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Iraqis dying to tell the story

Posted: Monday, July 16, 2007 11:49 AM
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Khalid Hassan was irrepressible. In the days after Baghdad fell, he would drop by my office with the most positive outlook of anyone I’d ever seen. It was only after I got to know him better that I realized how even more remarkable that was.

After Saddam was toppled, the dream of a better life went horribly wrong for Palestinian-Iraqi families like Khalid’s much sooner than for most Iraqis. Iraqis blamed even Palestinians born here for supporting Saddam while he was in power and drove thousands of them out of their homes. When I met Khalid four years ago, his family had taken shelter in a school. It was a fact that he mentioned in passing with a rueful and still hopeful smile – hopeful that everything would turn out OK.

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Khalid Hassan, the New York Times reporter killed in Iraq last week, with NBC News' Kianne Sadeq, left, and Jane Arraf during happier times.

For a while it did. He got a job he loved with the New York Times, a steady paycheck, moved his parents and sisters into an apartment and delighted in the long black leather jacket and trendy clothes he was able to buy. His father was shot and wounded driving a taxi and his family depended on him more than ever.

On Thursday, Khalid was driving to work in southwest Baghdad when gunmen forced his car off the road and opened fire, according to his employers. He survived the first bullet and called his family to tell them he was OK And then incredibly, a second group of gunmen came back and shot this remarkable 23-year-old with the sweet, rueful smile in the head. 

Absorbing that news it felt as if the earth should stop turning for a while. The same way it seems incomprehensible that life rolls on after every sudden death of a friend or colleague or family member that leaves the world you know much sadder and smaller.

Not the only one
Khalid wasn’t the only Iraqi journalist to die last week.

Namir Nour al-Deen was 22 and a Reuters photographer. He and his driver and assistant Saeed Chmagh were killed during a battle between the U.S. Army and Shiite insurgents in Eastern Baghdad on Thursday. Namir had called a colleague to say he was taking pictures of a damaged building. Witnesses say he died in a U.S. airstrike.

Reuters ran some of his photos in tribute – some were more grim than many Americans will ever see in their newspapers: the outline of a charred body burning in a bombed minibus, a man picking up body parts from the street. Others were signposts of what he’d seen his country become in the past four years – a tangled bridge plunging cars into the river, children turned into refugees.

File photo of Reuters photographer Namir Noor-Eldeen smiling in Baghdad

Slideshow: See some of the images Reuters photographer Namir Nour al-Deen took of the war that ultimately took his life.

When the two were buried, other photographers took the kind of photos Namir would have taken at other people’s funerals – the face of Chmagh’s son twisted in grief as he clung to the vehicle carrying the coffin, his grieving father in a wheelchair.

Bearing witness
While I was on a military embed for a website in May, I ended up with U.S. army medics in a mosque in Baghdad as they treated Iraqis shot in clashes with al-Qaida.

Time seemed to stop as they brought in the wounded – one of them an off-duty Iraqi cameraman for APTN. He died on the floor, two of his brothers by his side. I translated when I could for the Americans treating the Iraqis.

When they didn’t need me I asked his brother if I could take photos. "Take them," he said. So I did, trying to capture the frantic effort to save him, the inconsolable grief and rage when he died, and the anguished loneliness of his younger brother keeping vigil by his coffin as the shadows lengthened in the mosque.

"How could you take those pictures?" a friend asked me later in horror. I imagine, like a lot of readers might, he thought it was ghoulish. I tried to explain that that was what we do. We bear witness. That to have not taken photos would have made me a tourist, a voyeur. It was important for someone who had seen and documented so much grief in his country that his own suffering shouldn’t go unheard.

Sometimes I think the news is like shrink-wrapped steak in the supermarket. People are happy to have it but don’t really think very much about how it got there. A lot of the information and images people get in their newspapers or on the Internet, a lot of the video they see on their TV screens comes from local reporters, translators, photographers and cameramen whose names they will never know.

The interpreters – the difference between accurate information and serious misunderstandings – are particularly anonymous. A third Reuters employee – a translator – was killed last week – shot dead in Baghdad. His name was withheld to protect his family.

Even further below on the safety rung are freelance cameramen who get paid only for the video they manage to sell. One of them showed up yesterday with footage of former insurgents who had teamed up with U.S. forces west of Baghdad. He had likely risked his life to get the footage. We told him we’d done that story and he went away to try to interest someone else.

