ABOUT WORLD BLOG

NBC News World Blog aims to provide a dynamic look at world events and trends -- both big and small -- from NBC News correspondents, producers, and bureaus around the world. Online entries -- from text to video -- will explore news events and how they are shaping our world.

Regular contributors include NBC News correspondents, producers and staff based in bureaus across the world and on assignment.

Click here to read more about the journalists behind NBC News World Blog.



Copycats threaten U.S. (and Chinese) firms

Posted: Thursday, May 24, 2007 7:33 AM
Filed Under:

By Adrienne Mong, NBC News producer

 

Hong Kong -- You know you’ve hit it big when Chinese companies are trying to counterfeit your product.

 

At least that’s one way Lori Quon* might see it. 

 

Late last year, she and her husband, Danilo - Americans who shuttle between Los Angeles and Hong Kong to run their small family business as well as parent two little girls - launched a new household product that has since taken off, landing in homes around the world.

 

This cleverly simple gizmo -- which organizes shoes -- has been featured in all the right media: TV shows, magazines, and newspapers.  As a result, orders have flooded in from around the world and their product is on back-order.

 

Now they’re anticipating shipping every month at least a container’s worth of goods, which are made in China’s Zhejiang province. 

 

It should be a great boon, but Lori is very attuned to that delicate turning point: when a great product becomes a victim of its own success -- by attracting copycats.

 

“We noticed a few Chinese guys [from business delegations] lingering around our booth at the Chicago trade fair [in March],” she said.  “They were definitely poking their heads around the wall and looking very intently.”

 

China may look innovative, particularly from this Hong Kong vantage point, but observers say it's got a long way to go. (Photo by Adrienne Mong/NBC News)

 

China needs to innovate 

Intellectual property rights (IPR) were supposed to play front and center at the two-day trade talks between the United States and China in Washington, D.C., that wrapped up this week. 

 

No progress on that front, but there could be soon.

 

A veteran China-watcher says that in the long run it’s China that could suffer more from copyright theft -- and Beijing knows it.

 

Intellectual property rights is “a bigger problem for domestic (Chinese) firms,” says Andy Rothman, China Strategist at CLSA, a research and investment outfit in Shanghai. 

 

The country’s economic growth isn’t sustainable just by being “the world’s largest workshop.”  China needs to produce businesses that come up with the kind of “path-breaking innovation” that he says begins with technological breakthroughs.

 

“There isn’t a single innovative Chinese company,” he adds, citing the country’s low rate of patent applications.  At last official count, in 2004, China still only filed 2 per cent of the world’s global patent applications.

 

Battling copycats 

Entrepreneurs like Lori and Danilo are one reason America is still well ahead of China.

 

They’ve patented their product, but their combined experience working in the region has taught them to be cautious.  Their patent covers the United States principally, but for other countries they need to file specific patents for individual countries.

 

But it becomes expensive to file patents.  And until those patents are issued, “somebody could come along and copy it,” Lori says. “We have no recourse until that patent is filed.”

 

Their company could resort to lawsuits, of course, but that’s also costly for a small business.

 

“The whole thing is speed to market, and for people to associate your brand to be the original one, and hopefully it’s better quality,” Lori says.  “That’s why you have to innovate, too.  So when you have the copycats, people can see that you have all the different product variations and be associated as the market leader.”

 

Indeed the couple are rolling out variations of their invention at hyper-speed and hoping to establish a foothold with outlets in the United States, Europe, Israel, and elsewhere.

 

With the American press discussing the high stakes for big American companies like Microsoft and Disney, it’s worth wondering whether negotiations like this week’s result in any substantive legal protection for small businesses like that of Lori and Danilo.

 

“When you’re running your own business, you just have to focus on your own business,” says Lori.  “You’re worrying about making your product, getting it to your customer, and making sure it’s good quality.”

 

*P.S.: Lori Quon is a friend of mine, but her story seemed perfect for illustrating the issues facing manufacturers in both China and the West.

 

Editor's note: NBC's Marisa Buchanan is with Adrienne on this trip to Beijing and wrote about the trade imbalace between China and the U.S. in The Daily Nightly.

