis and their leaders learn to get along.  Unfortunately, that isn’t likely anytime soon.  In a culture where religion and law are two sizes of the same coin, and their prophets teach that it is righteous to kill all those who disagree with their believe system, who but Bush and friends could not have seen this coming?  Saddly, I predict that, once the bloodletting is done, Iraq will either become several warring states with no hope for peace, or they will find themselves an oppressive dictator that will make the common Iraqi peasant wax nostalgic for the good old days of Saddam.  Nice job Dubbya! You got anymore personal legacies worth killing thousands of American soldiers and hundreds of thousands of civilians for?
The world outside our borders must be laughing hysterically knowing that 'the most powerful nation on the planet' has a President that didn't even receive the majority of popular votes in 2000.  The US's legacy over the last 7 years is based on a technicallity of our Consitution which allows someone who receives the majority of 'electoral votes' to become our fearless leader, even though the majority of our country didn't want him in the first place.

Regardless of who our President was on 9/11, we were still going to be attacked, but just imagine how the world would view us if we stuck to the first agenda of going after Osama and not resting until we got him.

If the administration can't even answer the simplest question there is....Why Iraq?
Wake up Maria Brunner!!!  We owe the Iraqi people nothing.  For the last 5 years they have taken and taken and then taken some more.  They have been given a chance and have squandered it.  They are the cowards not us.  We stood up for them and when asked to do the same- they have not.  Instead they have stolen from us and fought their old squabbles out.  The billions we are spending on them should be spend on Americans.  Not those cowards.
Hey, Jerry... The guys over at fark.com call what you're doing the "B... b... b... but CLINTON..." defense, i.e. "Maybe da Dubya is an incompetent dictator with delusions of grandeur who has dragged this country into a quagmire that neither he nor any of his neocon cronies have the slightest notion how to get out of, trashed our civil rights and run the most secretive executive in American history, b... b... b... but CLINTON... Uhhh... Clinton did... Uhhh... 'Go see 'Blackhawk Down'!!! Clinton was personally responsible for what happened in that movie even though it was Dubya's father who got us into Somalia in the first place!! So there, liberals!!"

Your logic is impeccable. I am truly impressed.

King george and his court of jesters will be out soon... then maybe, one way or another, things may get better than the mess we are in now.
Imagine if we spent 18 billion dollars a month on our own country for our own people, we would have national health care for ALL, and we would have no national debt, and we could protect our borders and the list goes on.  Instead we get deeper in debt and have zero health coverage and no middle class.

WAY TO GO BUSH ADMINSTRATION!!!!!!!!!!!!

We are the most hated nation on this planet right now.

Remember "we are in our last throes" and all the other stupid statemants bush and cheney make!!!!!!  The latest being that the "SURGE" is working!!!  If you believe that, you'll belive anything that this adminstration says.  Funny thing, is that Bush and Cheney adminstration doesn't care what americans want, he has said this when the republicans "took a thumping" in November, but Bush said he knows whats best for this country regardless of what the american people want.  

THEY SHOULD ALL BE IMPEACHED!!!!  I just don't know how they get away with it.

I also think Bush should go back to snorting cocaine and being a drunk....

VOTE all of them out in 2008.  Don't forget the republicans screwed over the religious right as well!!!
We have opened pandoras box regarding terroism. Thank you Bush. Why don't we use Saadams old army to control Iraq, they did once. You cannot defeat a people who have resolve, I feel for all the dead and wounded military families, there is no just cause being in Iraq. Only a president who has passion for war like Bush would keep us in a mess. Vietnam is doing fine after we pulled out. We are now trading with them. Wake up America get congress off their butts.
If innocent Iraqis weren't suffering and dying, I'd love reading this kind of news.

Who here doesn't love it when some blow-hard liar gets schooled over and over and over and over again?

Bush&Company continue to fail in Iraq, if only they had the brain to listen to their competant military men instead of replacing them with yes-men.

Oh well...it's a Republican/Conservative screw up, let those Conservative Republicans fix it.

Hey Georgie, the electrical system is about to collapse...you missed a spot!

To those who condemn Clinton for his actions in Somalia, undoubtly Bush apologists, always seem to forget the more shameful behavior of their patron saint  "Cut and Run Ronnie".  Lebanon and the deaths of 250+ Marines who were blown up seems to escape their radar. 5 times the carnage in Somalia, Regean's reaction? Declare victory and run home to mama.
You know, bringing Clinton into this conversation is just another Red Herring.  Focus on the issue at hand, we are talking about a man that is responsible for every death in Iraq since he committed the crime of invading a sovereign nation without provocation.  The tens of thousands of Iraqis the thousands of Americans; all of them lay at his feet.  And to what end?  What have we accomplished? What will we accomplish at the end of the day?  I say, this is what we have done:  We have given terrorists and extremists a venue to wage war upon us...right in their own back yard.  We have given them double the bang for the buck from Sept 11th.  Instead of close to 3000 lives lost, we're now approaching 7000.  We gave Al Quaida so much free publicity with this fiasco that their recruitment levels top even our own.

