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Iraqi justice for ‘Chemical Ali’

Posted: Monday, June 25, 2007 3:08 PM
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Very few people are going to cry for Ali Hassan Al-Majid, "Chemical Ali," who was sentenced to death by a U.S.-supported Iraqi court on Sunday. Al-Majid was clearly guilty of horrible crimes. He admitted in court to ordering the destruction of Kurdish villages in 1988.

I have watched videos of mass executions of Kurds, lined up in what is now a public park in Irbil. They were shot for allegedly cooperating with Kurdish fighters, the Peshmerga. Kurdish villages, in particular Halabja, were also attacked with chemical gas, massacring about 5,000 men, women and children, their twisted dead bodies filmed by horrified international news crews.

But did Al-Majid, like Saddam before him, receive a trial that was free of political intervention? It doesn’t seem so. 

Political pressure?
The Iraqi government has consistently pressured the court, making guilty verdicts near forgone conclusions and undermining the tribunal's credibility.

It started right at the beginning.

In January 2006, the first judge to try Saddam, Rizgar Amin – a polite, methodical, conscientious man and a firm believer in the rule of law – withdrew from the case. He told me it was because of political pressure.

Amin was replaced by Judge Rauf Abdel Rahman. Rahman was much harsher. He threw defendants out of court, and ignored the boycotts of defense lawyers.

The government also quietly replaced two other judges who worked on Saddam’s case.  The move was meant to assure that Saddam would be given the death penalty.

Rahman sentenced Saddam to death in November 2006.

Al-Majid’s trial followed a similar pattern.

In September 2006, the government sacked Judge Abdullah al-Ameri because he was seen as too soft on Saddam and his cohorts.  Ameri angered Iraqi government officials when he said in court that Saddam was "not a dictator." Ameri was replaced by Judge Mohammed Al Oreibi Al Khalifah who on Sunday sentenced al-Majid to the gallows. 

Miranda Sissons, head of the Iraqi program at International Center for Transitional Justice, is one of the few people who has followed all of the twists and turns of these trials.

Tonight she told me, "Political interference in the tribunal has been shameless, but seems to have gotten better as interest in the proceedings has waned after Saddam’s death."

Yesterday, Al-Majid was given five death sentences.  The sentences will automatically be appealed

He shouldn’t expect much.  

Improvement, but still far from perfect
When Saddam’s former vice president, Taha Yassin Ramadan, issued his appeal in December 2006, the tribunal actually made his sentence harsher.

Ramadan was initially sentenced to life in prison. The appellate court said, "no, it will be death."  It was like a frustrated parent warning a disobedient child, "If you keep complaining, you will only make it worse on yourself!" 

It was not American justice.  It was Iraqi justice, better than under Saddam, but still deeply flawed.

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The holier then thou attitude of the media never ends.  The man was guilty.  Who cares if the trial was perfect (like OJ's).  Get on with it, so the Iraqi people have a chance to move on and we can get our guys home.
How is this different from the US Justice department removing US attorneys who are not soft enough on republicans?
Hi Richard,