MAIN PAGE

Email this EMAIL THIS

Comments

Glenn, Illinois - You raise an excellent point. Lori and Danilo's US patent protects their product from imports from China (or anywhere else) that infringe on that patent. Lori and Danilo need to alert U.S. customs of their patent (if they have not already done so) and make it easy for customs to be on guard for incoming product that violate that patent. But the article does seem to go way beyond this and seems to complain about how their US patent does not reach worldwide. I just did a post on my blog highlighting the shortcomings of this post.
I am disappointed and disgusted with the blatant racism being displayed by some of the respondents to this article. Judging an entire race of people by some of China's institutional practice and some law breaker is the definition of racism. Some of the worse offenders include Antoni S of DC who apparently thinks there are no brain powers to be found in China. The completely hypocritical views of "Duh from USA" claiming China is only looking out for themselves and the US being concerned for the welfare of the world and mankind. That statement is especially ridiculous. Who are the ones going into war to force their opinion on other countries? Who are the ones going to China to begin with to utilize their cheap labor? The US is the biggest investor of China and let me tell you it's not an altruistic purpose. And how is the US looking out for the world if the country is one of the worst offenders in pollution? This blog has brought out some of the resentment and discrimination some people obvious feel and is festering under their surface politeness. Who's two-face now? I'm proud to be a US citizen and live in the US, but sometimes the sheer ignorance displayed by some of the citizens is disheartening.
Yes the Chinese have innovated, here and there, but have no cultural problem with taking hold of an idea. The inventor of gunpowder didn't resent the fellow who mass produced it, likely. That is a cultural trait that, frankly, they need to compromise in dealing with the West.
China Law Blog: What is your agenda? Are you part of one of the PRC's disinformation campaigns? Or are you trying to curry favor with the Chinese on another front, perhaps on behalf of a client or two? You cannot be that naive, and maintain a Chinese law blog. The Chinese blatantly lie about protection, to the point where Hong Kong newspapers pretend that the Chinese were only accused of misappropriating the Lexus trademark. In truth, the Chinese reverse engineered an entire Lexus automobile, ignoring all IP laws. Naturally the Chinese court found China, Inc. (a term I use for the PRC) to be not guilty. You, sir, are diliberately spreading falsehoods. Please refrain in the future.
it sounds like a stupid invention to me. a shoe organizer?! oh, please! :(
the chinese copy-catted our atomic bomb and there was no article written about that. who cares about a shoe organizer! why don't you write about some manly industries?
There are 6.6 BILLION people in the world. Of that, 4.0 billion live in Asia and 1.4 billion of these live in CHINA. There are only 300 million Americans, including the illegals. This means that each American gets 4.6 Chinamen to make our home-invented stuff. So, what's the problem? We can't all be inventors.
I don't see how an article like this benefits anyone. As an American economist watching the U.S.-China trade talks, I think the author might have better spent his/her time addressing a real issue, e.g., grain subsidies, currency inflation/protection, trade deficits, etc. You waste the American public's time with junk like this...
I heard Visio's (flat screen cheap televisions) are made in Chinese enslavement camps. Is this correct? I have found the following website interesting in researching company ethics to help me determine who I would rather shop with. www.buyblue.org
Kimchee from New York needs to re-check his information source. The Chinese did not invent paper, paper was invented by the ancient Egyptians using the Papyrus plant from which 'paper'gets it's name. Chinese civiization began in the 1700s BC whereas the Egyptians were writing on papyri during the Old Kingdom Priod in the 2700s BC.
Ok, so some money hungry "entrepreneurs" who invented a gimmicky shoe organizer want to capitalize on their gimmick. Not everyone believes in intellectual copyrights in the same way as the West, and not everyone will. Deal.
Twenty years from now China will be rendered uninhabitible by pollution. The reason they can do business so cheaply is they have almost no environmental controls, but like anything else there is no free lunch and that hen is coming home to roost sooner rather than later. They will not be able to move their major population centres at any price, and chinese environmental refugees will flood the rest of the world.
Um, am I missing something in this story? These folks are Americans, who...live in America, and their super fantastic invention that was, I assume, invented in America, is being produced where? China? There's a story in the story, and that story is outsourcing. I think a toddler could tell you today where the world's majority of counterfeit products come from. So, let's ask them to produce our products? Okay then, I guess that's the new American dream. Invent, patent, outsource.
