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A light moment in Baghdad, sort of

Posted: Thursday, July 12, 2007 11:46 AM
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"Didn’t think there was that much cash in Iraq," said one of our correspondents, while the rest of us were just incredulous.

"Better than our potential lottery winnings," another colleague added. (We've started to enter the Euro lottery every Friday – it gives us something to fantasize about – usually the fantasy involves chartering a private jet out of here.) None of us really believed the report.

And then today there it was again on all the major wire services: "An official at the bank said about $300 million in U.S. dollars had been stolen, as well as 220 million Iraqi dinars ($176,000)," reported Reuters

"Why don’t you guys use some of your special talents and go and track that?" I joked with some of our security advisors. "Don’t think it hadn't crossed our minds," they teased.

Ends up our initial instincts turned out to be right after all - later on Thursday the Iraqi police and bank manager corrected themselves and said the stolen bounty was more like 300 million Iraqi dinars, not U.S. dollars. That's more like $500,000 dollars.

But it was still a substantial amount, and it got us thinking...what if?

Cash and carry
This is totally a cash society, it isn't a place where you enter pin numbers or engage in email banking, even though it is improving.

For years we would travel in here with bundles of cash strapped to various parts of our bodies as that was our only option. Now at least we have recourse to use the local bank, if not quite your Wall Street service. But most of what we, and everyone else here, does is peel off cash dollar notes.

And while it’s no longer the Wild West days of that short period after the fall of Saddam when looting was rife, bank raids were a daily occurrence and U.S. soldiers were coming across millions of dollars hidden under trees, it’s still not quite the rule of law. 

This raid could have been worse, but the potential for groups like al-Qaida here is huge. We've heard so much recently about how al-Qaida is resurging. Only yesterday U.S. General Bergner told reporters that al-Qaida is planning to make Iraq a "gateway to victory." At the same time, over 200 explosive vests had been confiscated from a truck smuggling them in across the Syrian border.

The idea of 300 million dinars, if not dollars, in the wrong hands is still chilling – especially since the insurgents here seem to be doing well enough without it.

VIDEO: Report warns al-Qaida gaining strength

Back to reality
As usual we called upon the hardy local staff of the TV news agencies to see if they had covered the aftermath of the heist or if they had any more detail.

I called Reuters TV and was told they knew about it, but were little busy right now.

Just 10 minutes earlier they learned that their Iraqi photographer Namir Noor-Eldeen, 22, and driver, Saeed Chmagh, 40, had been killed covering clashes in eastern Baghdad.

No more laughs about our board’s list of events today.

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"It's getting better".  Yeah.  I was 29 when the USA booted UN Weapons Inspectors out of Iraq, and I suspect I'll be 59 by the time they manage to keep the electricity on all the time.

You know what, I'm almost rooting for failure.  I was lied to so many times about the reasons for war, the plans post invasion, and the time-line that I WANT to see the liars fail.  I want to see a Muslim theocracy take over, boot out the USA and become buddy-buddy with the other ME regimes the USA has played tough-guy with.

