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Farewell to Mohammed*

Posted: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 1:19 PM
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After four years of coming in and out of Baghdad, I've learned to always expect some kind of change each time.

Like a violent storm, with an occasional lull, there would always be some deadly shift:  more kidnappings, tortured bodies, car bombs, booby-trapped donkey carts, phony cops at phony checkpoints, and always more of the improvised explosive devices.

But if there was any constant or calm at the center of the storm, it was those members of our local staff, the ones who would never leave. That is, until now. Mohammed*, our fixer/local producer, has given up, and has left to find a new life.

I arrived last week to the news that Mohammed would be leaving in a few days, to join his family, who he had moved a year ago to Damascus, Syria. Now he was leaving for good, with his mother. His father refused to leave, saying he was too old to start again.

Actually Mohammed has two families. "It's not easy to leave after four years of working for NBC," he told me. "I've spent more time with NBC these last four years than even seeing my own family. I expected one day to finish with NBC, but not like this."

Fear surpassed hope
A climate of fear and terror had made his life unbearable. (See Mohammed's last blog).  

Mohammed is a Sunni, and even though his neighborhood, al-Gdeer, is a mixed one, Shiite militias roam the streets, setting up checkpoints, looking to flush out Sunnis. And to work for a Western firm is even worse.

The clouds for Mohammed had darkened over the past two months. "Strangers started coming to my neighbors asking details about me. ‘What is he doing? Why isn’t his family with him? Why does he only come home every few days?,’" Mohammed said. "They also went to my university teacher. They wanted to know who I worked for."

I remember Mohammed from the beginning. We had arrived in Baghdad days after the city fell, and set up our first office at the Hammurabi Hotel.

In those days, the only street traffic was from the Abrams, M-1 tanks, and Humvees rolling through the city. Most Iraqis were staying put until they were sure that Saddam really was gone.

But Mohammed pulled up to our hotel in an old Peugeot sedan, looking for a job. He offered to be a driver/translator. He had no experience with the media, and his background was in tourism. Still we hired him, and also saddled him with the tedious chores of logging and filing the hundreds of field tapes we were accumulating. He never complained and ended up being our longest-serving Iraqi employee hired after the fall of Saddam.

Grace under pressure
Over time, he became part of the heart of our coverage in Iraq: developing contacts with each of the three Iraqi governments, from the Iraqi Governing Council to the first elected government under Nouri al-Maliki. With his gracious style he had an "in" with all of the different prime ministers' offices and became one of our main troubleshooters, especially when it came to discreet dealings with the Ministry of Interior and the police.

He also had a front-row seat to history: the three Iraqi elections, the war against the insurgency, the capture and trial of Saddam Hussein, and, of course, Saddam's execution.

He also lived through and remained a sea of calm during some traumatic moments for NBC: two different bomb attacks of our offices; the forced re-location of numerous local staff members’ families out of country; and even the kidnapping of one of our local employees.

He was a study of grace under pressure, with a good sense of humor to throw in. He is a tireless worker, reliable, and trustworthy – qualities that are not always apparent in a lot of people here.

The ‘future is very black’
But through all this, Mohammad was losing his own identity. "When I started I was so excited and proud to work with NBC. I was so eager to get an NBC ID…I was proud to show it at a checkpoint. But then I started to hide the ID and even started to hide my own personal ID. I stopped saying I was a journalist." In the end, he even told people he was looking for a job.  

Now he is bitter about Saddam and bitter about the future, "When they captured Saddam, he deserved a double execution. For what happened to us during the 30 years of his regime and for what is happening now because of him," Mohammed said.

"And now the future is very black. It's more than one year for this government, and we've gone from bad to worse.  The main thing on the agenda was to get rid of the militias. But as we see now, the militias are still the biggest threats to the future of Iraq."

More than 750,000 Iraqis have fled to Jordan since the war began and Syria has become the second gateway for another 1.2 million. According to the United Nations, up to 2,000 Iraqis line up daily seeking entry at the Syrian border.