Invention of the compass. From Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compass However, it should be pointed out that the compass remained known to the Chinese only in the form of a magnetic needle floating in a bowl of water.[7] The true mariner's compass using a pivoting needle in a dry box was invented in Europe no later than 1300.[8] It was then introduced in China via the sea lanes in the late 16th or early 17th century, according to a contemporary Chinese source by "the Japanese".
Countries tend to respect IP when it becomes in their own best interest to do so. The US was known as the worst violators of IP in the late 1800s and Japan was known as the worst in the 1950s and Korea in the 1960s. Once a country has its own domestic industries to protect, IP becomes important. It's not a cultural thing, its an economic development thing.
What a racist article this is. If you want to make accusations at least provide some evidence. Gee, some Chinese guys stopped by their booth in a trade show, they must be thinking about copycating. Give me a break! Maybe they should post a sign "No Chinese allowed" in in front of their booth. Stop blaiming Chinese for our own problems. Chinese don't force us to buy anything. This is called trade and frankly we get the better end of the deal. Yeah Chinese don't invent anything! They developed nuclear bomb by themselves. The third nation that has sent man to outer space. They made numerous inventions in agriculture to sustain feeding 1.4 billion people on less than 12% of fertile land. Adrienne Mong, whatever your ethnic background is you should be ashamed of yourself. Yeah it's popular to bash Chinese, China don't you have some sense of duty to tell the truth at least some time about China.
Norman; Feel sorry for you. You do not know any History, read some history books befor you talk.
I am a foreign expert living in China going on 6 years now. China has indeed cut back in the public to nil on copyright violations of DVDs and software , and I myself have seen the policing. They have done the right thing. China indeed has food police, DVD police, and even police in MacDonald's. The issue is not China's problem in enforcing anything. Nor is it of China being a copycat. But to prepare to be surprised is fortunate I have learned here. It is simply a matter of western corporate expectations of establishing intellectual empires. Globalization - on the lines of wetern owners - is the western dream. We know how it goes. Pay corporations for this - until the last gazmo is produced. Pay the west for that - until the last copy of Star Wars is sold. China knows what is fair, and will go about in in the right way. That much I have learned in almost 6 years here. So please, expect to be taught about this if you think smalltime copycats threaten the billions and billions of dollars worth of established intellectual rights out there! The problem is that the western countries want more and leave nothing (save some leavings) for others. This is corporate predatory practice yet again. I have watched as Microsoft has infested China here like a virus, getting "enterprise" level involvement on OSs - each case paying about a hundred USD to Gates&Co again. Problem is, western countries are junkies wishing to usher in use of their products, leaving crumbs for China and the rest of the developing world. What's n it for anyone to play the IPR game if it gives nothing except use? Believe me, China already has solutions and is working on more, and they are not mere copycats. The brain drain from the crusades of the west have brought reliable people and methods to China and elsewhere. For example I myself taught at Tsinghua in 2005 to students working on completely platform independent Java software for the next generation - in Chinese, for Chinese. They are 2 steps ahead there already, and it is the west who will copycat their solutions. In case you didn't know, Java will work independent of Windows or Vista... Besides we already have precedent of the west breaking treaties granting special rights and such. The west could be said to have zero credibility nowadays anyway, and the need to pay again and again to the same greedy system has less credibility. =-=-=-=-=- for the record - and validation - here is my IP: IP address info: My IP address: 220.193.64.6 (copy) IP country: China IP Address state: Beijing IP Address city: Beijing IP latitude: 39.9289 IP longitude: 116.3883 Your ISP: China United Telecommunications Corporation Organization: China United Telecommunications Corporation
China like Japan a few years ago will be as successful as the U.S. deems appropriate. None of us will ever see the day that the U.S. is not the center of the world economy. If China elects to balk at our concerns we will just remove their largest market from them. We still hold all the cards, we just currently have cowardly leaders afraid to play them.
If you want to know what China is about look at Tibet