Petty, yes, but I can live with that.  Just a shame that our loyal soldiers got roped into this dishonorable conflict.
Thats crazy to think that one bank would hold so much money. I just wonder if the other banks will think twice about how much cash they keep on hand.
That'll buy a lot of weapons & explosive vests for the Insurgency!  Admit it we made a mistake and bring our boys home!  They ought to do to Bush what they did to Saddam!  He is the worst President in US History and is creating more hatred towards the US daily.
What civilized bank in the world today let's a few guards, especially in a country such as Iraq, just "stay overnight" at the bank by themselves? Without closed circuit tv cameras recoding everything? With access to the main bank vault? I mean, aren't the keys to the vault usually in the hands of the bank managers? These are very simple questions that ANYONE in the world today would have to think off hand. Speaking of cameras....I'm wondering why we haven't tried to set them up around parts of the major cities such as Baghdad? The police forces can watch and tape them daily! This would help in my opinion because we could start to see WHO exactly is committing crimes, who is aiding and turning a "blind eye" towards them and they can then be punished. I was a US Marine in 2nd btn/5th mar when we first took over Baghdad. I remember when there were banks that we had to watch over because they had large sums of American dollars in them BEFORE we were helping them out. The camera's seem to work rather well in other countries such as Britain where they have them everywhere so it seems.
I want to remind the voters across the USA about the behavior of our previous president compared to that of Mr Bush. Lets take time and reflect on what we have to be proud of and stop dissing this wonderful public servant. I for one say a big THANK YOU to Mr Bush and you are doing a GREAT JOB. I am Proud to be a Republican.
I wonder how many MIGS that will buy al-Qaida
Very telling....The US loses $300 million and Iraq loses $176,000.....The facts folks, just the facts.
The war in Iraq is not going to be "won" by us (USA); we are a global village now and we need help--why isn't the United Nations (aka other countries) helping us--they're trying save the Great Coral Reef but Iraq is just as important!
The $300 million bank robbery illustrates our failure in bringing civilized behavior to Iraq.  Appropriately, Saddam’s last action before our attack was his release of all non-political prisoners from Iraqi jails reflecting his criminal mentality.
Saddam’s legacy of over 20 years of governmental and cultural abuse has turned Iraq into a “culture of crime” (using “religious” and nationalist justifications) where the “good people” are either dead, emigrated, or in hiding.  Our soldiers are caught in the cross-fire, and our oil dependency is paying for ALL sides of the conflict.  
The only way to bring “peace” to Iraq is to disarm Iraq door-to-door and border-to-border.  And we need to recognize our inability to provide sufficient arms or resources and that we have made a total muck of this war.
However, there is a “solution.”  
After decades of fighting Iraq’s oil competition by Iran and Saudi Arabia, Iran and Saudi Arabia have out-sourced their war with Iraq to the US.  We need to also “out-source” our war and have China send in the 350,000 “Peace Keepers” to disarm the country door-to-door and border-to-border.  
China is the ONLY country with the manpower, credibility, resources, technical skills to rebuild the country, and self-discipline to do it.  China needs the increased stature as a "world peacemaker."  China needs the outlet for its unemployment.
And they need the Iraqi oil even more than we do.
Some folks are being honest about the Bush haters. They _are_ rooting for failure because they would rather see many more butchered than face the possibility of ever admitting that Bush did something right. Vanity over the security of the US and the future of democracy in the Mideast. Some priorities. Ditto those saying Bush who removed Saddam deserves the same fate (hanging) as Saddam himself, who butchered tens of thousands, while UN "Oil for food" officials took millions to enable him to do so. Vanity over real important things here. Ignorant.  
CJ Herron, explain what Clinton has to do with the present situation? I'm no fan of the guy, but HE didn't get this country involved in a trillion-dollar nightmare (Vietnam, anyone?) with no end in sight, that has turned world opinion against the USA. That would be Mr Bush's doing. Well done, Dubya - keep fighting the good fight and turning the Middle East into more of an abyss...
Someone forgot a comma, the total us money in that bank was around 300 thousand, not 300 Million.

At any rate 1/2 million in cash can buy a lot of trouble.
To Aaron M: Mount surveillance cameras around Baghdad??  Sure, go ahead but make sure you draw up a legally binding will and pay off your outstanding debts first because you won't be coming back--and you won't succeed in mounting even one camera.  I guarantee it.

To Danielle Skrabalak: The rest of the world is not going to help us in Iraq because they told the US not to invade because it would be a huge mistake.  Bush told them that if they didn't want to help then they "can stand back and watch."  So guess what?  They're standing back and watching.

To AllanH: I seriously doubt China wants to shoulder the war effort for us and I seriously doubt there is anything we could say or do to convince them that they must.  China is making money from the US in this war since Bush has borrowed a great deal of money from them fighting it.  I don't foresee China ruining that little windfall for themselves, do you?
CJ - Oh let's see, Bill Clinton messed around a bit, no one killed.  Everything that comes out of Bush's mouth is a lie, thousands slaughtered.  Great job Bushie, that's a lot to be proud of.  The only thing he has managed to do well is brainwash a nation of imbeciles!  Stupid is as stupid does.
To CJ Herron,

You must live on a different planet and know a different George W. Bush....Your support of this president is outrageous!
We kicked the UN out of Iraq, remember?  REMEMBER?  They're letting the USA fail and laughing at us.  Thanks Bush voters!  You're the people who got us a president who over-works his army but doesn't have the balls to start a draft.  Then, when those brave men and women get home, they get horrible low-buck healthcare.

I hope CJ Heron was being sarcastic.

I told you fools that invading Iraq to set up 'democracy' was doomed to failure.  Things turned out even worse than I had imagined in 2003.  