I have really enjoyed reading your video-script on the geopoitical situation in Iraq. It has helped me tremendously in understanding the current situation is there. I am a journalism professor and currently conducting a study with reporters covering the war for a research project I'm working on with the U.S. Air Force. I would love to have you complet my survey via email and return it to me some time in July. If you are interested, please contact me at lillief@yahoo.com   THanks for the site again. I review it almost daily to better my understanding of the Iraq War and its peoples.---Lillie
Dear Richard, Regarding the trial of Ali Hassan Al-Majid. I would agree that he needed to be executed for the crimes he committed considering he admitted to them in court. I mean murdering innocent women and children to me has no justification to rescind on any sort of punishment. Now the political pressure from the governments into making the courts give guilty verdicts is not right. But,I must say in Saddam's case I would definitely give a guilty verdict. He did truly deserve it in my mind. It would have been easier to have one judge preside over the entire trial, yet I'm sure things got out of hand in the court during Saddam's trial. I agree with Miranda Sissons that political interference was "shameless", but I will say it does need to be more fair instead of just handing out guilty verdicts all the time. Now Saddam's former vice president really deserves no appeal. They all caused too much suffering of innocent people. It may still need fixing, but I agree so far with the decisions of the court. Anyway, In the meantime always keep SAFE RICHARD!!! Peace to you! Peace to all!    
The circumstances sorrounding the trials of Saddam and associates are not ones that can be considered normal. Nevertheless, the basic requirement of a fair trial that of being heard and being able to confront the accuser have been made available to the accused, and crimes they are accused of, proved beyond doubt.To require the standard of American justice system under the present Iraqui circumstances would be desirable but wholly impractical.
He received the justice that should be afforded to any of the Iraqi scumbags convicted of killing 120,000 innocent civilians. Let's just hope this time he keeps his head.
the method might have been flawed BUT the outcome was right.
Having served in Northern Iraq during the first Gulf conflict, I feel compelled to say that anyone linked to the development and/or use of chemical weapons against the Kurdish villages deserves the death penalty.  The horror we saw was no different from what Allied troops saw when they arrived at Auschwitz, Birkenau or Dachau.  Defenseless men, women and children slaughtered mercilessly in their homes and communities.  As for the appeal process, this guy is breathing air that I may one day need.  The sooner he and his sentence are executed, the better.
I don't understand why the government feels they must interfere.  Saddam, et al, were guilty and would likely have received the same outcome, but the court's credibility would be better if left alone.  The government needs to take the lead and show the people of Iraq (and the rest of the world) that it has confidence in the judicial system.  
The crime in this is that it has took so long to get to the punishment they deserved. Any trial is better than their victims got. You journalists need to wake up to reality.
It would be prudent for all Western observers to loose our concept of Justice when making any comments to the  Iraqi style of punishment.  For the "boys at the top" they have reaped what they have sewn.  Political intervention is nothing more than the freedom of the people exerting it's will.  Their Laws of Government will change, but it will take decades. Over the last few years the people of Iraqi have not tasted the fruits of true FREEDOM. My sense is that most are just trying to stay alive from day to day; difficult at best to modernize or intellectually determine what is absolutely RIGHT.  I would ask your readers to put themselves in Iraq, a war torn and savaged country, and think of a time that each of them were terribly impacted by sorrow each and very day, and then think of the people that were in power who have caused all of this pain and sorrow.  Add to that the theft of all of the wealth of the country, which was deposited into the personal accounts of just a few men - and the hatred grows exponentially. It should be very easy to understand Political Intervention from that perspective.  Just give the people a little longer and they will do fine.  Hopefully, and as they look back, they will understand the opportunity and the presents that we gave them with the blood of our fallen young man & women.  I usually am silent on such issues, but I thought I should make my voice known. Life Is Too Precious.
Just a final note so that your may understand my position: I may not agree with the Political Left with their sometimes silly and childlike attempts to characterize the world and the existing political powers as so sweet and good; because in reality there are some very, very, very BAD people out there; but I would give my live so that they have the RIGHT to express their views in an open forum - That is precisely why our System Works   . . .
It's as simple as that!!!  
FREEDOM TO ALL    
I am amazed that there was a trial at all.As for their justice system it is theirs and should not be compaired to ours. We have our own flaws, But to use our system to   to compair is just a way to deminish the progress made in Iraq. How much justice did they have when saddam was in power. He and the rest of his henchmen decided life and death over coffee not in court. These criminals have had YEARS of justice which is a damn site more than their victems.Did this reporter care that these animals killed 5000 people in one shot?Was it possible that there were people in that village that had nothing to do with any so called crime, did the CHILDREN ALSO COMMIT CRIMES AGAINST SADDAM? That brings us back to my opening statement
"I'M SURPRISED THEY HAD A TRIAL AT ALL"
if you live by the gun you'll die by the gun.at least he underwent trial and found guilty what about thousands of innocent children who had to die for crimes they knew nothing about.the wheels of justice though taking long time did a splendid job.i think america should come to africa and remove my motherland's worst dictators like mugabe,gaddafi etc the way they did to saddam and his scumbags.
As usual the media concentrating on something basically irrelevant at this time. Two horrible men are executed and this is the story that you come up with, "fair trial". You wonder why most of America believes the media to be so far to the left it is disgusting. How many stories have you wrote about new schools, hospitals, power stations, basic services being improved, better life for Iraqis or for that matter how many stories have you written about our heroic soldiers over there. I'm guessing not too many if at all. Keep beating that drum, Hamas might have a job for you!
You are right, it wasn't American justice and why should it be?  We aren't talking American soil here either.  Why should everything in the world be Americanized.  In this case, justice was accomplished.  Justice isn't always accomplished in the U.S., nor will it be anywhere.  Human's have flaws, so will any form of justice system.  The people of Iraq have the responsibility of setting up their own system in their own way.  They are making headway after decades of tyrannical rule. The people are taking the necessary steps to develop some form of democracy for their culture.
I would say that the trial has little or nothing to do with bringing our boys home...