The point is this: MSNBC's world blog now sucks. Now what am I supposed to do while at work???
you know what this means, don't you? it means the chinese are now "terrorists".
I'm a Asian girl but not a Chinese. What I knew when I grew up it isn't to buy foods which is said MADE IN CHINA, because I wonn't know what I'm eating. For the goods, Made In China it's low expressing and quality. And my brother have lived whole life in Swisserland told me Chinese was a MASTER OF COPY. So what, if Chinese people like to make copy stuffs of the others in the world, guess what they get. "THE COPIER" on their faces.
Just eliminate patents and copyrights, so called "intelectual property". There was none for centuries. Let's see what happens in the world economy.
Why don't we just eliminate intelectual property? There were no patents or copyrights for many centuries.
It's clearly unacceptable to say anything at all slightly discouraging about any segment of Chinese activity, because all the blame for all the worlds problems must lie with each individual American. I love how the people who bash the article for making generalizations about the Chinese make the same generalizations about the 'lazy, slobbish, ignorant' Americans while the Chinese are the spotless inventors and keepers of civilization itself. (not to mention the historically incorrect assertions!) Both extremes are stupid. And making any such generalizations shows ignorance and a lack of reason. The issues are always more complex and nuanced than that. The article is no exception, it's written as more of a shock piece than real information.
China has invented many things as Kimchee, N.Y. has stated, but cannot be recognized as such with their own patent system. Their government (PARTY) does little or nothing to promote such things as they wouldn't get enough bribe monies to survive as criminals. So they go on their marry way, until we Americans wake up and STOP BUYING THEIR CRAP! Cheap means cheap quaility. Made in AMERICA was quality until the capitalists moved their plants over seas to make them CHEAP, producing CRAP! Wake up AMERICANS!
For those of you that don't understand what the true article means, you should reread it. As for those that don't understand what globalization means, it means to take impoverished nations with cheap labor to become rich nations by equalizing the labor rates world wide to make the world manufacturing market more competitive. Thus, labor rates will equal out eventually some day world wide. The USA is in a "Market Economy" for the last 20 years, which means we develop and market but produce elsewhere. US steel companies complained for almost a 100 years about dumping and needing protection, but lets face it, they were not putting profits back into r&d and now the US steel companies are second class. Other countries make better steal and metal products in most categories and cheaper by utilizing better r&d. The same holds true with American Car companies and other manufacturers. Outsourcing is great if done right and benefits a society, like America if they get smarter by getting better educated. Let's face it, an Armani suit might say made in Italy, but the quality of it is no different than some cheap suit anyone would by at some off brand store. The same manufacturers that make for Armani make for other people, the same quality goes into it those cheap brands, you just pay more for brand name like Armani, but not better quality. Only knock-off's are made cheaply. I bought suits that cost $500 to $1000 each, but lasted only a year a two and I had a suit that cost only $100 and last 4 to 5 years and was worn much more. As for IP, please, a shoe organizer is not something that should be protected, any good hobbiest with the right tools could make that at home and make that overnight. IP stands for "Intellectual Property", like inventing a new engine that runs on fuel that is renewable and does not pollute. The Chinese are only doing what is going to promote and build wealth in their country and try to protect their economy just as everyone else does. Please people, everyone get real, everyone is a copycat of some sort!!!!!!!
Great Wall Expeditions - 1.4 billion chinese only means that there are 1.4 billion chinese, not that they cant be wrong. DOOFUS! On the IP rights issue, they will always copycat and there is not much we can do about it without any power to enforce it. Who cares about the chopsticks and gunpowder and all that ancient crap, centuries old innovation does not somehow obscure present day intellectual laziness. I dont care what they did several hunderd years ago, what are they doing now besides stealing ideas? when you have a repressive society, ideas dont flourish very well. I found it humorous when the soviets copied so many of our designs for fighter aircraft. we were so afraid of the mig 29 until one actually defected to the west and landed in japan. imagine our surprise when we opened up the pride of soviet technology only to find vacuum tubes. the final word is that unless there was a demand for cheap junk in this country sold in every walmart across the fruited plains, there would not really be an issue. demand controls and motivates supply.