Mohammed has now joined that exodus and from now on he will only say that he is a refugee. We will miss him and I worry that he is not the only calm in the storm that we’ve lost. 

 * The complete names of local journalists are not used to protect their identity.

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There IS a "solution" to "our war" in Iraq. "If you break it, you own it" is the infamous quotation from Colin Powell. Unfortunately, Powell's training and sense of duty kept him from exposing the Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld-Bremmer idiocy that "won" the battle for Iraq but lost the war. We could have won the war and should have won the war, but dissolving the Iraqi Army in 2003 instead of having them "on our side" created an unemployed enemy that now only wants us to leave. The "solution" to ending the fighting in Iraq is to realize who benefits most by a decimated Iraq being unable to add to the world's oil supply. The countries with the most to gain are Saudi Arabia and Iran. Our excursion into Iraq to eliminate Saddam was "almost" as if Saudia Arabia and Iran had "out-sourced" their war with Iraq by having us fight it for them. What Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld-Bremmer failed to understand is that after over 20 years of despotic rule by Saddam has created a culture of corruption. Iraq is no longer capable of having any type of civilized government. Except for a few areas such as the Kurdish part of Iraq, most of the "honest" Iraqis have either fled Iraq, are dead, or soon will be dead. The ONLY way to purge Iraq of the culture of corruption and violence is to disarm Iraq door-to-door and border-to-border. Except will take an additional 350,000 troops which is a lot more than our meager "surge" could ever supply. The United States does not have the manpower, resources, will, or credibilty for such an effort. However, there IS a country that DOES have the manpower, resources, discipline, and credibilty with the Muslim countries that can bring peace to Iraq. We need to out-source our war in Iraq to some other country. That country is China. China also has the most to lose of any other country if the US economy fails since we are their biggest customer. They also have the most credibility with the Muslim countries of any industrial country in the world. They also have a greater need for Iraq's oil than we do, and China has as much expertise to re-build Iraq as we do. We need to go to the United Nations (most of whose members would love to see us admit failure) and apologize for our misinformation and misunderstanding of the existence of Weapons of Mass Destruction and the mess we have created in Iraq. We need to beg the UN to send in a 350,000 Chinese peacekeeping force to Iraq so that Iraq does not become another Cambodia. If we do so, we can get our troops out in 90 to 180 days and have them replace by 350,000 Chinese troops. If Iran and Saudi Arabia and Jordon stop the supply of weapons and insurgents into Iraq (which adequate border patrols could not monitor), it is very likely that the violence in Iraq would end in 6 to 18 months. The biggest reason for it NOT happening is not opposition from Iraq, Iran, or Saudi Arabia, but opposition from Halliburton and its subsidiaries because we are destroying their "cash cow." And until Cheney dies or is impeached, the US will have our soldiers dying to benefit Halliburton rather than for the benefit of Iraq or the US. If you agree with my observations, please pass them on. There is no dishonor is stopping a fight when it is futile and based upon a mistake.
When I read these posts I had many thoughts of why leaving Iraq is the right thing to do for Mohammed and that we should thank him for sticking by his country for the four Years that he did but one thing comes to mind regarding the 2000+ per day that the Iraqi's are vacating there own country. That is around 700,000 strong in just one year that could help fight these extremist's and help save his country. I believe staying the course by his countryman is the better choice but the choice has to be made by the indiviuals.
The Middle East is absolutely insane. I want nothing to do with any of those nations; they all make me sick. But I do feel terrible for their citizenry. Well, the U.S. can say they tried to give them a better life and sacrificed a lot to do it, and for what? Staggering ingratitude and constant demonization by their "leaders." The way I feel now, screw 'em...all of them. Someday, PC apologists will come to realize radical Islam has one non-negotiable objective: to slit each and every one of our throats. "Gee, maybe they were the bad guys after all."
The remark "He is a tireless worker, reliable, and trustworthy – qualities that are not always apparent in a lot of people here", strikes me as demeaning to the people of Iraqi. This blog tells me more about the distorted cultural lens through which the US media view the Middle East and Iraq than it does about the actual conditions in that country.
