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Copycats threaten U.S. (and Chinese) firms

Posted: Thursday, May 24, 2007 7:33 AM
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By Adrienne Mong, NBC News producer

 

Hong Kong -- You know you’ve hit it big when Chinese companies are trying to counterfeit your product.

 

At least that’s one way Lori Quon* might see it. 

 

Late last year, she and her husband, Danilo - Americans who shuttle between Los Angeles and Hong Kong to run their small family business as well as parent two little girls - launched a new household product that has since taken off, landing in homes around the world.

 

This cleverly simple gizmo -- which organizes shoes -- has been featured in all the right media: TV shows, magazines, and newspapers.  As a result, orders have flooded in from around the world and their product is on back-order.

 

Now they’re anticipating shipping every month at least a container’s worth of goods, which are made in China’s Zhejiang province. 

 

It should be a great boon, but Lori is very attuned to that delicate turning point: when a great product becomes a victim of its own success -- by attracting copycats.

 

“We noticed a few Chinese guys [from business delegations] lingering around our booth at the Chicago trade fair [in March],” she said.  “They were definitely poking their heads around the wall and looking very intently.”

 

China may look innovative, particularly from this Hong Kong vantage point, but observers say it's got a long way to go. (Photo by Adrienne Mong/NBC News)

 

China needs to innovate 

Intellectual property rights (IPR) were supposed to play front and center at the two-day trade talks between the United States and China in Washington, D.C., that wrapped up this week. 

 

No progress on that front, but there could be soon.

 

A veteran China-watcher says that in the long run it’s China that could suffer more from copyright theft -- and Beijing knows it.

 

Intellectual property rights is “a bigger problem for domestic (Chinese) firms,” says Andy Rothman, China Strategist at CLSA, a research and investment outfit in Shanghai. 

 

The country’s economic growth isn’t sustainable just by being “the world’s largest workshop.”  China needs to produce businesses that come up with the kind of “path-breaking innovation” that he says begins with technological breakthroughs.

 

“There isn’t a single innovative Chinese company,” he adds, citing the country’s low rate of patent applications.  At last official count, in 2004, China still only filed 2 per cent of the world’s global patent applications.

 

Battling copycats 

Entrepreneurs like Lori and Danilo are one reason America is still well ahead of China.

 

They’ve patented their product, but their combined experience working in the region has taught them to be cautious.  Their patent covers the United States principally, but for other countries they need to file specific patents for individual countries.

 

But it becomes expensive to file patents.  And until those patents are issued, “somebody could come along and copy it,” Lori says. “We have no recourse until that patent is filed.”

 

Their company could resort to lawsuits, of course, but that’s also costly for a small business.

 

“The whole thing is speed to market, and for people to associate your brand to be the original one, and hopefully it’s better quality,” Lori says.  “That’s why you have to innovate, too.  So when you have the copycats, people can see that you have all the different product variations and be associated as the market leader.”

 

Indeed the couple are rolling out variations of their invention at hyper-speed and hoping to establish a foothold with outlets in the United States, Europe, Israel, and elsewhere.

 

With the American press discussing the high stakes for big American companies like Microsoft and Disney, it’s worth wondering whether negotiations like this week’s result in any substantive legal protection for small businesses like that of Lori and Danilo.

 

“When you’re running your own business, you just have to focus on your own business,” says Lori.  “You’re worrying about making your product, getting it to your customer, and making sure it’s good quality.”

 

*P.S.: Lori Quon is a friend of mine, but her story seemed perfect for illustrating the issues facing manufacturers in both China and the West.

 

Editor's note: NBC's Marisa Buchanan is with Adrienne on this trip to Beijing and wrote about the trade imbalace between China and the U.S. in The Daily Nightly.