China, efficient? Two words...slave labor.
I have two things to say. First, if there isn't a single Chinese company that is an innovator, then who is reponsible for 2% of all world patents coming out of China. Second, if we really want to stop China from copying patented inventions, we need to put pressure on them. The US government is afraid to do anything about patent violations because they are to busy licking their greedy lips over the possible sales to 1 billion people and because they are too busy borrowing money to pay for the federal deficit. We could do a lot to crack down on these patent violations, but we would first need to put aside our own greed which seems to be impossible.
The Walmart mentality of Americans, American businesses and corperate greed in general are the fault for Chinese copycats. The only way to make a company share-holder happy is to pay him something. How do you do that? Cut costs by outsourcing manufacturing to China. No Unions, health insurance, maternity leave, cost of living increases or any of the other one-time job benefits that everyone now thinks is their God-given right as an American. We got too demanding with our job perks and companies sent the manufacturing to Mexico (remember that?). When the Mexicans started crying for more than $0.50 and hour, the companies moved the jobs to India and China. Tainted food for your pets, you and now poisoned toothpaste all coming from China should convince us not to do business with them. But I'm sure some risk assessment somewhere says it's still better for profits to kill some consumers than pay more for manufacturing. The US allowed Japan to dominate the television market in the 50s/60s by allowing them to import TVs at below cost. Small fines were paid to the government and the practice continued until they ran American companies out of business or forced them to outsource to compete with Japanese prices. Who's fault was that? The US Government for allowing it and US consumers for buying a cheap product as opposed to good ones. Now Japanese products are superior quality and US electronics are nearly non-existant. A self-created situation based on profits, government inaction and consumer ignorance. The only difference now is that it is China this time. The finger needs to be pointed at America and its corperate practices, not China. If you continually invite someone you don't like to go swimming, don't keep crying that they keep peeing in the pool.
fix the issue by buying american when you can, if you can still find it. they cant make a quality tool to save their life but sure make tasty food, so long as it isn't from the humane society. they dont respect IP and neither do they practice american cleanliness in their cooking and will save a buck by scaping unused food back onto the buffet. try washing your hands when you use the potty too! forget about IP, i think there is a conclave that is trying to destroy us by making us sick
who is to blame ?, one of china's largest trading partners is also the largest retailers in the world, a US based company, who has set up factrys to make stuff to sell to the US. They are china's bigest trading partner, I unloaded the trucks at one of the stores, a lot of made in china labels. They are the bigest retailer in the US also and if they were a country would be there 8th largest trading partner. So who is buying this stuff, are there jobs more inportant than a cheep product? next time you go to the big box mart, buy from inporters who don't play fair, don't cry because you lost your good paying job. The price of stock is more inportant than your standard of living. Untill the greedy american bussiness belive diffrently. AT its rate of groth china will need a new earth in the next 20 to 50 years, ignore environental laws ad nausuin. At one time we didn't inport more than we export, now we do, and we are now paying the price. only thing is that this is a pretty old problem that has been out of control and now we are starting to realy feel it's affects, wonder what it will feel like 20 years from now, the fact that the way the PEOPLE who make this stuff are treated like slaves should have made us not buy there products to start with, but who can pass up a deal. I hate to say it but as americans we made our colective beds, and there not comfortable. the worst thing is I had and debated this opinion over 20 years ago. We had the choise at one time but not it's no longer ours as we sold it at the ballot box. mostly single issue voters who elected the people who gave us nothing in return. most didn't even hold up there end of the bargin on the issue they made there ancores.
China Blog, who sponsors you, the PRC directly, or are you trying to curry favor for some clients. You are disseminating falsehoods. Please provide verifiable sources.
"Buy American"? What a joke. You mean buy something made in China which costs more because some big cat American executive is taking a huge cut out of the price. Why should I buy American when it is made in China anyway? Give me a break. I buy the cheapest product I can find because American product are not made in America anymore anyway.