For those of you with stunted memoray of history, 9/11 was the direct result of Bush senior's involvement in the 1st Gulf war. This is what happens when we continously want to stick our nose in other countries. What you get is blowback, aka, 9/11. Blowback from junior's misdeeds will make 9/11 sound like a friecracker and will haunt us for a generation or more. Senior gave us 2000 terrorists. Junior, always wanting to out do his father, has given us 200,000+ terrorists and 1.4 billion pissed off people. Way to go Neocons.
its a very sad thing our boys are over there fighting for there freedom and they keep trying to blow them up or kill there own people
We need to provide sanctuary in the US for these folks who have put their life at risk. Having messed up their country, at least this is the least we can do. Remember, just like going to a china shop, if you break it, we have to buy it.
Food-for-oil. Meaningless UN sanctions backed by whimps in Europe, and dictators worldwide. Russia and France doing their damndest to profit in Iraq and sell weapons to Iran and North Korea. Liberal doves that would rather turn their backs on the world problems than confront and eliminate them. Women forced to live as slaves, with no education, no rights, and no ability to refuse. An entire volume of UN recorded weapons that are just gone; weapons that require huge factories in the US to make them safe. In WWII, Dr. Seuss portrayed Americans as worthless, lazy, head-in-the-sand cowards. Amazing how in 70 years, things haven't changed. We can stand up to the criminals, or let them over-run us. It appears that our Congressional kakistocracy, and our President as it's leader, have chosen to let them over-run. We look for failure, and we need only view as far as our own Government.
Comment to those who think that Mohammed is a coward by quiting: what would you do if you and your family were in this situation? I would do exactly what he has done. Sacrificing your self is one thing, but putting your entire family at extreme and clear risks when you know that there are better options for them, is immoral. Every man for himself, and safe your family first, before your country. Let's be realistic.
I am terrified by what I have been reading. It isn't the terrorists that scare me...it is the fact that 80% of people posting comments on this board can't spell!
Don't blame the US for jihadist violence in Iraq. No American ever piloted a bomb-laden car into a crowded market in Baghdad with the intention of killing men, women and children. Our mistake was to stay too long. Having left a body part there, I can say that it sure as h*ll wasn't worth it. Not at all. The physical toll, the toll on my family -- the ingratitude of my employer, all would have left me a bitter man if I didn't have my fellow unit members and veterans to rely upon. Even my adoring wife will never understand. I have this to console me: that when the bullets flew, I didn't cower or run, I fought back. Some men are cowards, some are reluctant heroes, some are bona fide courageous men and women. I'm no hero, but I know I'm not a coward. That's what I cling to as the one thing that means anything personally to me.
so sad that the freedom we have some takes for granted when others live in fear.It is so heart broken to see people suffer because of the country they are from or because of their race..
It's so easy to tell someone. stay put and keep fighting. this guy would not know if the next man that passes him on the street, will pull a knife,throw a bomb or Lord knows what. We don't have to live what he is living. His family is sitting in a country where they can be a target.Even still somebody has got to stand up to the people trying to destroy his country and stop them. We can talk, but these people have had more than thirty years of this stuff. God help us all.
Better to remain silent and thought a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt
Meh. I don't pity any of them. The Iraqi's have the ball in their court and are dropping it. This type of "I'll just quit..." attitude disgraces the soldiers of all ethnicities who died to give them freedom. Have fun in Syria, Coward.
yeah middle east is a mess, you think iraq is bad wait till syria and iran.. war is so unreal, and its part of human nature.. sad
Last comment from tughral Mirza : Why would you want to let middle east people into the u.s. and kick out the latins who have made the country tons of bucks ?
yeah middle east is a mess, you think iraq is bad wait till syria and iran.. war is so unreal, and its part of human nature.. sad