The Committee to Protect Journalists says 110 journalists and 40 people working with them have been killed in this war – most of them are Iraqis. That may not seem like a large number but it’s a huge proportion of journalists.

For most of us, not an uneventful day goes by that we don’t consider ourselves and our colleagues really lucky.

On Sunday a large boom rattled the windows in our relatively safe neighborhood.  It was a car bomb exploding on the very corner where a day before our Iraqi crew had been out interviewing street vendors about what they thought about U.S. troops pulling out. An anonymous news agency photographer took video of smoke rising from the blast and his agency sent the images around the world.

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Saying that we should have done this or should have done that does nothing to improve the situation.  Standing on the sidelines and complaining about the game can be done by anyone with a mouth.  War is war.  It is fundamentally the same now as 2,000 years ago, with its atrocities and injustices.  If you are truly opposed to the war, do something other than complain.  An impeachment trial will not help any person alive in Iraq, and that is one good reason why it hasn't happened.  Reporters are there voluntarily and get paid for their work.  Journalism is competitive and reporters and photographers want that big scoop or shot that sets them apart.
Saying that we should have done this or should have done that does nothing to improve the situation.  Standing on the sidelines and complaining about the game can be done by anyone with a mouth.  War is war.  It is fundamentally the same now as 2,000 years ago, with its atrocities and injustices.  If you are truly opposed to the war, do something other than complain.  An impeachment trial will not help any person alive in Iraq, and that is one good reason why it hasn't happened.  Reporters are there voluntarily and get paid for their work.  Journalism is competitive and reporters and photographers want that big scoop or shot that sets them apart.
They can't take on the radicals. Their religion *requires* them to give preferential treatment to the worst sinners within their religion over any nonbeliever. It's one thing to ask people to stay out of the fight, but it's another thing entirely to ask them to join you in going to hell.

Islam doesn't need a Crusade, it needs a Reformation.
I feel really the loss that those close to the reporters feel.
I feel sad for the loss of those freedoms here in America that we supposedly fought for in Vietnam, at least that is what they told us in Pairs Island Bootcamp.....almost 40 years ago.
I just hope to God that when the Iraqi war vets return home to America they will be given better treatment than we were...Viet Vets..
So please end Iraqi war vets homelesness....brought on by greedy real estate brokers who's greed will never be satisfied and the rents just keep going up.
Meanwhile reporters like Daniel Perle and those brave Iraqi reporters.......well lets hope that their sacrifices to bring us the news, will never be forgotten. Because without the news folks, the truth will never come out. And wouldn't the radical killing Jihadists just love that.    
You nimrods who think in such simple minded terms our 'decider' has endlessly repeated really peave me. I find it hard to believe after all that has come to pass that cheney/bush have any supporters left. Wake up!
It is not about good vs. evil. Everyone of us is both and we all in the end want the same things. The solution to the killing is not more killing. Peace can not be achieved with guns and bombs. We need to try to understand what our 'enemies' are trying to say. Peace can be reached. We just need the right leaders.
If we leave Iraq before the job is done, we will pay such a high price, and ten times more lives will be lost; the middle east will go up in flames, and so will Jordan, Saudia Arabia, and other country's in the area...let alone a great lose to our country and others, say what you will. of oil. The price of fuel will be ten dollers a gal.and then listen to the complaints from those who do not see the bigger picture. It boggles the mind how little others know about the real world problems, and the congress of both party's are running second in the race. We all are so spoiled the way we live today, that we won't even give up one luxury to protect our freedom. Chamberlain thought he had it right, and it blew up in his face, and then we had the big war. God help us.
Unfortuately, Journalists die reporting the truth and Soldiers die trying to protect the freedom of truth. The real truth here is that, with rare exception, our elected officials did the "blindly we follow" routine. Now they do the "I did not know" routine. We as voters, rightfully, depend on our representatives to make decisions based on true and sound information. Peggy Thomspon is correct that our elected officials are re-elected obsessed and "GOD" knows they want to protect their fantastic retirement plans. We elected them and we can un-elect them in 2008. We are fighting two wars. The Iraq War and our own Border Security War. We need to end the War in Iraq and concentrate on the assult of our own borders. Not every threat on our country will come directly from the Middle East. It will come from the terrorist that enter our country through unprotected borders. We are not protected. Look at the shameful attempt by Congress to pass legislation that would help. Since they cannot have everything they want they pout and blame their counterparts and pass on a great opportunity to do something, anything that would get us on the road to a solution. I guess the 2008 elections are more important than our security. We should all have the lofty positions and lifetime retirement plans that require no accountability.
As a relative external opinion to all of this (there is obbiously and influence on us as well as neighbors of your country) I can say that its understandable how everything Bush is doing is protect the American way of life. Maybe not by the most humane means possible, but bashing of his actions without fully understanding them or without proposing a better solution is just wrong. Let us remember that the people running the country are all educated from some of the best schools and best thinkers in the world. Always speak up! But love your country also.