All I was point out that for this company to expect protection of its IP from China, it has to register its IP in China. The same would be true in the United States in that the U.S. does not recognize Chinese patents over here. This is basic international law. My firm's clients are overwhelminging American businesses who are unhappy with China's protection of IP rights. So all of you who believe my views are based on potential pecuniary gain actually have things backwards. I will add, owever, that unlike those of you who seem to believe American IP rights apply worldwide, my clients are smart enough to know this simply is not the case and so they register their IP in China so they at least have some legal basis to protect their IP under Chinese law for protection. Frankly, I am sick of articles written by Western journalists who go over to China for a week and then take the side of the Western company that was too cheap to register their IP in China and yet still expects China to protect them. I have news for all of you and that is that China is just like every country in the world in that you must abide by its laws to secure the protection of its laws. Much copying is perfectly legal and if you want to stop it from happening, you must register your IP to prevent it. But if you don't register your IP, you can always seek medai coverage regarding Chinese companies copying you.
"Buy American"? People say buy American, but most "American" products are not made in America anyway. It is just the executives that are American. Yeah, buy your American car made in Mexico to support who? Let's see, the workers were not American, but the CEO is American. Of course, the CEO does not pay any taxes to the government of America (Read how the corporate minimum tax has been abolished). Of course, the CEO wants you to buy from him, even though his product costs more and even though he isn't willing to employ Americans because he wanted to save money. And of course, the CEO wants us to get all upset over the copycats in China even though it has no effect on the rest of us anyway. I say, buy the cheapest product you can buy unless it is a company that refuses to outsource jobs.
"Now they’re anticipating shipping every month at least a container’s worth of goods, which are made in China’s Zhejiang province. " Since their product is made in China I have zero sympathy for these two carpet baggers. They want to take advantage of low wage labor in China for their own enrichment. I hope the Chinese innovate over their product and become the dominant player in thier market. And shame on all American companies who wish to exploit the Chinese workers at the expense of American consumers/labor. This is what will be the downfall of our American Empire, the love of money over love of people.
Point: China isn't Communist anymore. DO your homework. They have a hybrid government model now that they've tweaking since the 80's that barely resembles Communism as your parents remember it from when they had to hide under their school desks during missile drills in the 50's and 60's. After living in the U.S and China, I must say I feel much more safe and more FREE in China than I ever did in the U.S. You guys are victims of endless propaganda and self-imposed tunnel vision. Get outside of your own country for few years and then you'll actually see the world and America for what it REALLY is. Communism is a form of socialism, yes?. The one question on the immigration exam that pretty much all REAL would Americans fail? "United States- What form of government?" They all give the same answer: Democracy. Wrong! The correct answer is?*gasp* Socialism!Yes, that's right, Democracy is another form of Socialism. You guys brow-beat China to death when actually the two countries are very much alike. The only difference? China does things openly in front of the people while the U.S. does all the same things, but behind everyone's backs (and then has the nuggets to lie about it). Same stage, different dressing. Microsoft is the biggest government-approved IP pirate in the world.
Even if they did patent their product in China, that would be a joke. Copyrights in general are a joke in China, and if you don't believe me, you've never seen the fake-Gucci stalls in Lady's Market in downtown HK. There is no enforcement of copyrights, and it is hurting MANY industries (music, especially) in China. As an American business student who participated in a Chinese business institute in HK, I learned the general thinking is that if you can take it or recreate it, it's yours. And you can pay off any authorities who might question it. As far as them not being creative, it is a product of their historical past. They have capitalism now for sure, but the Chinese have not been taught to be creative or value creativity or individuality. In fact, most haven't been taught much but how to survive. The good news is that if your product is stolen in China to be distributed in the USA, you can stop and control that. Who cares if they're selling to the Chinese for pennies? You don't want that market anyway!! Personally, I think it's very cool that there is a renegade business world out there, and a smart American can learn how to make it work for them!