there is a simple solution to all this. Americans who want to fight should go to Iraq, and Iraqis who don't want to fight should come to America. Mr. Bush could then be called President of the United States of Iraq. Less worry, be happy :) . Also, people who are saying their kids are forced to go fighting in Iraq... well, those kids joined the army VOLUNTARILY and are being PAID to do their job. It's sissy - not to mention unethical and totally immoral - to run from duty to your employer when it's finally time to earn your pay. If fewer people joined the army, well... there'd be less of an army in Iraq don't you think? And fewer of those "MY SON"-types would be dying in a foreign (read: occupied and hence ours) country for the rights of foreign (read: occupied an hence ours) people. I don't blame Mohammed for leaving. He probably has little kids.
Rob,Boston, MA I can identify with your comment and believe you only left one thing out. $$$ for the U.S.
Mr Allan Hytowitz, American soldiers dying in Iraq is disagreeable but Chinese soldiers dying in Iraq is not? What kind of logic is that? We have to stop outsourcing our brains people.
To those heroes here who are excoriating "Mohammed", from 6000 miles away, for "running" instead of "fighting back": what are his chances if he tried? The local militias and jihadis are tracking him. He's not armed and armored, like our troops. Unless he joins one of the gun gangs himself, he's a sitting duck. Do you want to fly in and take his place?
Intellectually, we are way off base with the idealism of creating individual rights, the rule of law and the hope of a democracy in a muslim society. Bottom line, Mohammed is a nice guy that had his dreams crushed by the middle eastern religion that tolerates and perpetrates murder of men, women and children for no other reason than to control and subdue their rights and individual freedoms. Sounds like hell.
Oh! all the experts. I wish those who talk about history repeating read more history, like when the continental congress wanted to replace General George Washington with General Gates. What a disaster that would have been. The reason: "This war is not going well" its actually tough!!!??? And if I hear one more inflated statement about Haliburton I may puke. Come on countrymen lets have less hyperbola and more solutions.
People, everywhere, want two things, and sometimes do extremely violent things to get them: - To feel secure that they won't lose the little that they have. - To do something important at least once in their life.
Lets see. North Korea is threatening to annihilate us with nuclear weapon but the Bush administration is using diplomacy to resolve the issue. North Korea is a country that has a proven nuclear weapon and is actually willing to us it against the United States but we're not invading that country! Don't you Bush stoogies get the irony here. Iraq, no nuclear or biological weapon, but we invaded them and sacrificed our troops. For what? So we could drive the biggest and baddest SUV and maintain our freedom. What happened to the true conservative in this country. We are not the police of the world and our country can never do it alone. Terrorism is an ideal and it can never be defeated with military might alone. Do I know the answer to fight terrorism? Heck, no. I'm as dumb as Dubya but at least I do not have the power to sacrifice some poor soldiers in the name of the mighty Oil God.
I have said it before and I'll say it again. Iraq is not about politics or religion. Solidiers ( U.S.) die over there, why? One less mouth to feed. One less person to compete with, one less person to give medical and retirement benefits too, one less person who will destroy the life's of many. One less future convict. The century of survival is what its called folks. Well I have heard that before you say. Then again history always repeats itself! My point: only a few, NOT THE BEST survive.
Don atkinson, you're an idiot. He's under constant death threats and you want him to stay, just because "we're dying for them"?? Do you really care that much about *them*? If war ravaged your city and your family was in danger, would you stay just to make the lives of the soldiers who came into help worthwhile? It's people like you that give Americans a reputation for ignorance.
I believe you are a coward, war is till you die or you kill all. i am an immigrant from mexico and arrived to U.S. at age of 5. now at 35 it upsets me that i was never allowed to serve this nation at war. but will if called to do so, i have five children and they see me cry when i speak of our men die for freedom. hope you live a happier life with your face to the ground. because my chin is up when i walk, i'm mexican by birth but PROUD AMERICAN by choice. allah, allah chingada