Greetings to all.
I think we should send all of the reporters from NBC there! That would be a lot of bonus points!
Most demo/liberals are so full of hate for Bush that want to blame everything that goes bad on him.
War is ugly and unfortunetly is some times necessary to defend the country. I don't like it and I may not like Bush, but he is the President and the Commander in Chief, AND WE ARE AT WAR AGAINST THE CRAZY MUSLIMS WHO WANT TO DESTROY US.
Demo/liberals seem to want all of us to become muslims or beheaded by those barbarians in order to be politicaly correct.
Our armed forces should be used to fight terrorists anywhere they are, before they come to the U.S.(again) and kill a bunch of us, civilian men, women and children.
I fully supported Bush as did many citizens and congressmen when we first looked at the reasons TO invade. I still think Bush has the best of intentions to try to support freedoms and civil liberties to the people of Iraq that they were without during Saddam's reign of terror. With that said, I think we all underestimated the hatred between the Shiites, Kurds, and Sunnis and the ability of those sponsering terrorism to fuel that hatred. I an now skeptic of success in Iraq until there are more like Khalid Hassan who embrace the opportunity for freedom for all Iraqis.
Folks No one likes war,but you know our solder's read all the stories of people putting down what they are fightting for,we are to support them,they are fightting to keep us safe here in the US!! (9/11) People was in our country,look how many died and they did nothing but go to work that day!Don't it make you feel safer knowing when u go to sleep at night,you will wake to see you kids,ur husband ur wife?our men and women fight to save our life and trying to bring some peace to the Iraqi citizens also!Bush may have made a few mistakes But so has many of other men in office! Before we put down Bush when you go out today or sit with ur family to have a meal look around and look at all the lives he has saved,you ,ur mate a son a daughter,a friend!If we didn't fight there,it would be here,as we all saw in 9/11!I have some really close friends/family soldiers over there fightting for us! Lets not forget Bush was also the one that fought to get the soldiers the stuff they need to do there Job when it was held up because gov. didn't want to spend more money on stuff!Bush made sure there was computers so family get to talk and see there family there!Holidays they get a meal thats just like home!They get RR,time to fly away and pull them self together! Many of our soldiers have  touched the lifes of the Iraqi citizens ,in ways that they would have never known.what have you done to help our men and women there?I send out care packs monthly,our men and women love them!! It shows we care,why don't all of you that have done nothen for them,find a list of what is needed,they are everywhere on the net,and just send a few things or take it to a group and let them send it,if you can't afford to buy things sit down at ur pc and just write a few thank you,we miss you letter to soldiers,and get them sent,it don't matter if the one that gets ur letter knows you or not,to a soldier it brings a smile,peace and love!! sorry this is long lets just support our country,if we don't who will??
Yes Saddam killed his people...but why did he do it.  Because they were trying to assassinate him.  What would the CIA do if someone tried to assassinate our President?  I bet they would not hesistate to kill them.  Saddam was a bad person but in the middle east you need a bad person to keep people in line.
mr bush tell the world what we are doing in Iraq. so far no one has told me. I would really like to know.
Well,it's not like the reporters volunteered to go kill innocent Iraqis.  They volunteered to report stories.