That said we have a history of meddling in other countries and is it any surprise that a few honest men feel differently than we want them to or feel that a "real" trial should take place instead of gerry mandering the judges to find ones that the US supports.

I mean, wouldn't it be a blow to the administration if a tribunal of Iraqui's found someone innocent or at least did not give a harsh enough sentence to seemingly justify American involvement?

This has been a "Bush" fiasco from the beginning. WHen you have special forces officers saying "we should give the country back to Saddam, we didn't realize it was so hard to run it" I think that is a pretty good assessment that operation "democracy" isn't working.

And.....where is Bin Ladin? (after the nonsense in Iraq maybe we should ask "who is Bin Laden??)
Chemical Ali might not have gotten a trial such as we offer in America, but Iraq has a judical system and Ali got a fair trial under that system. He should  be executed for his crimes against humanity.  Perhaps this will give the the other despots in this  world pause to think  befoe they commit similar crimes, but I doubt it. Absolute power corrupts, absolutley. As Jerry from Decatur said, the outcome was right.  

David OKC    
Their system may not be to our standards, but the outcome is just.  Hopefully they will have the requisite time to improve the system.  Regardless, it is a far cry from where they were during Saddam and how most other countries in the region perform.
Too bad we can't hang the other real mass murderers along with chemical ali, you know the ones I mean, Bush and Cheney.
Than we could have a real ho down of a good time.
Chemical Ali might not have gotten a trial such as we offer in America, but Iraq has a judical system and Ali got a fair trial under that system. He should  be executed for his crimes against humanity.  Perhaps this will give the the other despots in this  world pause to think  befoe they commit similar crimes, but I doubt it. Absolute power corrupts, absolutley. As Jerry from Decatur said, the outcome was right.  

David OKC    
hah what a mockery... who is going to give bush a death sentence for killing 800,00 Iraqi's destroying a country and putting the whole middle east on the brink of war. I am sorry to say americans think they are very informed and cry about the human rights but 70% of the problem in todays world is due to them.