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Wait a second. These people did NOT patent their product in China and yet they seem to want protection in China and you seem to go along with that? Under what rules? Under what law? I hate to burst your bubble, but giving people protection who do not register their IP in China is not on the negotiating table now, nor will it be.
China isn't an innovator. They make money stealing intellecual property. Sadly, this enriches the folks who are granted permission to run these factories, who not-so-coincidentally are also friends or relatives of Communist Party members. Anyone who has done business over there (as I have) know this to be true. China will only reform its economy when it has enough intellectual property of its own to protect. You Westerners have to understand, the Party has a vested interest in keeping the status quo. Not only does it strengthen China at the expense of the US and Europe, it also fills the pockets of the Party members in the form of ongoing bribes and gifts.
Sadly, the business of copying what another company invented (or innovated) is unethical an many levels...even across borders. Such examples can be found in China's auto industry, where government-controlled factories have made deals with US & European car makers to assemble vehicles. These Chinese assemblers then make "other" deals to make "knockoffs" of the products their foreign partners have spent billions to develop. That's Ethics 101 down-the-drain and it continues to erode corporate trust that could benefit US and Chinese economies handsomely.
Article is simply conveying the idea that lack of ip protection hurts everyone even the Chinese.
China Law Blog - correct - if they do not have a Chinese patent then manufacture and sale of the product inside China does not infringe upon the U.S. patent. However, the U.S. patent statute includes "importation" as infringement. Therefore, while there is no legal violation for the goods to be manufactured in China, there is infringement when the product is imported into the U.S. Obviously, the U.S. imports a substantial number of Chinese-manufactured products so this is a common problem. In our experience, Chinese manufacturers are honorable. They do not knowingly commit infringement. The typically M.O. is that a U.S. based distributor requests the Chinese manufacturer to make a certain item (i.e., the knock-off). The Chinese manufacturer has no idea that the importation of this product to the U.S. (or anywhere else with patent protection) constitutes infringement. Thus, the infringement is committed by the importer, not the Chinese manufacturer.
Let's see, the Chinese invented the compass, the paper, the printing press (including the movable press), the gunpowder, the spaghetti, and tons of other things, and either GAVE THEM AWAY or got THEM STOLEN to the West and in the 18th century helped the West launch the industrial revolution. Hmm.
The first comment misses, I believe, the critical point. The issue for most U.S. businesses is NOT sales lost to counterfitting/copycatting in the Chinese market (exception exist, e.g., Microsoft, Starbucks). Rather it is the sale of counterfit/copycat goods manufactured in China and then sold in the U.S. A U.S. patent provides legal protection against the IMPORT of goods that violate that patent, regardless of where they are manufactured, making the lack of a Chinese patent irrelevant. While enforcement is the responsibility of the U.S. Government (Customs) and the firm with the IP (via the courts), it is a reasonable argument that China, which wants the benefits of belonging to the world's open trading system, has a responsbility to act against the massive IP violation that takes place inside its borders. The current attitude ranges from malign neglect, to implicit encouragement to actual involvement of state-owned firms. That is the problem.
This blog highlights the lack of innovation in China. The people there don’t have the brain power to come up with their own inventions thus they succumb to stealing like petty burglars and they laugh about it all the way to the bank.
We created China. We want cheap goods and this is how they are made cheap. We all complain about it but we all embrace it at the same time. Who does not love going bargain hunting every weekend? go to any store and you see rich and poor handing coupons at the cash registers.
I love it!!! When are we stupid Americans going to wake up and smell the coffee? Big business has sold us down the river and they don't care about the average American. Their pockets are stuffed and they look good and that is all that matters. Just look at anything you buy and see where it was made and how poor the workmanship is. Isn't this going to leave a wonderful life for our children and grandchildren? They will probably wake up with the Chinese flag flying one day and won't that be a great life for them?
It is an inalienable and sovereign right of the United States not to let products from China into their ports! If no Chinese products enter in, no counterfeits and copycats will enter in. Moreover, the only products "tainted" with Chinese parts will be coming from other countries ... until we identify them and quarantine them also! If we need something from the Chinese, or if the Chinese want something from us, we and they will find some alternative ways outside of the free market, to get it! But the sole fact that thousands of Chinese containers will be turned away each month will guarantee hundreds of thousands of new jobs for Americans practically overnight! This emergency corrective measure needs not to be permanent, but it is clearly a historical necessity at the present time! Too many of us have been made to believe that we are stuck with the laws of the free market, when in fact we do not! No wonder that, in recent press, the Chinese, over again, keep telling us, "it's your problem, not ours; you are stuck with your unproductivity"! But I am telling you, if we are stuck with anything, it is with our Constitution which grants us the sovereign right to say no, when we think that we must say no at certain historical times!