It is more of a shame that a reporter die for this war, than should a new recruit die for the war.
I am a 54 yr. old veteran, all of my life I have heard that death, dismemberment, the loss of loved ones etc. is the price that we must pay for freedom. I have never heard anyone question this. We must begin questioning this belief system.
This and many other horrendous acts of violence agains Local Nationals and US service members is the reason for the US to be more "active" in combating insurgents/terrorists/cowards in Baghdad and in the rest of the country! Action, strong military action (US Military), is the only solution in a country where many (perhaps as much as 69%)of their Army and their Government members are in collusion with the evil men who conduct such vile acts of terror! The need for action is a grave one to be certain, but who will do it? Who can do it? And Why? And is Diplomacy the solution? This last one is most certainly a NO! It has been let loos, diplomacy, for some time now and it has failed miserably! Act! Do it! Don't talk about doing it! Do it!
Ah, the arrogance that we demonstrate -- do we really think that we can summarize the reasons we went to war in a sound bite? or a journalist's story? Politicians think we are stupid and they spout off one liners to make themselves look better but at the end of the day there is too much history and economics that we will never understand that made us go to war. We may never know why we went, the only thing we can do is vote for people that represent our views and hope for the best. God bless the soldiers and their families
It is sad that people have to risk their very lives to do any job- especially if there is not much opportunity and the choice is to be destitute or take a dangerous job.  I salute all those "over there", not just workers or soldiers- there have been way more plain old people killed than any other sector of society.

The thing about the whole situation that I cannot identify with is the people doing the bombing and the executions, hundreds a day- what is their motivation, can anything in the universe actually justify what they're doing?  I do not believe so.
I don't believe freedom is won by killing, or fighting.  Ultimately, freedom is won through education, money, and understanding.  If you look at any civilization in history, you might be tempted to say freedom was granted through a paticular war or event.  I would say freedom was on its way one way or another.  The corrupt can only remain in power so long.  Wars cost everthing and gain nothing the French Revolution brought down a King who trying to improve the quality of life for all.  It did not bring down the responsible parties only the sons of the responsible parties.  War is revenge!  Revenge is rarely appropriate.  

Any reporter trying to make a difference showing the truth, I thank you.  The soldier who come home and in conflict with their experiences and what is depicted on TV and in the press.  I apologize.  War is hell, and having to pretend it isn't is worse!
I have one critical question that I'd like you to answer --- Who pulled the trigger that ended the live of Khalid Hassan?  Was it a policy?  Was it an American soldier?  Was it George Bush?  Or was it a fellow Iraqi citizen.  He would not have died if one of his own didn't decide to murder him.  Iraqis are dead set on destroying one another and there is nothing anyone is going to be able to do about it.
The army is a sledgehammer, not a scalpel. Take them off their leash, and let them do what they do best. When do we finally have to realize that we have to take the gloves off to gain the upper hand? Why do we have to wait to be attacked to defend ourselves? Would you rather fight in New York or Baghdad? Washington or Tikrit? Do you all honestly believe if we pulled out of Iraq that all of a sudden the terrorists would leave us alone? Come on...
  Quite right. Saddam was a terrible leader. He comitted attrocities against the people of his country and neighboring countries.
  Of course at the time he was our ally. He was using the weapons and expertise we shared with him to hold supress the shiites.
  Why is it that so little conversation has been made of our role in enabling and even instigating the attrocities that he was condemned to hang for?
  Because we don't want to know. We want to believe that GOD annointed US to rule the world for the sake of the world. We want to believe that our leaders share our values and are care about all of us. The rest of the world does not share our need to believe in the righteousness of America's actions. They are busy discussing what we have done to them, not how we justified it to ourselves.
  We don't want to know about generations around the world trying to live under the despicable rulers we have propped up to serve our interests. We don't want to believe that people hate us because we supplied the weapons and expertise that were used to enslave them, tortue them, kill their loved ones.

  This is not a republican thing. It is not a democratic thing. It is an American thing. If we want America to be what we tell our kids it is the time is now to stand up for what is right and decent.
Saddam's brutal regime killed more Iraqi's than the US instigated invasion, but Iraq was given a chance to live in freedom. They must now be strong in ridding themselves of the fanatics who are causing all the problems,and not leave the initiative to the US forces. God bless the brave reporters (Iraqi especially)who daily risk their lives to bring us the TRUTH .

 Bush underestimated the evil of Al Qaeda and islam
There is no way you can fight these murderers He tried to be their saviour and only Christ can do that His mission will fail but in some ways you cant blame him for trying Im so tired of people claiming that we
are the problem in Iraq No islam is the problem not only in Iraq but in the world It is like cancer and if you get cancer what do you do you get it removed You dont say Ill leave the cancer and hope it finds peace with my body
When you choose to become a Reporter, reporting from the middle of a war zone there are risks that have to be taken. If you can't handle the heat than get out of the fire, that's why you make the big bucks. I feel for the people that are losing loved ones, I have lost my oldest son and know the pain that comes with it.For those of you who think that American Tv should show the horror of those dying, then show how OUR soldiers (OUR KIDS)are losing their lives in this war! Not the Irquis reporters that choose to do what they do and are being paid very well for doing it!
 