*shrug*  I can afford expensive gas and higher taxes to pay for thiws boondoggle.  Can you?

Several people and I agree, bring our military home, who ever is over there that wants control, let them fight it out amoung themselves and who ever is left if they want assistance (other countries has to agree to help also) we will help them.  I am tired of helping everyone else and when diasters hits us, no one offers their help.
I can't believe that CJ Herron is really serious comparing Clinton to Bush.  The impeachment of Clinton was a partisan sham that cost the country a lot of money.  Bush should have been impeached.  I don't see how he can sleep at night knowing that he has sent thousands of Americans to their deaths and many more thousands of Iraqi civilians have died because of the Bush-Cheney Gang.
its 300 million iraqi dinars, not dollars......about $500,000 US
Remember please that the early reason Osama-bin Ladin gave saying that he could defeat the US was our withdrawal from Nam. He's right!  America has lost its will to protect the freedoms that have been so hard won.   Now the "insurgents" have an gained yet another undisclosed amount they have just ripped off (who knows given the conflicting reports). As if they needed it with the Saudi's funding their every move.   Since so much of America is too cowardy to actually win a war anywhere any more, watch for the "American Hiroshima" Osama is promising this summer.  Due to our lack of resolve to get rid of the radical Muslims abroad and among us (the Trojan Horse is within our walls), I'm afraid we won't learn a lesson from London and our attack looks like it is building along the borders of Pakistan.  This one is probably threatening the use of  nuclear weapons, probably already in the US through our porous borders to carry off the deed.  We might still have a chance if we close the borders.  Shoot violators on sight. Bomb all the Al-Qiada camps along the Pakistani border and seriously consider bombing the nuclear weapons plants in Iran.  We have to get serious about winning in other words.  Our enemy is counting on us NOT doing anything significant while the left says terror is a license plate cover.
we can win, just drop daisey cutter bombs where ever we find insurgents, dam the collateral dammage. destroy the insurgent base and cut off the head of this ugly monster
CJ, Bill Clinton may have played it fast and loose with the definition of "sexual relations", but he did manage to consider the ramifications of invading Iraq.  Look at his record, he used airstrikes not invation.  He did not sanction the murder of countless US soldiers and Iraqi civillians.  This is not a Republican vs Democrat issue, this is an issue of morals and common sense.  Both presidents' actions in their personal lives can be questioned, cocaine use and excessive drinking for Bush, but at least Clinton managed foreign policy with some common sense, Bush can't even read his CIA intel reports.  I hope you are still proud of Bush when he is indicted for war crimes.  This war he lead us into is criminal and much worse then Vietnam.  Now, no matter what we do the war will eventually spill onto american soil.  Bush has created more terrorists then he has brought to justice. Bush has done the country and the world a disservice.  Hopefully one day a president will be elected, of either party, that has the balls to share with the people all of the secrets Bush has kept from us.  Perhaps then the so called religious right will finally see how they were duped.
Rooting for failure ??? Are you an idiot ???
I have little doubt that since the discrepancy involves US dollars -- obviously some of the billions of dollars that this administration has sent and of which billions have disappeared into pockets everywhere -- this pathetic puppet government wants to hide the amount lost. I makes him look bad -- and the entire puppet government we set up there. Of course our administration will minimize it too.

After all, if this government can't even protect a bank, how will they ever provide adequate security for anything?
Did none of you guys read the article...not just the headline...but the whole article...it wasn't $300 million US dollars...it is $300 million Iraqi Dinars...worth about $500,000 US dollars...a far-cry from 300 million.
Yeah it sucks that the money was stolen, and will it end up in the hands of the terrorists? It more then likely. But read the story before you go and put your foot in your mouth before you read the ENTIRE story.
Mr./Ms. Herron - I would be HAPPY to compare the behavior of the previous president to this one. I cannot think of one area in which the present administration compares favorably with the Clinton presidency except adherence to his marriage vows, and since I am not married to the man, I can live with that.
I hear all this stuff about being lied to regarding the Iraq war.  No WMDs, etc.  Does anyone ever consider that Iraq had WMDs and Saddam used them.  Also, there are some "underground" reports that prior to the U.S. liberation of Iraq, satellite photos showed convoys of Trucks driving to Syria. They are also reporting that Russia helped them move the weapons to Syria.  Maybe just maybe, Bush does not want to reinstate the Cold war by alleging these scenarios against Russia.  Which these allegations if true would not surprise me due to the latest dealings with the Russian government and their refusal to extradite the suspected killer of the former Russian spy.
Did any of you read the story?  $300 million in U.S. dollars was not taken.  Typical anti bush, read the headline and start bashing.  Granted the amount stolen is bad, but don't be so lazy that you don't read the entire article.
This only goes to prove you can bring a camel to water, but you can't make him drink.  It was a grand experiment trying to bring freedom and civilization to Iraq, but people have to be ready for freedom.  Those people have been in a state of Slavery to someone even before Xerxes king of Persia (yes that's from 300).
Here is another thing I love about all the Bush haters..."Oh let's see, Bill Clinton messed around a bit, no one killed."...Are you brain dead?!?!? Anyone remember Kosovo? A whole hell of a lot of Serbians died. Nobody remembers that because all the media attention was focused on Monica and the Blue Dress.