Please get off your high horses. There are other countries who had worst human rights violations than iraq. If they are with US policy then we ignore it. You people are pathetic in considering that justice was done. Please get some sanity in your justification and logic.
No different than American law, Let's put the ball in the right court, the Iraq justice has been and will be directed from the American Embassy in Iraq, Bush will not stop until every member of the Saddam Government and politician that supported Saddam is given the noose on the gallows.
Could  the President of the United States be the most ruthless person that ever walked the earth, history will tell.
Bush & Cheney should face war crime charges for sending ill prepared forces into combat. It is unfortunate that our individual armed service personel are being held responsible for war crimes while the administration that placed them in harms way (ill prepared as they are) takes no personal responcibility.  It is hard to fathom that the vast majority of American people remain ambivilent to the outright carnage and abuse of cival rights that Bush and his administration have proliferated.  In the case at hand one sees that the administrator is being held responsible and will be ultimately put to death for actions on his watch.  Why do we not hold Bush, Cheney and their administration to task as well.  
Ali was found guilty of bringing about the death of thousands of people (120,000) just happened to be in the way of his plans and desires. The true reason will never be known. bush has brought about the death of civilians (600,000) and 3,500 American soldiers who happened to be in the way of his plans and desires. The true reasons will never be known. The reasons are unimportant as the dead are just as dead. God has always been on the side of the biggest army with the biggist guns. And the losers never get to write the history.
It two wrongs don't make a right, then what are we (Americans) doing in Iraq.  Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have died-- many more than under Saddam.  Moreover, there are MILLIONS of traumatized refugees.  Meanwhile, American oil companies line up to partake in the feast, as production-sharing agreements are issued for Exxon, Chevron, Conoco, Shell, and others.  Yeah, we're in it for the "right" reasons all right.  
don't forget who put saddam heussain and his ilk in power in the first place, lil richard.
Interesting rationale.  By this same method of thinking, are we going to execute cheney and bush?
To prove the accused guilty beyond and reasonable doubt is without question the right way to go.  THis is justice in our American democracy and to set the example we should not be involved with any system that does not acknowledge that the accused is entitled to a fair trial.  The manner in which the current system operates in Iraq is nothing less than what happened under the Saddam regime.  Two wrongs don't make a right as they say.
When political interference rules the courts, justice is never done regarless of charges.
As one of your readers stated,when the right wing of of the republican party trys to conrol the courts in the united states or the left wing of the democratic party trys to do the same, justice and the rule of law, along with democracy is compromised.
When political interference rules the courts, justice is never done regarless of charges.
As one of your readers stated,when the right wing of of the republican party trys to conrol the courts in the united states or the left wing of the democratic party trys to do the same, justice and the rule of law, along with democracy is compromised.
I understand the need to have a fair trial for even megolomaniac tyrants who rank themselves amongst the worst in modern history. But where was the media outcry when the hundreds of thousands of victims were sentenced with no trial whatsoever? Your story is a couple of decades late. Like the others who have commented here, I believe your expectations is much too high of the first government chosen by its people in over a millenium.
We're talking about Saddam Hussein and Ali Hassan Al-Majid, does anyone honestly believe that the outcomes would have been different if the trials had been fair?  

That being said, there was absolutely no reason for political pressure in these cases.  The only result of all this is that the Iraqi government and justice system have lost credibility and the possibility of a free and stable Iraq has been set back.  
lets go into the country that is a souverign nation and claim that they have WMD's and when we dont find them lets go ahead and put them on trial for a crime that happened over 20 years ago.  I do believe that they both need(ed) to be put to death for what they have done, no question, but to hang all of it on something that happened that long ago with the evidence that they have is incredible.  If someone (waco,montana freemen, some arian group, etc.) had attempted to harm our leaders is it so far of a stretch that some form of marshall punishment would have been administered?  Lets look at the facts of the case and not the world outlook on there current actions to make a decision about this crime.  Is this democracy?
Oh please, the end justifies the means, so why are you liberals whining ?
The cowardly weasel got just what he deserved. I say to him "Prepare to meet your maker and Good Riddance."
Justic served, why is it that we have to treat those scumbags with humanity, where was was humanity when they killed all those innocent people. In the old west, when you stole a horse from someone you got hanged that was justice.
A fair trial is important every single time because it prevents the system from breaking down, or being overly corrupted, when dealing with cases that are not high-profile and fascinating. The power of the government has to be defined and finite or else we end up with politicians making situational decisions based on short-term political goals. Take Gitmo and American citizens being denied access to the court system as an example.
Any judge who says that Saddam wasn't a dictator is too stupid and incompetent to be worthy of being a judge, anyways.  Sadam's picture would pretty much fit perfectly beneath the word "dictator" in a dictionary!
HE just wanted to be like any other world leader, and just kill as many people as he could. Sad but True. I think the guy that wrote this article is a jerk and its Propaganda. He thinks this is sum kind of break through article. So what
If you kill this guy, which I’m glad, What about the pass and present Israeli Prime Ministers they kill kids and men women too.

The Conquering Country Writes the History.

