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Red Mosque siege survivor speaks

Posted: Friday, August 03, 2007 7:21 AM
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Habiba Aslam surprised me.

I expected her to cry, or at least show some emotion, as she recalled the ordeal she went through when Pakistani commandos stormed Islamabad’s Red Mosque compound three weeks ago.

"I saw some of my classmates die before my eyes," Aslam, a 20-year-old student at the Red Mosque madrassah (religious school), told me matter-of -factly. 

Carol Grisanti / NBC News

Habiba Aslam, a survivor of the Red Mosque siege in Islamabad, Pakistan.

"We saved ourselves with our burqas (head to toe garment) by wetting the cloth and breathing into it. The tear gas was so intense, the smoke from fires was suffocating and the gunfire so deafening, we all thought we would die."   

At the beginning of July, the Red Mosque, a well-known center for radical Islamic teaching  and it’s adjoining girls’ religious school, housing several thousand students, was stormed by Pakistan army special forces after a six month standoff between the government and the Islamic extremists inside the compound.

The mosque’s clerics had provoked and embarrassed the government of President Gen. Pervez Musharraf by calling for jihad against his government, and attempting to establish Taliban-style laws in the country’s capital.

Intense attack
Alsam explained how the siege began: "At 11:30 a.m., we were studying when suddenly from the windows we saw security forces erecting barbed wire all around our buildings." As she spoke, only her orange painted fingernails were visible from under the concealing black layers of clothing covering her entire body.

"Then the security forces started shelling us with tear gas and shooting at us. Two of my friends were martyred that morning. They were shot in their backs."

"Why didn’t you leave after that?" I asked. "The security forces were begging all of you to leave before they stormed the building. What about your family? Did they not come for you?"

The black burqa covered most of Aslam’s eyes. I searched for some expression, but couldn’t find any. I focused on her bright orange nails.

"My father came," she said. "He told me he wouldn’t leave the place until he took me with him. Those were the last words he spoke to me," she said. "He has been missing ever since – I am sure he was either martyred or arrested."

The government had erected tents for all the parents who had come for news of their children and to take them home. Aslam’s father, an electrician at the Islamabad National Institute of Health, had come to find her.  

Defiant resistance
Since the siege, Aslam is now back in her parents’ small, bare, four-room apartment in Islamabad living with her seven siblings. The living room where we met was sparsely furnished – it consisted of two single beds and a chair pushed against a wall, with a small plain wooden table in the middle of the room. The green paint had long chipped off the concrete walls; there were only hints of it left. No pictures or decorations were hanging and no traditional carpets adorned the naked stone floor.  

I sat on one of the beds covered with a black and white moth-eaten fabric. Aslam and her 18-year-old brother sat across from me on the other bed. The broiling July sun streamed relentlessly thru the one window. The ceiling fan creaked and groaned, but was no match for the sizzling heat.

"I shared my room [at the madrassah] with 10 other girls" Aslam told me. "The firing was so intense during those eight days of the siege, we couldn’t leave our room."

I asked her how she survived the assault. "The army cut off our electricity, water and gas," she said. "The first couple of days, we burned our desks to cook rice and potatoes, then the food ran out. We survived by eating leaves."

"I never cried, not even once," she said almost defiantly. "We were fighting for the protection of our madrassah. It was our home and we were fighting to protect our home."

"When the security forces sprinkled gasoline around the outside of our rooms, they gave us half an hour to come out or die from the flames. No one obeyed their warning, but more than 40 of my friends died in the fires. They suffocated to death."

Nearly expressionless
I kept wondering how Aslam really felt about the ordeal, but she was inaccessible – her screen of black clothing divided us. She was expressionless; so was I.

"You see," she said, raising her voice just a little to make sure I understood, "after the security forces started those fires, there was thunder and lightning, followed by very heavy rains, which extinguished the fires around my room. Allah had willed I should live. I had wished martyrdom, but Allah had saved me to continue the struggle."

Aslam said she was often confused during the eight-day siege of the Red Mosque compound. At times, she thought it was all a very bad dream from which she would wake. Other times, she felt she had already died and was looking back on her previous life.