     Its obvious why we havent found Bin Laden Ill bet you anything hes in Pakistan hiding behind a burqa so he wont be recognized .If islam is the truth,
Mr Bin Laden show up in person neither Christ nor your mascot Mohammed hid behind a burqa like a coward
The armed forces of USA are at war and under attack.The american public is at Walmart,on vacation,or watching american idol on tv. congress sits in lala land inside the beltway, while precious american blood and the blood of others spills into the sands of Iraq. what is it going to take? If you think the worst is yet to come your right.Thanks to the many reporters who have given all their tomorrows so that we can see what is coming in our tomorrow.if we don't stay focused on the mission.
This is a "war" we will never win.  I get so sick of hearing that this war is "winnable".  Just because we have not been attacked again in 5 years is not necessarily a credit to Bush.  We know its coming again soon, they are warning us THIS SUMMER. I shudder to envision the world my kids are going to live in because all of this is going to "hit home" again very soon when they strike on US soil.  As for the war in Iraq, it saddens me to think of all of the children who are without parents, siblings, or even killed themselves because one man is after OIL.  Americans, get your butts off the couch and take an active role.
"What is really frightening is that we have almost 30% of Americans who still support Bush and believe that the president has done a good job, according to the polls!!! Have they heard about the two million of Iraqi refugees - with hundreds of thousands of civilians dead "
Polls are polls, seldom do they have more than 1K responses.
Polls put Harry Truman at 25% or less during the Korean War.

The low confidence numbers are from the Newsweek Poll.
Newsweek is the rag that ignited worldwide rioting with its phony Koran flushing story.

Face it, the Media can no longer be trusted to get a story straight even when they try, and they seldom try anymore. They want circulation and feeding a target audience gets them what they want in return for feeding the target what it wants to hear.
Boy do some of you commenters have tunnel vision.  I watch and read the news, over the tv, on the internet and in newspapers/magazines.  I don't see where NBC/MSNBC have a lot of bias.  They present stories from both the soldiers point of view and the Iraqi citizen point of view.  Seems as though a lot of your ears prick up when you see a story you don't like.  Looks like bias on the part of the commenter, not the reporters.  At least they are brave enough to be there reporting the story, instead of armchair quarterbacking.
I hate to be saying this, but in the end it will take another Sadam to pound peace into Iraq. We need to consider the history if we are to help with a solution. We could never accept the solution, so what are we doing here? Is it really the oil? As a republican this is the most embarasing time in history for me. I wish i knew how i could help for my kids sake.
 I live on the island of Maui and I have several Jewish friends here.  One of my friends had a relative that had just arrived and we were discussing politics and US/Isreali relations.  He asked me something interesting and perhaps one of your readers can address his question.  He said, 'I really don't undestand you Americans.'  I said, 'What do you mean.'  To which he responded, 'What side are you on?'  'On the Isreali side, of course,' I said.   'You get all this aid from the US not to mention military force to fight your enemies.'  
'That is all true, however, when we use our arms, which we get from you, to fight our enemies and we confiscate their weapons, without exception, every weapon we take from our enemy says 'MADE IN AMERICA'.  So I ask you what side are you on?'

My point for writing this is to simply say, from my point of view, that we are fighting only to expand the comsumer base.  It has absolutely nothing to do with 'freedom', unless you are discussing our freedom to be a consumer.  Once Costco, Mcdonalds and Wal-Mart settle in the war will stop.  Just watch......
The conflict in Iraq is a struggle against a modern society in which the people of that country can achive greatness, and on the other side a group of religeous fanatics who wish to turn back the clock to a time of male superiority, abject poverty, and a religious edict that promotes absolute hatred and intolerance. The U.S.does have a commitment to help these people to conquer this evil. It has been done over and over in history, if it had not, America could never have existed. This is a pivotal time in world history. If we had bailed in WWII after liberating France, do you really think everything would have been honky-dory? I pray for the decent people of Iraq, and hope that ALL of us can help bring about a lasting peace there.
A house divided against itself will always fall. Americans will never be conquered by the foes ouside our borders.  We are doing an excellent job of destroying ourselves from within with our critcal sarcasm and me--ism. I wonder if we will come together when we have a Saddam of our own?????
I was browsing on my computer the other day and found someone who was a writer and whos words affected me because they are so pertenent to today. His words were a statement he wanted to make bfore a Congressional hearing. The hearing was before the House on Un- Amenrican Activities. His name is John Howard Lawson.