You libs need to get a clue. I am neither Republican or Democrat. I hate Bush the President as much as I hated Clinton.

The entire country is going to hell in a handbasket and nobody cares...all they want to do is point the finger. When is somebody going to stand up and fight for Americans...instead of the Lobbist's on BOTH SIDES?
We need to turn this horrible mess over to the United Nations. What's to win in Iraq? Our military has been hoodwinked, our people are being killed every day, as are the Iraqis and their country and culture are being destroyed.This is a GLOBAL ideology/religious war that is, and will continue to impact on the whole world. If you think this is the case do what you can about it, rather than bitch and moan. Share your ideas about solutions with the politicians (since we seem to be short on statesmen/stateswomen.) At age 72 my e-mail ability is what I have and I do use it!Our amazing democratic republic has surived bozos and dunderheads in the past,because we united and pulled together to contribute to the positive in our country and the world.  
MARCY has it right , WAKE UP.
If this robbery is really for true, couldn't it have been fueled by the negativity of some Americans? The taliban takes the defeatist attitude of some and it fires them up thinking it represents most Americans. They become more aggressive--thinking they are getting through to the morale of America. Doesn't it seem possible that Clinton's lack of action with Bin Laddin led way to the egotistic attack on the US. He feared no recourse for his actions. The UN surely was stepping back in fear.
I am shocked at the first statement made here, "You know what, I'm almost rooting for failure.  I was lied to so many times about the reasons for war...", why are people rooting for our defeat?  We need to start looking past Republican and Democrat and realize that we are on the same side, like it or not.  We have been and will continue to be indiscriminately killed by terrorists who do not like the freedoms we stand for.  They view us as a threat and they aren't going to stop if we all turn to hippies and don't want to fight anymore.
Cameras would be a good thing if you can guarantee they won't be stolen or destroyed by a populace that has a lot of poverty among its ranks.  The insurgents know what cameras are for and don't think they won't try to get rid of them when they see them looking at their ugly mugs.  I spent 18 months in Baghdad working as a government contractor and saw first hand the poverty of the people.  As for "The Blacksheep", he misses the boat entirely as well,as a wealth of others who despise the President.  The conflict was only started after assessing the best intelligence our intelligence community and Europe had to offer on whether it warranted going to war.  Mr. Bush himself stated at the start that it was going to be a long, lengthy process and lives were going to be lost.  No one can really prepare for occupying another nation or its people nor is it ever going to be easy doing it.  Mistakes were made but that's part of being human unlike the "perfect" Democratic Congress leadership who it seems likes to do a lot of blamethrowing and make unrationalistic statements about Bush's foreign policies.  All of the Democratic politicians crawfish everytime they are asked about how they voted on Iraq when it first started and offer no real solutions or answers on how they would do it different.  I truly never thought that the first thing a Democrat who is elected president would do and that's order a retreat. America has never run from anyone and anyone who embraces our failure in Iraq is a traitor to this country and a disgrace to the honor of those who gave their lives so we can have the freedoms we do.  From day one in Bush's first term, leading Democrats have opposed every piece of legislation that were enacted to help us, most noteably, the  tax cuts because they did not want us to have them.  Now since they have been in the majority, their main goal is to destroy the president and forget about the issues that got them elected.  If they fail at one attempt, then another soon follows the first.  Blacksheep, if you don't like this country, then do us all a favor and leave it.  oh, and be sure to look out for any ropes along the way
Thank you for reminding us about the behavior of our previous president. However, I personally prefer someone lying to me about infidelity than about phantom WMD and motives for war. The former doesn't get soldiers killed.