I asked her if I could meet her mother. She took me into another room where her mother was cooking over a burning stove. Then a surprise – Aslam lifted her veil and smiled at me.

She had a plain but pleasant face with patches of adolescent pimples. She seemed so vulnerable without her burqa shield.

"He who is afraid of death, death chases him," she said, her eyes soft and glistening. "He who isn’t afraid, death runs from him."

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THIS IS SAD...REALLY SAD...HOW CAN THESE PEOPLE BE SO BRAIN WASHED
What do you want from me? Sympathy?  When did schools become warehouses for guns? When did schools become the center of armed resistance against the governments. I am very sorry that innocent prople are subject to such sensless violence but what I know about this school in the months prior to the assult was that the leaders of the school were using the students to advance a particular from of religious theocracy in the regioun. The religious leaders used the children of the school to advance their own adgenda and those leaders should be placed in prisons for the endangerment of innocent lives.
No sympathy.

"The mosque’s clerics had provoked and embarrassed the government of President Gen. Pervez Musharraf by calling for jihad against his government, and attempting to establish Taliban-style laws in the country’s capital."

Government by its nature isn't perfect. But inciting violence to establish a different imperfect government is worse. She should have worked to change the religeous clerics approach - or fought them.  
What the Moslem world needs is birth control.  8 kids in a 2 room hovel... no wonder the want to kill themselves and anyone that has better.  We should have not supported religious fanatics over the Communists.  Communism is definatly a step forward for the third world.
One word:  IDIOT - these backwards fools are going to be the death of us all.  Its time America stands up and stop pussy footing around with the likes of these people.
I wonder why you are so obviously glorifying this young woman's "stuggle" when the struggle ultimately supports anarchy-death-dictatorship then oppression!
This is not a struggle for political or material gains. There is a strong ideological motive behind, whether it is right or wrong is another matter, but there is a motive, not just worldly.
hello- i am 70+1/2/not atypist/msnbc teaches me a hella lot/these people are TOTALLY controlles by their ''religion''so sad/in vcv we have perhaps 200,000 persians.\/iranians-they wood like to be part of canada/no t MY FAVOURITECOUNTRY-usa. I am jdenis huggard/604 926 3661/i am assissting many usa based financial pros/without exstacting HUGE sums-good reporting/what the hell would i do without internet
They are nothing but a bunch of Wacko"s
I feel sorry for these poor misled people.  They live in the savage past of their culture and base their entire existence upon hate and ignorance.......  Nevertheless, if martyrdom is what they seek then they should be obliged.......
It shows the naivity these girls have regararding their actions.Not once did she mention to you that those seciruty forces were also protecting their home (their homeland)and that they were also following God's will to fight terrorists.These inncoent kids are brain washed by Mullahs and as those 40 of her girl friends burned to their deaths...how innocent and stupid of them to think they were martyred...not obeying the law of their govt. is not jihad no matter how loudly they proclaim it to be so. if anything they have the blood of those innocent security official who gave thier lives while following and defending the law.
Why take a picture of anyone in a burqa? There is nothing to photograph. Take a picture of a pile of black fabric instead.
sounds like a typical cult.  Just listen to her state everyone was "martyred".
This woman speaks like a one-sided ludicrously biased robot.
What a horrible situation... and brainwashing.. I love the courage of those who tell others to die for Martyrdm and Allah..People who ask others to strap a bomb to their chest yet never seem willing to do it themselves... MUCH like the head of the red Mosque who was caught sneaking out of the facility dressed like a woman...
I found her tale a tad crazy. Forty of her classmates died after the government troops poured gasoline and set fire to the compound. Then a torrential downpour (from Allah no less) saved her.
I wonder if these students had rolls of quarters in their pockets...
Yep these people like the Red Mosque crowd are in a cult like state. To put it simply they have lost it. Totally brain washed.


All they want is death. But not death by suicide,but by being killed by someone else. Some one they consider an enemy because only then will they be considered martyrs.

They are crazy!





Every one reaps what they sow. Israel, Philistene, Russia, Afganistan, Taliban and now Pakistan.