The chinese readily sell and copy cat anything for money, including selling their girls into sex slavery for the dirty buck. wake up America. These selfish people will take over the world economy. Will then plunge and plunder all acceptable human rights and international standards of rules of engagement between peoples and countries.
As WorldBlog pointed out in one of the comments, historically, large industrializing nations tend to be greater infringers of copyright(USA in late 1800s, Japan in 1950s, Korea in 1960s). After they make a name for themselves, standards of living improve, and thus more people can become inventors, then the nation stops being a copycat. United States, Japan, and Korea have all gone through that phase and no one can justifiably say that any of these three nations are copycats in this day and age. I think the article is just trying to point out that given China's current stage of development, its industries are copycat-ing much more than they should be. I've seen a statistic saying that 92% of all software sold(?) in China is pirated, which is within the top five in the world in terms of percentage(therefore far and away #1 in absolute numbers). What's more worrying is that so much of this activity is *organized*--very large, coordinated operations are dedicated to the business of ripping off other people's products--as pointed out by several of the anecdotes seen in the comments. That comment about the chinese customer blatantly declaring that they were going to copy the guy's product was scary. Personally I remember visiting Shenzhen in 2005, and having difficulty telling apart the pirated software from the real ones. They are *that* good at copying. All of this effort that Chinese industries appear to be making to copy rather than to do something new is what is the problem here. I believe Brazil and India are at a similar level of development right now as China, but we don't hear about such problems from them. If someone can shed any light on *why* China is still copying so much, I would definitely appreciate it. Two more things: 1. The Chinese being inventive during a certain period in history doesn't explain a whole lot about how they are now. I think historians generally attribute China's classical innovativeness (paper, clocks, gunpowder, steel) to certain dynasties having innovation-minded policies(like the Song Dynasty), while others (Ming, Manchu) being repressive/conservative allowed China to fall behind technologically. Another example: The Italian people descended(mainly) from the Romans, the strongest warrior civilization of their time. Yet 2000 years later Italian military performance has been embarrassing. Culture and government policy play a huge role in a nation's innovation. 2. Somebody used the urban legend about Japan renaming a city "Usa" in order to put "Made in Usa" on their products. AFAIK this is not true. The city named Usa(宇佐市) has apparently been named Usa since 725 AD, and the city itself has never been an industrial center. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usa%2C_%C5%8Cita
You must file your registeration in China to get protection. China does not follow international law as the person, chinalawyer implied.
Geesh! There are some stupid Americans. Some good points, some bad points. Whatever. The bottom line is 90% of you people cannot spell to save your asses! How are we going to fix anything in this country when it looks like most of our country speaks and/or writes like hillbillies living in the mud. Did you think it might be possible you may be just as stupid and lazy as the slimy Chinese you all rail on in this blog? It sure reads like it. I hope and pray you all get some ejoocayshun soon! (For you dimwits, yes I misspelled that word on purpose.)
You know ,making excuses like the chinese commies do----they love to cry-out that they're"Our poor asses ,we poor 3rd world cry baby crap ----- Yeah don't have the guts to open up thier own markets.We here in the U.S.A. have the free-est markets in the world.If the chinese opened thier markets,man we would really be making mega moolah.American Co.'s don't have the guts - they are addicted to super cheap chinese labor opium,and offshore banks.Damn those poor folks in those f##@-*p factories.You know,if you manufacture in china,after your benevolent profit taking grace period,which is bestowed by the chinese "fake-a*&" commies,the communist party is entitled to take over your biz,all of it.They may not get the ir rights,but they'll keep it cranking out the goods. ?HOW DO YOU LIKE THOSE APPLES?
well you have already created china, and another new china in iraq, see cheap labour!! who can work for you all night for WALMART!!!! to make your barbies look prettier. everyone likes cheap things. and you have shown how to create it. why crib about it!!!! ( sorry for being hmmm racist ) but thats the way i felt soory folks!!!!!