I’m more of American than most of you who will read this I’m total for this war and I will defend myself and this country so that both you and I can write something like this on the internet.
Juttice

GIVE HIM THE GAS CHAMBER, Hanging is to good for him

                       RAC
Who was executed for systematic extermination of all the Native American Nations, their cultures, their peoples, and the wanton theft and pillaging of their lands by the Anglo Saxon . ( you could say their was a war and they lost and that is why they are still in concentration camps)Reserves.
How about extinction of all the Caribbean, and Tasmanian  Peoples .by the British
The Brutality of the British in Africa, Australia, India, China, Ireland, Scotland ect.
" Sad am Was fighting a Civil War in his own country"
What did Lincoln do in his civil war?
What did the French Do in theirs?
What did the English do in their many civil wars including the War of the Rose?
What did Otto Eduard Leopold von Bismarck do to Unify Germany?
And that's but a paltry few.
Power and greed is a volatile mix
Power corrupts, and Absolute power corrupts Absolutely!!! I say no more!
The only comment or headline I want to see
from the "powers that be" are that America
is bringing her boys home and let Iraq and
the rest of the Middle East do what they
are doing anyway... and killing our soldiers
and others in the process... Enough, already!
hey their justice is better than here in the USA. We find a guy kidnapping 40+ young men, torturing them, murdering them, eating them, and we give him life in jail and debate if evidence can be used against him because cops don't knock first? of course if you kill an abortion doctor you automatically get the death penalty, get appeals denied, and generally abused by the media and so-called justice system on your way to the electric chair. who the hell are we to complain about anyone's system of injustice?
All I can say is "Halabja". Mr. Ali's sentance is a little late.
I am 56 years old, lawyer.Before:-justice clerk, prosecuter and judge.I have star working portuguese courts in 1969.Later, came to Macau, former portuguese colony in China.40 years experience, almost.Trials are orders of one regimen, or good or bad.Everybody knows what is now Iraqui Regimen:-terrorism, revanche, assassinatios.What is the Maliki's order about Ali? Of course, assassination.
its so sic to see the comments of hatred against america bush cheney are not murderes and to label them as so is bordering a threat. and if it werent for america giving away money to most of these countries we would be worse off people that hate america hate that we are a free nation and wealthy oneYEAH YOU!! YOUR JUST JEALOUS! as form my husband and all the families over there fighting this war i hope it will end soon and HOPE that Iraqis will stand up for themselves against jihadist looneys as far as hlf the losers who drive their cars & buy their coffee's and breathe air, be fregin thanksful and hug a vet FREEDOM ISNT FREE!!!!
Interestingly enough, Donald Rumsfeld was pictured shaking the hand of Saddam Hussein only a year or two after this "massacre" happened...where was the outcry for justice then?  Hint: There was none because, Saddam Hussein didn't wake up one morning and go on a killing spree, rather it was a response to civil insurrection and an assassination attempt which we knew about and were okay with 20 years ago, when Saddam was our one of our Allies (read: being used for our purposes).  So, the shoe is on the other foot and now we are wishing swift justice for the poor Iraqi's that we didn't care about 20 years ago?  So to avoid being hypocritical, we need to lead by example, so...
how many were killed to quell the Confederate insurrection (surely, the poor Confederates should have been left alone)?  How many were killed to stifle Indian insurrections (and force them into concentration camps)?  How many were killed in African slave revolts (heck, how many Africans were killed simply for the sake of having slavery in America)?  How many Anglo-Saxons were executed for THEIR crimes against humanity?  Oh, I'm sorry, that never happened which is why America is a shining beacon of human rights over the centuries and able to dictate to other countries what they should do in their own soverign nations.  You insolent, arrogant, self absorbed Americans need to forget about what goes on in Iraq and start paying for your own crimes.  I'm sure you will find that there is not enough wood in the forests to build the number of gallows you will need.  Never mind, American's are too busy getting facelifts and sucking down antidepressants to notice what the world already knows (and finds infinately amusing).
So long as oil is still in Irak and Halliburton is not liquidated, it doesn't matter how many Iraqis and Americans will die there. This war is no Vietnam. The resources in Iraq are sufficient enough to make Bush and Cheney "stay the course".
I hope they hurry up and give him the death penalty that he deserves.  As far as the Iraq conflict:  Use our troops to protect the oil only and keep it flowing. Use the oil profits to reward peaceful villages/tribes and use our Airforce to bomb the Hell out of any insurgents.
Justice is served when guilty people are punished. period! Do you think our justice system is better? We allow rich people with powerful attorneys to corrupt our system and let guilty people walk.


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