I love how the admisistration says if we pull out of Iraq they'll follow us here.  What does that say for our esteemed Homeland Security office?  And frankly I'll use your words Mr. Bush.  If they want to try and come here I say 'bring it on.'  I doubt they would have much success with the quality of people I know are MY fellow Americans.
The ONLY candidate for President who has BOTH the Domestic experience and the International experience (and respect from many many  nations)is Bill Richardson.
Bill is also the ONLY candidate to voice his absolute committment to pull troops out of Iraq...immediately... and focus our attention of rebuilding very important International relationships that the current administration has so successfully ruined.
We need a change...NOW..in a very BIG way!
Oh....by the way....I forgot to mention that I really messed up ...2 times....and voted for Bush.  I am a registered Republican.
Vote for Bill Richardson! He is not getting the credit and the press he deserves!!!!!!!!!!
The iraqs were killing each other under saddam before we went there and they are killing each other NOW under BUSH and when we leave under a democratic president they will still be killing each other, so why stay any longer?
It's just way too obvious that either we need 500,000 troops there and finish it or get out and let the whole region "self balance".  I guess that would stop the money flow to Halliburton though so it's not considered?
I am a mother of a U.S. Soldier. My son has not yet had to go over to Iraq and I pray each day and each night that he won't.  My quetion to President Bush and his wife; Do you pray each day and night that your daughters won't have to go to Iraq? Of course not, because they aren't in the military and never, never will be. Mrs. Bush, consider the thoughts and feelings of other mothers as you speak with your husband at the dinner table or just before falling asleep.  Ask him if all this is really going to make any difference in the world, ask him if he thinks the history books will look kindly at him and his cabinet when this is over. Ask him to talk to mothers and fathers about their sleepless nights. We are not able to watch the news because we are afraid, yet we do watch it because, yes, we are afraid not to. My son called home and told me about his chain breaking on his dog tags and one of the tags fell, the one they put around the soldiers toe when they are found deceased. I prayed to God that this was not a bad omen, and didn't let my son know my thoughts, just that he needs a new chain. Tell me Mrs Bush have you ever had that feeling? I refuse to bash the leader of our country, it makes us look bad. But, yes we do deserve straight answers and the truth, which has become so fuzzy and blurred that I really wonder if we would recognize it if we heard it, not just from our President, but from all of those in politics both here and overseas.
That geographic part of the world that seems to occupy the news has been embroiled in conflict for the past 2 - 3 MILLENNIUM. The ONLY mistake the Bush administration made (as well as the Clinton, other-Bush, Carter,Reagan, etc. etc. etc.) was that they did not read enough history prior to actions. It is not a political solution that is needed...it is a cultural one and that takes generations to bring about.
Just how many of the Bush family has children in the
military?  How many deferments does Cheney have? Their
choices to go to war would have much depended on these
answers.  They sacrifice nothing,just the many families of the dead and wounded do.  King George must
not sleep at night with all the wrongdecisions he made.  He is so incompetent along with his sidekick Cheney, his ratings show it. Republicans, wake up!!!!
Already there's headlines about Basra deteriorating and the British have just started leaving there.  The administration will, of course, point to that and say that is why we cannot leave rather than admitting that is what will happen no matter when we leave.

I fully accept that Congress will, as usual, back down.  Bush is about as scary as a 3-year-old waving a plastic spoon but Congress sees that and they pee all over themselves in fright.  They gave in and continue to fund the war they whine is so wrong and illegal.  They just recently gave into him on warrantless wiretapping--or maybe they were so hellbent on going on vacation that they passed whatever Bush wanted so they could fly off to their summer mansions built on prime real estate.

As far as Bush replacing al-Maliki with someone a bit more qualified, that's not going to happen.  That would be a PR disaster for Bush to have waited this long to admit he made a bad choice--something he would never do anyway.  He has to succeed with this govt or he will go down with it.