China is a competitor. They are polite to us when it suits their purposes, but would happily drive the US into poverty if that would get them further. There is a strange mentality in the West – we are concerned for the world and the future of mankind. In China, they are concerned with Chinese first, allies of the moment next and no one else. Some people take this as mean behavior, or being “two faced” - It's neither; they are simply being Chinese. When you cease to be useful, they are done with you. As for intellectual property rights, some people think they will protect them when the Chinese actually develop some intellectual property of their own. This is half right. They will defend their IP with fierce determination, and continue to turn a blind eye to violations of other peoples IP. Consider how fiercely the Chinese defended silk. This is not new, it's just the way they do business. China first, all else third.
Larry, I don't think weneed to worry half as much about the "Communist Party" as we do the thieves and liars right here at home who get ever richer through their alliances with companies that make mega- billions by moving their companies to other countries to escape paying their fair share of taxes. Trust me, the next big war is going to be a civil war right here in the good ol' U. S. of A. because the average person is being pushed beyond their limit.
Part of the reason people resent the USA is that we force our laws on other nations. China has nukes and we need them, so the US doesn't strong-arm the chinese. The US will strong-arm Europe...pressuring the EU to accept monopolistic practices by Microsoft. It's sad. Our beligerant and aggressive foreign policy is a big tool for terrorist recruiters. What ever happened to walk softly and carry a big stick?
My wimpy fellow Americans, are you afraid to compete? Why all the slander against the Chinese? Does it make you feel good to tell yourself that you are better than them because they "do not create"? Give me a break! Competition makes the world go around and improves us all. If they can do something cheaper than we can, then let them!
China Law Blog: Give me a break. China is a member of the WTO. The WTO was established to protect IP. If China wants to be on the world stage, they should act like it. Then again, China doesn't give many rights and freedoms to its people either, let alone other's IP.
Did the Japanese copycat the American-invented car? Now they kick our a** in every respect with regard to innovation, efficiency and safety. Let the Chinese copy and reproduce whatever they want. Our own manufacturing has been ruined my the unions!
China is our ally and our best trading partner, after Canada. They can do things way more efficiently that we can. Their economy is booming. Are you scardie-cats afraid of globalization or what?
The ethical status-quo of China appears to be a strong belief that there is no shame in cheating; only in getting caught. Chinese businesses and entrepreneurs will ultimately discover they too can be victimized by copycats. When that happens, I hope they'll be able to hear my laughter over their loud, collective screams of righteous indignation.
The "average american" is lazy. Why not hire Mexicans to do our lawn work and the Chinese to make our stuff? There's nothing wrong with that.
Hello?! The CHINESE invented: chopsticks, gunpowder, fireworks and pioneered the use of oil and natural gas for energy. You people are idiots. 1.4 billion Chinese can't be wrong. In the meantime, ask yourself if you are racist against the Chinese for some reason.
Ironically enough, I have heard just as many stories here about foreign companies stealing the IP of other foreign companies. China Law Blog makes an excellent point about the legal side of IP, and how the couple above really don't have a leg to stand on without a patent application in China In my mind, anyone with a product that they feel is innovative, they should patent in China. Regardless of whether or not they plan to manufacture or sell in China. Setting up patents around the world is expensive, but setting up U.S. and China is an investment in the future of your company. Some of the steps that executives should take are: 1) Learn more about patents and patent laws in China (your U.S. patent does not apply). There is a lot of information on the web that is free, unbiased, and can offer valuable advice on why you need to worry about copyright, patent, or trademark infringement. 2) Identify and speak with law firms, security consultants, and other manufacturers who are well versed in Chinese patent law 3) Develop a proactive strategy for protecting your patents: a - Visit the Canton Fair or other trade shows in China to see whow your competitors are, and what they are selling b - Search for competitors and competitive products online using Global Sources and Alibaba c - conduct competitive intelligence research using market research firms and other consultants 4) Implement and follow through on that strategy! 5) Revisit, Review, and Revise your strategy as event and time dictate. Quite often we can take for granted the work that has gone into building a product, the relationships necessary to sell it, and the infrastructure necessary to ensure after sales service. Years, if not decades, can go into the development of a product, by becoming complacent and thinking “it won’t happen to me”, manufacturers are inviting the fox into the den. Taking proactive steps to protect one’s assets in the global economy is essential for the successful ongoing concerns of operations for companies of all size, not matter where they are based, and no matter where their products are sold. Understanding the risks, and then INVESTING in a system is the best way to protect innovation, not blaming China and writing your senator.