Great job NBC once again. You guys always see the glass as half empty. Reporting news with the mentality of “if it bleeds it leads” is the very reason why you continue to lose market share along with the other big news networks. Your executives always explain away the loss of viewers as competition. The real truth is people are going elsewhere for their news. Places such as the blogs like PajamasMedia.com, Hotair.com as well as the countless blogs of our beautiful soldiers who are telling it like it really is (because they are there living it). We want good news. We want to feel good as Americans that our blood and treasure we are sacrificing every day in Iraq is making a difference. Yes, we have made HUGE blunders in Iraq. We made a mess of Iraq and made a promise to the Iraqi’s that we would leave their country better than we found it. That promise is reiterated every day by our troops while the Iraqi’s are begging them not to leave. Brian Williams saw that with his own eyes. Does keeping our word not mean anything anymore? Are we really a paper tiger like Bin laden said? Are America’s best days behind us? What you guys are reporting on Iraq on a daily basis is not even close to what is going on over there. There is a lot of positive progress being made by our brave soldiers every day. Ramadi? What about the progress there? How about the Anbar Salvation Council? Attacks in that province are down from 30 per day a year ago to less than 1 per day. That was the most violent and lawless place in Iraq just a year ago. Where is that positive news? Did you know that there are only 9 reporters embedded with US troops in the entire country of Iraq currently? That is 9 reporters total from all countries! Those are true embeds. Not Brian Williams coming in for two or three days and mostly sitting safely in the green zone. You can’t get your reporting accurate when you are not there to see it with your own eyes. Doing a 1 day embed does not cut it! It requires continuous embeds with the troops. Giving us third and fourth person hearsay accounts from people who are not trained journalists is not reporting! You only report rumors, lies, and half-truths that way. Everyone reading this post needs to think about this: The media is a big advertising machine. Think about it. When a company wants to promote a product, service, or an agenda what do they do? They usually run 30 second commercials in programs that reach their intended audience. Well look at all the hours of free airtime the network news organizations have to drill negative depressing news into us. Remember the coming stock bubble in the late 90’s? How about the bursting real estate bubble in the past year? How about the coming future stock bubble? They say how high can it go? Its gonna crash and its going to be really bad! Eventually by being bombarded with this negative propaganda we start to believe it. The media just has no clue how much they affect this great nation of ours. They make our troops sound like poor weak soldiers who can’t defend themselves. Their deployments are too long. The Army is on the verge of breaking down. They can’t keep this up for much longer! They are gonna collapse. They are at the breaking point… blah blah blah….. That is such BS! Our troops are the best trained, best equipped, and best ones for this difficult task. Are they up to it? Can they do it? How about the fact that the Marines are continuing to exceed their re-enlistment goals? Why is that? BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE IN WHAT THEY ARE DOING! IF YOU SAY YOU SUPPORT OUR TROOPS THEN, YOU SUPPORT THEM, YOU SUPPORT THEIR MISSION, AND YOU SUPPORT THEIR PLAN. If not then go live with the rest of the surrender monkeys in Europe who think appeasement will work with the terrorists. By the way Al Qaeda is pissed at the French for whom they elected as President and has vowed to attack them now. America is the greatest country in the world. Shame on you NBC for focusing 99% of your news on negativity that continues to undermine and erode our confidence and national pride, but wait… there is some good that can come from your news coverage. We could use it as an interrogation tool on the terrorists we capture. We could force them to watch continuous broadcasts of your negative news until they either talk or hang themselves in their cell. Oh wait… that would be considered torture and inhumane. So just keep blasting that garbage to us until you either go out of business or we all slit our wrists because you have convinced us that there is no hope for this country or humanity.
How about this "Mohammad" Dont run, dont hide.... Our GI's aren't. So what makes you so special? NBC?, Americanized? Give me a break "MOHAMMAD"
The United states has more blood on its hands then any other place in the world.This country was founded with blood and will end with blood.We act like we have a model society.Who are we to police the world.Saddam at least had order.Iraq will never be the same no america. People wake up before it is too late.True freedom is not cheap but peace is not either. Free yourself from mental slavery