Have not all these created by so called developed and advanced people?
Nothing a little martyrdom can't handle. "I had wished martyrdom, but Allah had saved me to continue the struggle." Well, If you wished martyrdom, why did you wet your burqa and breath through it? Stupid idiot. Nice job not crying once for your 40 dead friends you watched die. It's rediculous when a religion that is supposed to teach you love and compassion makes you so heartless. If Allah is so involved in your life enough to make it rain to save you from the fire, then why doesn't he end your "struggle". You radical Muslims are so stupid. Maybe Allah makes you struggle so much because you deserve a crappy life.
It is sad that in this age of such advanced communications throughout the world, that not everyone uses what's available to learn about each other's beliefs.  Further, it is a shame that we who don't understand each other beliefs, choose to fight and die over them instead of 'allowing' them each to exist in a communicative, collaborative, respectful way. It is sad reality in many places around the globe and fighting will never solve it.
It is a sad situation. The government needs to spend money to teach and make children well rounded with education both in science and technology and in Religion. This way they could have a balance in life.

Life is a very precious commodity whether it is of a government soldier or a young madrassah kid or an outsider. Hope this is the lesson that comes out of it. Rules should be made in the Parliment by a duly elected legislature in a free and fair election
Martyrdom?  In this day and age, that kind of old Islamic thinking is ridiculous. These ignorant people are so brain washed, that we ought to martyr all of them, by going into N.W. Pakistan, whether they like it or not, and kill OBL and his cronies. Those guys are the epitome of evil, yet these young, brain washed kids are lining up to die. For what? HELL!  
Some marriages in that country as in others around it are arranged and the arrangement in so many cases is that the child marries his/her fist cousin. It is a well known fact that offsprings from such marriages are mentally unstable, so we should not expect anything but fanaticism.
In an opposite view, in the United States we have violent crime and the answer is imprisonment with possible/probably early release; to commit crimes again. In the views of the middle east, we are stupid because we do not elimenate our problems but allow them to strike again.
Both sides criticize too quickly. We are each trying to get the other to be like ourselves instead of trying to live with each other, without harm to one another.
That is the main purpose of burqa.... not to show piece women just like in "Modern" and "enlightened" countries where women and their bodies have become nothing other than a show piece for the lusty eyes of men..... burqa is a beautiful protection for the women, not a restriction.
It is interesting to read these posting suggesting she is warped and brainwashed.  While most Americans believed GWB, even though he lied over and over and over.  Even today there are # of Americans that believe what the GWB said.  I do not see any difference between them and this girl.....
People there are just as "brainwashed" by their religion as many are here in the U.S. Wake up, people. News media gives people like Pat Robertson and Fred Phelps free rein to spew similar vehement sentiments as their Islamic cousins, which in turn encourages violence in the name of religion. This is centuries old and nothing new.
Many God have mercy on their souls.
I feel sorry for her as I know she is not at fault for the beliefs she has been fed, still I relize she could be the next bomber walking into a market to kill in the name of god. How do we deal with the few preachers who promote hate and perpetuate this madness? Saddam would have just killed them all. Will we be driven to such lowness.
of course no sympathy from the "Christian" nation. lol. ofcourse u never use violence to get rid of an imperfect government and establish another imperfect government!!! hmmm, what kind of dummy would ever do that??? hmmmmm. ofcourse those brave Pakistani soldiers were just doing their job, just like the dozen other times they've just done their job so well according to our own governments reports on their human rights records. lol. the good thing here is that we are all trying to understand people of a culture totally different from ours and are not resorting to the self righteousness of our "superiority" or lumping millions of people into a general category. and ofcourse lets bring God into this since the New Testament is filled with examples of how we should not wait for God to render judgement and instead take it upon ourselves to do it for him, i can hear pat robertson somewhere utttering a prayer right now for the bombs to start raining down as if divine will from above or maybe he is still just praying for the death of a supreme court judge or hugo chavez, sounds so much better than praying to Allah for your enemies deaths, but what kind of person does that? well at least we can always stand for truth and justice and show those uncivilized people that if you have a government that is good and democratic and kind then we leave you alone just look at our buddies: Jordan, Suadi Arabia (none of those guys have ever messed with us), Iraq (1980's Saddam), Egypt, Qatar, UAE, and so on. all sarcasm aside lets be real for once. first we are never going to defeat terrorism it is a tactic not an opponent. killing innocents should be no more acceptable to us than it is to them, additionally it only creates more vendettas than eliminates them, try remembering the moral of most roman and greek mythology stories (AKA circle of violence, AKA never ending revenge). i believe this country of ours is the amongst the best if not the best place to live but i dont put blinders on and pretend as if we are perfect or have any more right to live and hope than anyone else in any other country just to have cheap gas (although not that cheap). if you really want a wake up call try putting some of the more unsavory comments here right next to the "terrorists" comments of us, and also include some quotes from nazi types in 1940's germany. then you will see where the real disease lies on all sides. HATE and IGNORANCE.
Imagine no religions. Nothing to kill or die for.
--  Time for the followers of this indoctrination to learn that you reap what you sew -- Not very bright at all and don't want to hear it
I feel sorry for this young lady.  She will never know the joy of freedom of speach, religion, dress, do what she wants without the government telling her what to do and how to act.