It's also funny to me how many rabid anti-Bushies we have on these threads.  Come on, folks, you know damned well you voted for this guy.  Some of us didn't but I suspect most people on this thread did.  So take your medicine and learn that today's GOP is no more conservative than they are liberal.  There's no cloth-coat republicans anymore--just intolerant  religious fanatics too stupid to know the difference between religion and politics.  I think some so-called conservatives today would vote for Hitler just so long as he ran as a republican.  Start using your brains, please.  When you don't we end up in the situation we now find ourselves.
Iraq war is a personal vengeance of Bush over Saddam. The moment he became our country's president, Bush vented out, "He (Saddam) tried to kill my dad". The president of the US is the most powerful position on this planet. More the power one has, he must be more responsible. Unfortunately, Bush had become so arrogant, and he and his 'gang members' have determined to continue with their personal agenda. Iraq war started as a personal war; Bush defeated Saddam. After Saddam's murder, Bush does not know what to do. We have already lost 3675 brave Americans; about 25,000 brave men have been injured. More than 3 million innocent Iraqis have been displaced, and living as refugees. More than 100 thousand Iraqis have lost their family; Saddam took 25 years to achieve this feat; but Bush finished in the first 3 years!

Bush created Iraq problem; unfortunately we (the Americans) have to bear the pain. The best option is: "Leave Iraq immediately; it can never become more chaotic than what it is today. A brave man will pop up from the desert and will restore the order. We have no right to dictate them how to rule, and how to elect their representative. We have no business there. Quit. Period".

Bush must be punished by our criminal laws. He has taken 350 Million people for a ride. Let's wake up. There are three branches in our Government (by constitution), but only one branching dominating, and the other two branches are hibernating.

Let's wake up the Judiciary and Legislative branches. Let them exercise their respective authorities.