IMHO Mohammed's situation is the example of what is happening in Iraq that we (Read "W") knew would happen in the first place and chose to ignore, that of a sectarian civil war. Iraq is a tribal country and, with Saddam gone, everyone wants to be top dog, and nothing we can do will ever change that situation. You might as well try to sell ice cubes to Eskimo's as try to sell western style democracy to the Iraqi's. The Iraqi's have no use for anything that will get in the way of hundreds of years of historical infighting between the three major sects that have occupied that land forever. Someday it will be over, and just like, in Viet Nam, the killing won't stop until we leave. Yes, the next President Clinton has a very tough job ahead of her, lets hope that Hillary and Bill can undo what a president who, without his fathers name, couldn't have been elected dog catcher, was able to do to destroy America's credability in the world.
Maureen, your son isn't forced to be there--he signed up to be in the army, of his own choosing. Don't get me wrong; I respect and admire him for doing so, and I pray for our troops regularly. Asmohomed (sorry if I mispelled your name), there are Americans who think this is a travesty and who would apologize to you personally if we could. Going into Iraq had nothing to do with September 11th. Even if Saddam did have wmd, that had nothing to do with 9-11! Saddam didn't attack this country in 2001. The UN inspectors asked for more time, and we refused to give them that! Time! If we still "had" to attack, we could have done it after giving the UN the time they asked for. Jon Tid, your ethnocentrism is part of the reason Americans are looked down on. I'm sure there are Muslims in our military, who are over there fighting. It is easy to criticize someone else for running in war when it is peaceful here. Every religion has its radicals, not just Islam. If you read the Koran, you'll see that it is supposed to be a religion of peace, but others are hijacking it (just like Christians did during the crusades). Thank you, SPC Seavy and Ron Saathoft. Right on, Sunshine, Arkansas Man, Mike, al, Nicolle, Dick, Pat, and I agree 100% with you, Will in TX. Meghan, you mentioned helping those in the areas with oil and letting the others do whatever...we keep hearing that this war has nothing to do with oil. Nick, we hide all of this behind 9-11. We say we had to liberate the Iraqis from Saddam. Well, if we need to liberate folks, why have we done nothing about the starving Koreans under Kim Jong Il? What about those folks in Somalia? If we were really hoping to liberate people, we'd have been in a war a long time ago. What a mess. Let's keep praying, and contacting our representatives in the hope they do something appropriate for once.
If we had spent half of what we did on the initial attack on Bagdahd on hunting down Osama Bin Laden instead, then we'd surely have caught or killed the person responsible for the 911 attacks on us. Then once Bin Laden was out of the way, if we spent just half of what we're spending in Iraq on homeland security we'd be in good shape. I'd be feeling much safer if that had been the case. "I'd rather fight them over there..." oh give me a break! All we're doing is providing fodder for terrorist recruitment videos.
I'm no fan of Sadam for sure, but you must addmit he goverend that people the only way possible,with an iron fist, look at the palistines, just as wild as the damed iraqis, you can dress them up, but you CANT take them to town, dumbcountryboy
It never ceases to amaze me how some people blame the victim for his victimization. The common people of Iraq are leaving in droves, because they fear for ther lives and those of their families. To say that they should fight against their oppressors is ignoring the fact that their lives under Saddam Hussein, while outwardly peaceful, were lived on tenterhooks, because they never knew when they and theirs would become "enemies of the state." Now they're faced with roaming gangs of thugs who care not who they kill, except that they are "different" from the thugs themselves. Torture followed by beheading, car bombs in the marketplace, house to house searches for those "different," demonization and death contracts for those who work for the invaders, corruption in political appointments, militias owned by various feuding mullahs,,, Iraq is a cesspool! Sooner or later, even the oppressed run for the borders, because their lives have taken on a terror that makes them incapable of fighting back. These people are not inherantly cowardly, but there comes atime when enough is more than enough. We should have sympathy, not loathing for those who escape the Iraqi killing fields. Mohammad*: Live long and prosper...