Thank god for our forefathers......She would love Hillary.
dont be so ignorant and full of hate that it blinds you. The women in the mosque were not armed or fighting. They were killed in cold blood by setting fires and bullets. The army killed as much as possible and they did it freely. Its not a secret anymore in Islamabad that at least 200 women and children have been killed in the raid. These were so called hostages??? (by army n govt). Army never had good intentions either to negotiate. The militants in the mosque agreed to the terms and were going to surrender, but after their agreement, the draft was changed immediately and were given only 1/2 hour to agree or die in the operation. The militants at that point didnt agree cuz they couldnt trust the govt anymore. so both sides are dirty and there is lot of innocent blood spilled in that mosque as well. the fact that govt is hiding the death toll is admission of their guilt.
Good riddance.  The only ones I feel sorry for are the soldiers that were killed and their families.   The islamic crazies got what they deserved.   Hopefully Musharref will take care of a few more of these terrorist training academies soon.
americans posting on this thread are truely ignorant.
people revolt when they have issues with their government. isnt it their "freedom" to go against a government that is corrupt and not listening to the people?

if the government and political process actually worked there maybe they could change it. heck even if it did change the US will most likely attack it with some BS reason and lies.

maybe its not them whose brainwashed but you people are.

just because islam is old doesnt mean it is incorrect. democracy is old as well, does it mean now its outdated and we need a change? how does one determine when an ideology is outdated? every 50 years? every 100 years?
go learn something you idiots
Brainwashed -
Its WorldWideWaco, ..what to do what to do. How do you get brainwashed people to listen to you if there are hundreds+ leaders feeding them this crap? Maybe we should focus on taking out Fanatic Islamic Leaders, get a list and go down, c'mon the mob does it, why can't the CIA get this right.  Don't make it a seceret either......take em out and let the world see.

To have such young people believe so much in what their teachers have told them is scary. To put one's life on line just because your teachers told you to is commendable depending on where you look from. To have such brainwashing power must surely put Christian evangelists to shame. To believe that what one knows is the only truth is a sign of closed-mind and has caused lot of modern day strife and that's the reason Christians and Muslims are at war with each other.