I am going to spend a few minutes durng my afternoon break here to respond to the 3 subsequent posts which came in after I posted this morning. 1." China like Japan a few years ago will be as successful as the U.S. deems appropriate. None of us will ever see the day that the U.S. is not the center of the world economy. If China elects to balk at our concerns we will just remove their largest market from them. We still hold all the cards, we just currently have cowardly leaders afraid to play them. Lance Carroll, NC (Sent Thursday, May 24, 2007 4:38 PM)" ----- Actually this poster reminds me of the attitude of Bush presenting to the UN last fall, and then especially of Hugo Chavez' remarks stating that the devil came here to talk yesterday - and spoke as if he owned the world. Perhaps a psychiatrist would help. I wonder how Mr. Carroll and his children, already struggling with the groaning debt of U.S. wars in the 21st century will be able to pay the China trade deficit approaching a trillion dollars? With more empty western promises and tall mildly threatening talk? Thanks, like Bogie said in Casablanca to the bully approaching the bar in Rick's Casino, "You cash is good at the bar." Or maybe Mr. Carroll thinks enough bombs can change the minds of the world since the two big 1st century war blunders have gone so well, at least according to their controlled press? One can agree with him, perhaps the world is indeed just not big enough to keep such states around, but it is certain that the whole world is carrying on and will continue to hold the best - and most - cards. I wonder what it would have been like if the recent China trade delegation had come to DC bearing a big whopping bill for the billions in goods made on the backs of poorer Chinese workers? 2."If you want to know what China is about look at Tibet jazzy (Sent Thursday, May 24, 2007 4:43 PM)" Yes, indeed! Take a look at the success. Tibet now has trains, communication, trade, education, and health care. Before China took the affirmative action to retake the territory, the only future was for the farmers to pay the theocratic monks running a successful patriarchal age old cleptocracy. Now they have a life, and - as a foreign expert I can tell you - I have known many here in the cities - they are happier than before. Sure thee are difficulties, but it is better, much so. 3. "The point is this: MSNBC's world blog now sucks. Now what am I supposed to do while at work??? MSNBC ain't no good no more (Sent Thursday, May 24, 2007 4:50 PM)" Dear Sir or Madame, I have a radical suggestion for you to do while you are at work. Give work a chance. Perhaps then your peace will come!
One more thing. China is innovative as hell, believe it. Their handiwork is everywhere,and it is milennia old. This morning I looked at steles written in 169 A.D. - and even the language was fairly understandable to me, a wei guo ren foreigner. They are quintessentially deliberate, make no misake about it. And Chinese are master craftsmen, so when they get around to invent something - when they wish to - it will be the best in the world. And a lot of the data and manpower is already here, thanks to the brain drain from the west (similar to the WWII refugees fleeing the repression from Germany). So stay tuned, critical mass can't be far behind for some key technology innovations. Also on this thread - as far as I know "Kimchee" is Han Guk / Korean. However, the biggest Kimchee factory in the world is being built now in Heilongjiang China (some kilometres big) - the same China which has the biggest building in the world (Shanghai) and the biggest dam in the world (3 gorges).
My first comment is that cheap knock-offs are everywhere and unavoidable. Check out any Wal-Mart or other discounter. Clothes, shoes, accessories are mostly cheaper versions of current styles. China is the manufacturing center of the world for now, so most knock-offs, like most other products, come from China. It is not a Chinese problem, it's a world-wide situation. It is a natural part of free enterpirse. My second thought is what happens if you stop the Chinese knock-off trade? My answer is NOTHING!!!! The only change will be the name of the country after the words 'Made in...' Blocking Chinese knock-offs will just move the trade to Vietnam, Indonesia, Malaysia, India, etc. The small business in the artice will only see different faces looking at the products, the knock-offs will continue. And Chinese workers will lose their jobs to some other workers.


SEND A COMMENT

PLEASE READ: All comments must be approved before appearing in the thread; time and space constraints prevent all comments from appearing. We will only approve comments that are directly related to the blog, use appropriate language and are not attacking the comments of others.

Message (please, no HTML tags. Web addresses will be hyperlinked):

TRACKBACKS

Trackbacks are links to weblogs that reference this post. Like comments, trackbacks do not appear until approved by us. The trackback URL for this post is: http://worldblog.msnbc.msn.com/trackback.aspx?PostID=202259

Syndicate This Site

Add World Blog to your news reader:
live.com xml
myyahoo msn
bloglines newsgator
google

Interactive

Fight for Iraq
Learn more about the ethnic, religious and political power plays in and around Iraq during a briefing of the region led by NBC’s Richard Engel.