Neocons need to become neoconvicts for what has happened to our great country.  We will return to our greatness again, but rebuilding the trust we once enjoyed will take a long time.
Ok lets see, number one: Our military is completely voluntary, so unless I'm wrong these men and women are not victims. They were brave and chose to do this and we should not treat them as poor victims (and yes I have family in the military) I don't think that the war is going well, so lets try something different, which is what the surge is. The democratic leadership has done nothing, their hatred of the bush administration has led them to oppose anything bush puts forward, rather than actually propose an intelligent plan that doesn't involve retreat. Third, what kind of war do you think this is that we can pick our battlefield? If we leave Iraq they will come here, we can't just pick where we want to fight them. What do you think would have happend in WWII if Macarthur would have said" I don't want to engage in the Pacific, I'm going to pull back to the Indian Ocean and fight them there" Lastly, the democrats currently running in the front are all of a anti-war platform which is not what the mainstream american is. Most americans agree that the war was mismanaged, but that does not make them anti-war. One of those three (HRC, Obama or Edwards) will be nominated and be defeated on their extreme left of center views regarding this and other important issues. I hate the way the war is being managed, and bush is to blame, but it will be a long time before I elect a democrat during a time of war.
The administration claims the surge is working. Well
if working means less than 100 American lives lost per month, then it has worked for one month. And how
many Iraqies must not die to claim the surge a total success? By the one is now needed in Basra, so what's
going to happen? Clean up the capital which will take
forever, then go to Basra and other areas where by that
time there will be no lives to defend. The US military will be going around in circles in Iraq for
years to come losing thousands of lives and billions of dollars. The US went in, so now get out, nobody
is going to follow you anywhere, they will be too busy
killing each other.
"The WAR, the war, the war.  Here is a news flash, the military won 'the war' four years ago.  The counter-insurgency raging since that time is a product of political decisions made by the Bush Administration, the CPA and now the Mahliki 'Unification' government.  The U.S. military can keep killing insurgents from now until kingdom come, but that will not 'win the war'.  A just Iraqi government respecting each of the ethnic groups rights and empowering them politically will end the fighting.  As for our need to win 'this war' - Iraq has always been a side show.  We (the U.S.) will never (let me repeat that, NEVER) 'surrender' to Islamic fundamentalists who are bent on destroying our way of life - that war will continue on every continent and every country until we prevail.  The obfuscation of this administration regarding the facts will not change the facts.  
This  blog was a real chance for all of you arm-chair diplomats to give your assessments of the world situation.  It seems that one person bears the brunt of the venting here and that is President Bush.  Acting on the best intelligence our country and Europe had to offer, he chose to open a front against our enemy to protect us from any more terrorist attacks.  The only thing is that it had to be on foreign soil and not our own.  He has drawn fire from all over the world for his actions and has withstood it all.  Not too bad considering all the non-supporters of a free government that I have been reading from.  The liberal left and secular progressive movement are alive and well and they all are speaking out.  Bush may have sent us to Iraq and we have lost some lives there but he is not responsible for all of the deaths that you blame him for.  Iraqis killing Iraqis is not Bush's fault for it would have happened even if we had not gone there.  Sure, mistakes were made but, no one who was ever president made all the right decisions.  Do you think he should have asked all of you people first before he made a move?  That's a laugh!!  Oh, and the guy who thinks he can hold his own with his neighbors if we had to fight here, does he mean he can save our country from our enemies waitng for them to come marching down his street?  That guy must be from France much like the ones who witnessed the Nazis marching in their country.  Despite all of the continued non-support from Bush's countrymen and members of the Democratic controlled congress, he has kept us from being sucker-punched again like 9/11 and has kept them from our soil.  War is sometimes necessary and it always comes with a price tag.  That being said, how many of you could really budget for a conflict that does not have a cut and dried outcome?  Thank God Bush can rely on our troops to help keep us safe.  He sure can't depend on all of the "Americans" who think they can run things better than him and make those perfect decisions like they seem to be able to do.  How many times has Congress really agreed to put aside Party differences and work with the president on this so-called infrastructure you you are all concerned about?  Two wrongs don't make it right if only one side should change and the other should not budge one iota.  Healthcare took a backseat along with immigration because the elected leaders are more concerned with making the president mind them like some parent does a child.  When are they going to start earning all that pay that they have received and quit flogging that dead horse?  When one effort fails, another is waitng on the heels of that one.  Sure, vote them out of office.  Just be sure to get the ones who get elected time after time on both sides of the aisle.  I know, let's elect one of the Bush haters and see how free we will stay.
You know! I don't even feel like arguing anymore (and that's bad enough) but I finally realized that America (as a great nation) is going down fast. We have abused freedom itself to allow lawlessness and our money, money, money approach to everything is our undoing.  Feel most sorry for young generations. We will exceed Rome in history as being great and dying from within.
OK guys, some perspective, if the Shia were collectively intent on killing the Sunni, they would all, ALL, be dead by now.
Cracking down on the Shia militas only after they have created a serious problem sounds just like cracking down on AQI only after they've taken an area as their own. Governments have limited resources and deal with then worst crises, not the little ones.
Has the Sunni Arabs been mroe forthright in opposing their own toxic manifestations early on, the Shiites would not ahve flocked to theiur own militas as much as they did. As it is, despite terrible Shiite bloodshed, the Mahdi army has been steadily losing support and territorry to more responsible groups like Dawa and SCIRI for several years now.
Neither Sunni Arabs nor Shiite ones are a monolith.
Thank you Joe Clevelan!  Maria Brunner - get your head out of Bush's ass! I voted for Bush and all I want to do is CHOKE him.  The United States has been in Iraq for over 4 years.  The Iraqi people had their chance to gain their independence. Instead they hid and complained.  I think all Iraqi government officials should be hung for going on vacation during August while American lives are being lost and mangled.  If that is not a sign they do not take their new government seriously - what is? America needs to leave NOW!  We need to spend the billions of dollars on our needs...remember, it is OUR money - NOT Bush's or Iraq's. If that makes America sound selfish...so be it!  Our country has always been generous to the point of stupidity. From this day forward all money given to other countries needs to to have stipulations.  These countries only get 1/10th of it and then they have to show that they did what they promised to do with that money.  If they fail, NO MORE MONEY!  America is NOT obligated to throw our money away. The Iraq war is throwing money away, throwing lives away, and is just plain WRONG. America cannot turn other countries into us.  It took hundreds of years to get where we are now.  America has its own problems to solve.
LAWLESSNESS !!!  We have presidents of the united states that lie under oath,sign free trade agreements to put our fellow country men and women out of work,others who take bribes from FBI and the money found in their homes,running this country. Clean up our political system first before you try to tell the world how great democracy is. If Iraq can see this corrupt govt of usa getting by with it hey why not try it. Remember right is always right and wrong is always wrong.  WE SHOULD LEAD BY EXAMPLE!!!
It doesnt matter which party did what and when...when will you sheep realize this?  Voting along party lines is as outdated as leaded gasoline.  We need a leader to do just that....LEAD.  Lead us out of this mess, restore our faith in our government, restore our international relations, and represent the working class.  The people shouldnt fear the government, its the government that should fear its people.
There is no doubt that Shia and Sunni are settleing old scores. Civil wars are just that. We are in Iraq on a just cause. We can not allow people who hate America to get hold of the oil. We can not allow our enemies to control the flow and price of that oil. Like it or not that is reality. We can not leave now knowing they would all kill themselves as soon as we got out. Is that what America is all about? We allow a civil war to exterminate innocent people when we can stay the course and make a difference? We have to stay and we have to win. Good over evil, that is the American way. And for good measure we control the oil, like it or not.
Do you people only want to have Democrats win seats in Congress, or do you really want to solve the ethnic fighting in Iraq. Stop putting ur "lesser of the two evils" party on a pedistal, they suck just as much as republicans.  and paul foster, you'll meet ur maker one day, u should be ashamed on your comments.


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