The sun is going down in California as I write this. I imagine it is coming up on the other side of the world. The son-in-law that went to Irag in 2002 as a Marine is back home. He went to the police academy when he returned (good re-entry strategy). After three months of patroling his local city streets, he realized that he was controling marginalized people. He stopped. Now he is a video producer. He shows truth in a way that can be interpreted by the observer. There is a bigger cosmic order that humans have spent thousands of years studying. Many of the early observations of the progression of change in the universe were done by the Babylonians in what is now called Iraq. What they understood 5000 years ago has been lost and covered over by the sands of time. What is left is the calendar and the concept of datum (zero). Most of the people in the world are using the same calendar and clocks. Using those great tools to organize reality has put us into a shared system of timespace. The problem is that each person comes to awareness of time at a different aspect of the moment. This causes distortion in many ways. Communications are distorted. What we see and think and feel are governed by this network of time and so we lose connection with each other. After reading all the emails that preceded mine, I can do the math. We aren't moving from this hell until we have some common understanding.
First of all, to end the inane argument that poor Saddam should have been left in power...The 1990 war in Iraq NEVER ENDED. Clinton failed to garner support to enforce the terms of the cease fire. The man should have been taken out long before W.Bush got in office. Also, my wife works with the weapons inspectors from that time and I can tell you they found traces of WMD that could only have been there hours before. Blame CNN if you never heard that before. Second, before commenting on the poor Iraqi's and how we are making their lives miserable you need to go and research the history behind the strife occurring in Iraq. Most Iraqi's have no concept of a larger war and are acting on the Shiite/Sunni hatred that began in 632AD when the prophet Mohammed died without naming a successor Caliph. Shiite's and Sunni's are killing each other at a higher rate than American soldiers are killing anyone there. Are we so small minded as to think a monster of a man who has attacked and killed thousands of people "just because he could" would be a better leader of Iraq than the people can elect for themselves? I fought in the war, was injured, and have a titanium plate attached to my spine now as a souvenier. I was proud to serve, the cause was just, and the regular people there thanked me. Don't let 10% of the people in that region who are extremists cause you to stereotype all of them. And more importantly...Stop listening to the press to formulate your opinion for you!!!
Pat, you made the comment that we have never fought a war on our soil. That is not correct. The Revolutionary War, the War of 1812, and the Civil War were all fought on American soil. In fact the Civil War was the bloodiest war in our history, because all of the people who died were Americans. But before the Civil War Americans did not think of themselves as Americans first. They thought of themselves as Virginians or Texans, or Tennessee Volunteers, or Hoosiers, or citizens of Massachusetts or New York. The units that fought in that war were troops from the individual states, who were fighting for their states, not their countries. That is the situation in Iraq today. They see themselves as Shiites, or Sunnis, or Kurds, not as Iraqis. It took America a bloody and costly civil war to forge one nation despite the fact that we had been a sovereign country for 85 years. We expect the Iraqis to do in 4 or 5 years what it took us decades to do. We have been incredibly naive. We have forgotten the past and we are now being forced to repeat it.
As americans we take a lot of things for granted. Iraq is just an example of it. We have a tendency to think that our christian based fundamentals could be universaly fitted along with our model of democracy to just anywhere in the world. That couldn't be farther from the truth. Mohammed came too close to our way of life by working for NBC. He stood between two different ideologies: one that loves life and the other one that hates it. He was torn apart by standing in the middle. Could any of us remember any sectarian violence in Iraq while Saddam Hussein was in power? Probably not. He ruled supreme over anyone, anything. Brutality was his middle name and absolutely no one could escape his control nor his diabolic wrath when called upon. That's the kind of ruler these radical peoples deserve! Western democracy is too soft and too forgiving if not naive and weak. Remenber Yugoslavia's General Tito. He kept his peoples under tight control but once he passed away all hell broke loose. Iraq is no exemption to this rule though there are many good Iraqis who long for peace and prosperity but their voices are not being heard loud enough to make a difference. Religious and sectarian fanatism is loud and clear. After all, their suppresor -Saddam Hussein- is long gone. Our young american soldiers are giving their lives so Iraqis could live but -saddly- no one seems to appreciate their ultimate sacrifice. God bless our troops, God bless America.