As history has showed us many lives were ruined by this committee, many peoples rights were violated out of fear. I would like to share some of his words to anyone who wishes to read them. His words showed me haw little we have learned and how politicians can control us by using fear.

Statement of John Howard Lawson to the committe which they refused to put into the Congressional Record

"It is my profound conviction that it is precisely because I hold these beliefs that I have been hailed before this illegal court. These are the beliefs that the so-called Un-American Activities Committee is seeking to root out in order to subvert orderly government and establish an autocratic dictatorship.

Today, we face a serious crisis in the determination of national policy. The only way to solve that crisis is by free discussion. Americans must know the facts. The only plot against American safety is the plot to conceal facts.

They’re afraid of the American people. They don’t want to muzzle me. They want to muzzle public opinion. They want to muzzle the great Voice of democracy. Because they’re conspiring against the American way of life."

I found this document in Wikipedia and I believe his words are so pertinet to what is happening today. The politicians are once again using fear to control us. Bush or his cronies are on the TV everday "saying keep them there not here. We need to have this war to protect Americans." How sensless is this argument.

The Patriot Act is an act to control America and to take away some of our most sacred rights. This act was written when the politicians were in a state of fear which was falsely created by Bush and Cheney.

Wake up America it is not the terrorists we need to fear it is those who are in power in this country who want to control us with fear and distroy our Constitution, which they swore to uphold.
To all the journalists in Iraq:You are our only window into this world of murder and mayhem. President Bush won't allow photographs to be published of returning war dead to the States. Keep the truth alive through your witness, strength, courage and empathy for the human spirit. Through your on site coverage of this inhumane travesty we are aware of what our President and his cohorts are not. A picture says a thousand words, our administration has their blinders on and their pockets full of Halliburton ill gotten gains. And to  all the fighting factions in Iraq: "When will our consciences grow so tender that we will act to prevent human misery rather than avenge it?" Eleanor Roosevelt
The truth of the matter is that anarchy and discord are the natural state of human kind and any form of order (for example, government) is an illusion.  Did anyone even notice the play on words in the title of this article?  A bit “inappropriate”, yes?  Theoretically, yes; that is until you realize that there is no such thing “appropriate” and therefore no such thing as “inappropriate”.  

Call me an optimist, but I do not see the world becoming a killing spree without government.  On the contrary.

Hail Eris!
All hail Discordia!

Hang on for some metaphysics.  The Aneristic Principal is that of ORDER, the Erisitic Principal is that of DISORDER.  On the surface, the Universe seems (to the ignorant) to be ordered; this is the ANERISTIC ILLUSION.  Actually, what order is “there” is imposed on primal chaos in the same sense that a person’s name is draped over his actual self.  It is the job of the scientist, for example, to implement this principal in a practical manner and some are quite brilliant at it.  But on closer examination, order dissolves into disorder, which is the ERISTIC ILLUSION.

Malaclypse the Younger, K.S.C.,
Principia Discordia
Dear Jane, It is so horrible what is happening in that region. This war has caused too much suffering and loss of life. The journalists and photographers are just trying to do their job and do not deserve to be hurt or killed. I am so very sorry for the loss of your friend. I hope everyone keeps as safe always. I really hope peace comes soon! Peace to all!

Adi from Signapore
 
   I think you hit the nail on the head
Thats the point muslims cant be, will not be, and never have been happy people. Are we going to blame Bush for that. Everyone has a choice to be happy or miserable. Islam instills misery so when you exercise misery misery is what you will find  
The longer we stay in Iraq, under any pretext, more Americans and Iraqis die.  We may even surpass Iraqis killed under Saddam if someone takes an accurate count.  Then there are thousands of Americans and Iraqis wounded.  Has anyone given a thought as to how Iraqi hospitals are treating these wounded?  If there are no good choices, let us declare victory and withdraw our soldiers to Iraq's border with Iran and Syria.  Let Iraqis calm the civil strife themselves.
Most Iraqis hate us... More than 80% want us out! Most shias, Sunnis and Kurds curse us daily for the deaths, injuries and refugee status of their relatives and friends, and for our destruction of Iraq. A few greedy Iraqis who make money off of this bloodshed give us sly lip service, but they'll turn on us as soon as it's more profitable...