It's called perspective.
The collective lack of insight and I dare say intelligence about the real world beyond your shores as displayed on these blogs is astonishing.  Comfy Americans who know nothing of the fate of millions who are not free would deny that same freedom to those millions.  What an astonishingly arrogant and misinformed attitude...but then again, you are Americans.  You who lost hundreds of thousands of dead in wars for the freedom of humanity now shy from a tiny fraction of that because you face an enemy who slaughters defenseless women and children on purpose...  Where is your moral outrage for that?  Have you forgotten the thousands they killed in New York, Madrid, London, Beslan and Baghdad?  You act like Iraq is a choice, not a war. You are winning the war against a brutal foe and you want to quit?  Fortunately, your soldiers don't lack for courage and you may muddle through despite it all.  

If you desert the Iraqi's now, like you did the Somali's and Vietnamese, you deserve the death and destruction it will bring on your heads at home...and the eternal shame it will cast on the American ideals of freedom and democracy for all.    
I really enjoy the way Bush has become the fall guy for our inept congress. They approved the war and I don't want to here that they were lied to (they have been lying to us for years). Let Bush deal with Iraq, (Just what is the job of a US military person; kill or be killed, that is their job). Now how about congress dealing with the US needs like ILEGAL immigration, border protection, keeping jobs within the US instead of months of debate over a non binding resolutions. As bad as this may sound I would rather keep Bush and replace every Professional Politition with an idiot.

By the way anyone know how much our last bank robbers in the US got away with? In the last 4 years how many law enforment in this contry have given there lives in the call of duty,(less than the number of troop lost in Iraq)
The original story said $300 million US and that was the whole story when the first comments were posted. The story was corrected after the first posts, so don't go complaining about that detail!
Let's pull out, let those idiots kill each other and then we can deal or not deal with whoever is left. They're going to kill each other whether we are there or not. Remember, they don't have the same morals we do and they do not need to. They are living their lives they way they grew up and not amount of US democrocy is going to change them. It's not "right or wrong" - we have our beliefs and they have theirs and the twain shall never meet.
How Clinton got us involved in Iraq? See, if Clinton hadn't been President and relected for another term and built up enough cash surplus along with international prestigue, Dumbya wouldn't have been able to invade Iraq unilaterally and get himself up to his neck in this quagmire! So, if you wanna blame someone, don't pick on poor lil George. Go after Bill Clinton! Boy I wish I was a Repugnican. They NEVER make mistakes that can be blamed on someone else. I mean, look at the Justice Department, the State Department, the Pentagon! And when someone really DOES make a mistake like converting 300 million dinar to dollars, they STILL look for some way to blame it on Bill Clinton! Life must be so very simple for the simple-minded.
If we had taken care of this problem right after 9/11 with  the full power of the USA and you know what I mean I dont think we would be in the situation we are in now.
Kathy in Oregon - I was in the middle of the Clinton administration at a high level and I would rather have a govt that conducts itself based on principle (Bush) rather than on political expediency (Clinton).  Clinton is directly responsible for 9/11, the abondonment of Somalia and the catastrophic downsizing of the US military.  I was there and saw it happen close up.  Bill Clinton also risked his entire Presidency and the security of the country on a relationship with an intern.  Can you imagine what would have happened had a foreign power discovered Monica before she went to the papers herself?  He could not help it...and we elected him, knowing he cheated on his wife and displayed other unethical conduct which should have made everyone aware of what he was capable of.  

Clinton was a disgrace who got ONLY one thing done - Welfare Reform, in 8 years.  He was lucky in Kosovo - because the Europeans finally helped there. He ran away from Somalia after a day that we lost 18 heroes in a successful mission that killed or wounded 1000 of the enemy and won us two Medals of Honor.  Clinton saw it as a defeat, abandoned the Somali people and disgraced the men and women who put their lives on the line.  

Clinton abandoned nearly a million people to their fate in the Rwandan genocide, something we alone could have stopped.  See the movie sometone.  

In response to brutal attacks against our embassies and their host nation innocents he flung cruise missles at camels in Afghanistan and Sudan, doing nothing but making Osama try harder.  The result was 9/11. thanks Bill.