Working hard for peace usually means going outside of the comfortable realms of acceptance. Radicals of extreme of any group are usually out of touch of their own group they profess loyalty too. So here I say, believe in your religion, but know there are others that take the easy way out of religious conviction, they overstep its religious bounds in the name of it. They use its name as protection from response for inappropriate actions. Its as if a child comes to you after breaking something and says” I am not responsible because I am only 6 years old”, yet the do the same thing when they are 12, and again when they are 20. These people need not be untouched by the laws of the earth. True scholars of any religion know occasionally its time to tame the weeds, or else the garden will be lost. I believe the true victory is for the muslim community to weed out their own lost fruit. And we Americans can continue doing so as we have always been thru the criminal justice system.
Such a shame that the Iraqis did not know of OUR Civil War, and the 'brother killing brother' mentality. Not knowing that history has them doomed to repeating it.
Godspeed Mohammed. To all those who would label him a coward, try living his life. Get out from in front of your t.v's and try nurturing something other than your gut and ego's. The war with Iraq is not going to be better until we get rid of corporate inspired politics(Halliburtin)and the people who support it. As far as pulling out, we can try but it would be more of lobsters in a bucket. Something always pulling us back in.We the people have been replaced by I your leader and it's getting worse.
Well, Saddam was just like Adolf Eichmann or Hitler: he needed to die because he was a mass murderer of innocent people and the 148 Shias who tried to kill him but failed. As the prophet Samuel said to King Agag of the Amalekites in the First Book of Samuel (and now I say the same thing concerning Eichmann and Saddam): "As your sword has made women childless, so shall your mother be childless among women." (1 Samuel 15:33, NAB) I also like to add in the words of Riku/Ansem of "Kingdom Hearts" who said concerning Maleficent, and I quote concerning Saddam's hanging: "A pitiful end for such a fool." Now if only people need to work together to stop the violence that keeps going on in Iraq.
to : t.scott You mention that people forget that if America didn't bring the War to Iraq, that the war would have been brought to America. What you suggest about "taking the War to Iraq" is ideologically parallel to policy led by a German dictator in the 1940s. Gosh. Do you not realize that the founding fathers deliberately established the United States as a xenophobic republic? It wasn't until WWII that the U.S. had any significant play in foreign affairs. Now look where it has led? Relisten to Eisenhower's farewell address. Please. Relisten to John F. Kennedy's speech about the type of peace being sought, "Not a Pax Americana forced upon the world!" Only a generation later, and we see the miltitary industrial complex calling the shots on the Hill and US Citizens are asleep at the wheel failing to call representatives to task on this critical issue of American forein policy.
You tell them kenny. Don AND Tim have thier heads up you know what. They should spend a year over there and they would see that our troops are just spinning thier wheels. Iraq will be a killing field until one sect or the other comes out on top.
The blame for the mess in Iraq is on the Islamofacists. Not on Bush. The US ousted Saddam and set up a mechanism to start the democratic process. What happened next was due entirely to the bloodlust of the peoples of that region. The media tries to blame Bush or the USA but don't you remember when they castigated Bush Sr. for not continuing on to Baghdad in the First Gulf War?
For those who think that what we are doing in Iraq is futile and wrong, then you are ignorant and you're just enjoying the fruits of our fathers who went to war & who made USA the greatest country on earth. I served the military during the active phase of the Iraqi war on immigrant status, now I'm a citizen I am proud to call myself American.I have seen the world/USA in my eyes as an outsider having travelled to 13 countries, I haven't found a place as loving and as beautiful as America. There's a time for peace and a time for war, now we are called to war...Having a choice between Islam and Christianity as a child, I did not regret becoming a Christian. Even then the people I call friends were taught to hate Christians/Americans/Jews/infidels. Any part of the world where there are Muslims, all they care is to propagate a religion of hate and world domination. The excuse is always "jihad", not understanding that there is no such thing as holy war...
pull our troops out, give them (locals) one week to get out if they want and then nuke the whole damn area, end of war!


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