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Burquas are not for the protection of women, the are a tool that men use to excuse their own lust.  Cover the women up from head to to so they dont have to use any self control.  Show an ankle and you asked to be raped.  Let an arm slip out and you are asking for some guys lust to go out of control, either way, its the womans fault.  Men are blameless when hussies allow such "shameless" exposure.
She is very sophisticated in indoctrination techniques.  I would say the reporter needs to leave this type of interview for more highly trained or experienced reporters. I believe this woman is an agent.  Very highly trained.
Relgious fanatics have always been around. We have them right here in our country. If you dont think we have US citizens that would rise up and kill their neighbors if their religious leaders told them to, you're living in a dream world.
Its another example of organized religions being twisted by the warped thoughts of someone who'd been dubbed a "leader". We see this the way our western media wants us to see it. People elsewhere see us as lemmings, following Bush off the cliff. I'm not saying what happened in Pakistan is right or wrong, I'm saying we should put ourselves in the other guys shoes... or burkha... we may not change our minds but at least we'll be looking at the issues more objectively.
Oh, and about it being a "school"? Look back over history and conquering armies always killed the priests and scholars first...followed by anyone truly educated. Nazis, Soviets, Vietnamese, Iranians, Japanese, Chinese, Peruvian rebels,and... Americans. Look how many religious leaders we have at Gitmo.
Who will be Pakistan's Ataturk? Who will shave the beards off the Mullahs, or slit their throats (as Ataturk did in Turkey),and drag that part of the world into the modern age? Poor, poor people, so intelligent and so betrayed by the ultra-ignorant...
Brainwashed? No more so than Christian fundamnetalists.
A word to the wise, protect you secular nation as if your life and freedom depended on it. Because...it does.
No Christian Theocracy in America!
What you want me to sympathize with these religious fanatics.  typical pansy ass liberal media story.  trying to show that these people are victims.  hell no  they are cowards, hiding arms in a mosque.  killing people and then fleeing back to the mosque for protection.  nothing but cowards.  like the palestinians hiding behind a human wall at a mosque.  pure cowards.  wipe them out.
Is a pity to see some part of Pakistan turning back the clock. Brainwashed that is what I will call this kind of religion belief. They need to wake up and smell the roses.
Jonestown...Branch Davidians...The Manson Family...Heaven's Gate...Order of The Solar Temple...The Church of the Lamb of God (Ervil LeBaron)...Shoko Asahara and AUM Supreme Truth (Sarin gas, Tokyo)...The Red Mosque...Taliban...Muslim Brotherhood...Al Qaeda...etc.  All crazy cults based on the idea that they are god's chosen ones.  All brainwash their followers and have caused loss of life.  History has repeated itself at the Red Mosque.
Unfortunately, many world religions start off this way with a core of fervent believers willing to do anything for their god.  Hmmm...makes you think.
Its about time countries like Pakistan start ridding its itself of vermin like this. I only wish the U.S. could storm the Mosques in our country and rid ourselfs of these Muslim vermin.The only way to stop the spread of radical Islam is to follow Pakistans example. And, why does this article seem to be sympathetic towards the girl? WAKE UP! She is a follower of the same teachings of the terrorists we are trying to exterminate in Iraq!
You see so much of the bull from muslims that "Allah" is the one god. Well, a "god" that calls you to murder innocent people, oppress women, and send starving children off to die, while the poo-ba's sit fat and safe, is not my god.  But this "god" has been around a long time, whether he is called Moloch, Baal, Shaitan, or Allah.  And his attributes and followers are still the same - keep the people ignorant, command by terror, and murder anyone who stands for truth.
notice how thier "leaders" never seem to put themselves in harms way.  They just recruit the youngers and convince them that what they do is the will of allah.  was not one of thier "leaders" trying to sneak out in a burqua?
Cut off the head and the body will die....it is not a coincidence that you never see any of the Mullahs who spew the Jihadi hatred particpipating in the suicide bombings...after all one of the two leaders of the Red Mosque tried to sneak out in a burqua...why wasnt he willing to die for the cause?
Our policy should focus on the termination with extreme prejudice of the clerics who are leading these fools...we know where and who these clerics are...it doesnt take super intelligence to send someone into a mosque and get th etenor of the sermon...when these islamic cowards understnad that they are now the targets we will see how many are ready to die for what they espouse...islamic fundamentalism is nothing but the replacement of secular dictators with religious ones...after all do the iranians have more freedom under the Mullahs than they did under the Shah?....were the Shah's secret police any worse than the current morals police?
Cut off the head and the body will die
This whole thing is kind of scary. Pakistan has nukes.
If Musharraff falls, the mullahs (including their Taliban friends) who take over will have a nuclear arsenal at their fingertips.
What's equally as frightening are the contingency plans India has for the possibility of Islamic revolution in Pakistan. (And you KNOW they have plans in place)
Pre-emptive strikes against Paki command-and-control facilities with nuclear warheads during the chaos?


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