This war was secretly planned and willfully executed to allow select corporations to make billions of dollars off of lucrative no-bid United States Government contracts. This is the hideous story of greed that needs to be told more fully.

We needed a massive effort in Afghanistan, which easily could have been successful in destroying al Qaida. Afghanistan is where the terrorists were, and we had them on the run. But the Iraq war diverted our efforts and precious resources.. Instead we spent blood and money to build a breeding ground for terrorists in Iraq...the opposite of what Americans wanted to achieve. The terrorists and al Qaida will still be there when we finally leave a destroyed and war-torn Iraq in our wake, probably sometime in 2009 or 2010. We'll also abandon Afghanistan.

There were no terrorists or al Qaida in Iraq before we removed Saddam. Saddam's iron rule was keeping them out. By the way, the Reagan administration gave Saddam billions to fight an illegal war against Iran. Yes, we gave Saddam many billions in logistic and material support to fight that illegal war. That's a true story the media has told, but very few people have ever been prosecuted for this illegal activity.
This is not a war, it is America trying to police a bunch of murdering religious thugs.  16,000 americans are murdered IN America every singe year..look it up, it's true.  Why don't some of you take that cause on.  
What is absolutely amazing to me is that no one seems to understand the realism that is happening in Iraq, Afghanistan, and other parts of the Middle East.  There is a handful of radical extremists who promote murder and lies and then torment the masses for the sole purpose of promoting THEIR beliefs, not those of Allah or God or any other diety.  It is in fact, man against man.  Idiology plays no part in what is happening here.  

The shame, the atrocity is that only one ideal is ready to stand firm against this small handful of hateful, world destructive radicals.  It is the present government of the Untied States of America.  It is the peoples who enjoy the freedoms and liberty of an unsuppressed society who have the fortitude to take the stand and say "Not on my turf!!!!".

Ninety-nine percent of the posters on this blog site have lost all sense of reality.  Have you so soon forgotten the horrific events of 09-11-2001?  Would you have that happen again, again, and again?  Have you been so untouched that you said, "Well it did not happen in my backyard, so I am not concerned?".  Believe this, it will happen in your backyard and it will happen sooner than you think if the US pulls out if Iraq and the Middle East.

Look at history, recent history, the European nations said the same thing about Hitler's Germany and the "mighty" Third Reicht.  That war was not only about eradicating the Jewish population of Europe and the world, but about the extermination of EVERYONE who thought, acted, and felt differently than Hitler and his henchmen.

Enough said.

In the future, our presence in Iraq will be huge.  This isn't going to be just one war in the middle east, It's going to be a series.  People are treating this as one un-justifiable war, well, we're placing our chess pieces, because thats what nations have to do to survive.  The world is smaller now, isolationism wont work, what else is there?  Oh and yes, the United States' survival is threatened.
If the US wasn't in Iraq several hundred thousand innocent civilians wouldn't be getting killed and injured. Iraqi war refugees would not be fleeing Iraq by the hundreds of thousands, and Iraqi's infrastructure wouldn't be getting destroyed and millions of Iraqis wouldn't be destitute. This illegal war diverted and ruined our lawful and important mission in Afghanistan.
Lets take a look at history and what it teaches us.
The moslems want everyone in the world to become one
of them. For over a thousand years this battle has
been going on. Until they decide that other religons
have a right to be left alone this war will go on.
therefore as long as we have the will to fight we
will remain free to live as we wish if not you had
better start learning the koran. I hope that (if there are moderates)that moslems can see that sending
kids out to blow themselves up or young adults doing
the same thing isn't the answer. We should never give into this and fight them at ever place that we can  
Have we forgot 911 lets do this and  come home bring
our boys home and fight them in street we did not
start this fightGODBLESS BUSH for keeping it in iraq
AND NOT IN ARE BACK YARD
War
I have been there
it's of no good
every minute
wrong

Makes me none
what flag you wave,
or what foolishness
you pray,

We are creating hell
where heaven belongs


tony porto


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