Bush has made some mistakes, but history will look back and judge that he at least did what he thought was best for the safety and security of the American people and the freedom of people around the world.  Clinton did worse than nothing - he ran security policy based on polls and politics...which in the end gets people killed...in his case, over a million.    

Anyone who would like more details (unclassified) is welcome to contact me anytime - post a response and your e-mail.  
all this talk about cutting off the head of the enemy?....ok...and when we do were would u like Bush's head displayed?....there was no reason to invade iraq...and definately no reason to stay....if osama truly has any influence in Iraq its because he saw a chance to AFTER Bush invaded....Bin Laden was our enemy....Bush went after Sadam for his own personal agendas (and to make Haliburton money)...we were MUCH better off when Clinton was in office....u judge him for infidelity but pardon Bush for the countless deaths of thousands....theres and our innocents are paying the price...and i agree...Bush is by far the worst president we have ever had.....America's popularity around the world is at an all time low and Bush is the cause...it will take decades to undo the damage he has caused
Dear Michele, It does seem funny to think about at first, but it is a serious problem of money being used for terror operations. If there was such a thing as a lottery in Baghdad I would hope one of you would win so that all of you could leave that region safely. I suppose it was something interesting to contemplate, but then the realty of what is really going on this region sinks into ones mind. Always stay safe all who work in the Middle East Bureau! Peace to all!
and after Bush admitting they were wrong about the WMD's (if he evcer actually believed it to begin with) Ryan wants to suggest that photos shopw trucks moving the weapons with russia's help?....and why in God's name would we believe any report that comes from this adminastration? just another line being fed to us by these war criminals....as stated before....its just a shame our military people are paying the price...bring our men and woman home and let those ppl govern themselves.....
i am ashamed to be here reading this.  About nine out of ten post are negative.  Lets remember an overwhelming majority of our leaders voted the same as the administration.  The only differance is the conservatives are mature enough to stick it out.  I just hope th enext administration has enough courage to see through with what they believe.  And please stop bringing up the war for oil argument as it is silly.  It would be cheaper to buy oil elsewhere in the world than to try to get it out of Iraq.  
and Doug....you're rant is so ridiculous as to not even warrant response
but we will see how history truly judges Bush....if we survive his presidency...i do however agree that its time we all pull together and be the Americe we were all once proud to be.....Bush and politicians do things like this cause we as a ppl are not pulling together and trying to improve our government....at least we only have another year of bubba calling the shots....and now he is even instrycting his former aides not to cooperate with the congress in the firing of the federal judges....Bush and Cheney have consistantly shown that they think they are above the law....and clinton didnt risk our security over his affair with an intern....the rebuplicans did with their senseless withc hunt against him....time to forget democrats vs republicans and just be americans
Oh ye of narrow minds and dim vision....."I was lied to", "we don't belong there", "bring our men and women home"......big question for you- who's going to finish the job if we listen to you??  You?  I doubt it.  Your friends?  If they are of the same attitude as you, then they will be just as worthless in finishing this job.  So who?  Don't worry about Iraq?  Is that what you think?  They never had weapons of mass destruction and we were lied to?  Tell me, what would you think if we had NOT followed the intelligence and acted decisively?  You would be here calling my CIC the worst President in history for ignoring the WMDs that Saddam had; clearly in violation of UN resolutions!  You would be crying "why didn't anyone do something?" when one of those weapons fell into the hands of Al Quada and was used against America.  So, if I get this right, you would complain IF he didn't do anything and the intelligence was there, showing Saddam had the weapons, and you ARE complaining because we DID do something, and when we did, we found that the intelligence wasn't all that it was made out to be?  So basically, no matter what my boss does, you will complain.  Gee....aren't you glad that those very people that you want to forsake in Iraq won't have that same right IF we fail??  I hope you sleep well, knowing that if your ideas were followed, we would have a civil war that kills MILLIONS of innocent people.  Sleep on that.
Just as American Conservatives don't care about the poor Americans, this American Liberal doesn't care about the poor Iraqis who could not flee Iraq.

The only sympathy I have for Iraqis is that they were unwitting pawns in Bush's plan.  If the Iraqis stood up to Saddam and over-threw him themselves, this same sectarisn struggle with the same death tolls would occur.  

Clinton never lied to the American People in order to start a war with people who were not a threat to the USA.

Bush could have been a humanitarian hero if he had done something about the Sudan, but he chose to ignore the genocide there.

Would Jesus have invaded Iraq to 'free' the people there?


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