All I know is that I visited China in 2002 and Hong Kong and Beijing beat any American city I've been to and I've traveled and lived all over the United States. God Bless America!
oh my god! has it come to this? what a blatant racist article! the industrious chinese economy and work ethic is going to take over the world while all you fat lazy americans sit on your butts watching t.v. and complaining about the loss of "american" jobs to asia. cry-babies. americans have gotten soft.
We see the enemy and he is us. We are the Chinese. By that I mean, some of our own business comminity is raping the U.S. by not only selling our intellectual properties, but reaking huge profits by having products made overseas. We are consuming ourselvs and are pretty much impotent to stop it.
Humans have been "copying" humans since the beginning of time. What a stupid article.
What I still have a problem understanding is why are we building up China (which is communist)by sending all of our technical data for manufacturing (which they will use against us eventually) just so maybe a select few can have a competitive edge in the world market at the expensive of all of us, with the blessing of our goverment who we elect. Amazing isn't it.
To The China Law Blog--Your fatuous ignorance of proprietary rights and inherent ownership of your own creations, as well as the patents held in other countries is what will hold your country on the verge of greatness forever. You continue to thumb your nose at other peoples IPR in the face of their protected rights in other countries. Until you realize that when someone patents an idea, or copyrights their music or words, that those patents and copyrights are universal in nature you will doom yourself to following the herd and picking from the scraps, rather than leading yourself. You are the definition of ignorant.
I agree with the poster who said the U.S. created China. Big business has relocated factories and call centers to other parts of the world to save a buck. This has put a lot Americans out of work and fueled the illegal immigration problem because they are cheap labor. Now companies are complaining about piracy when they handed them the majority of the technoligy by having their products made in China. The cheap goods that come from China are just that- cheap. Yes, you save money in the short run but when the items full apart, you are not saving money in the long run. China is also a leader in human rights violations, environment violations and poaching endangered animals for their own selfish needs.
It is pretty damn lame when the media and the american business community degrade to the point where they are complaining about the lack of ingenuity demonstrated by the Chinese. Talk about meaningless rhetoric and reporting! This is the stupidest blog ever.
I dont buy anything that comes from china even if the next the same product from finland is 10$ more or a 100$ more atleast i know im getting quality. If i have learned anything its that chinese are cutthroat.
I'm goin to check out China's two percent of the patents and start my own copycat company. The US should open up our markets to these few untill China finds their own two feet to stand on.
We have an industrial process that is very hard to duplicate, I sat in a meeting with a customer in China, they openly said they would only buy one or two machines from us, and would make copies after that. We ran from the market as fast as we could. You have to go international as a small business; however you need to go with people that have some integrity. The Chinese have none. !!!, when challenged with this they all say the same thing “this is the Chinese way” this is just an excuse for stealing.
This article is old news with no solutions. Blah, blah, blah.
Americans blame the Chinese for poor quality and workmanship, but it's not their fault. It's the fault of the U.S. companies wanting to eke out as much profit as possible. I work in the furniture industry. How the product is made in China is a direct result of the U.S. manufacturers not only going to them because they are cheaper, but lessening the quality standards by which the product is made so they have an even larger profit margin. I've seen furniture made by the Chinese for a company that wanted cheaper labor, but still wanted a quality product. The Chinese produced that quality furniture and the company still saved money. We sell that company's furniture as a high end line because of the quality. Yet, most manufacturer's lower their own quality standards when they engage the Chinese and get exactly what they asked for. In other words, the old adage that consumers get what they pay for also applies to U.S. companies when they contract Chinese labor.
I believe everyone here has a valid point, but its all about karma. Like Kimchee said, Western countries, at least 8 countries went into China and basically stole and demolished everything in sight. They did not care about China or the Chinese people at the time, when it benefitted them. So now the Chinese are just learning from their past mistakes and doing what was done to them by the westerners. People tend to complain and complain when things don't go in their favor. But they all keep quiet when things go their way. The sayings, "What goes around comes around" and "Do onto others what you would like them do onto you" definitely holds true. Whether you believe karma or not, it still exists.
Its sad to see that we Americans have evolved into a selfish and shameless group of people who blame everyone else in the world for our own problems. American shit just don't stink. The fact of the matter is: 1) containers of chinese goods are shipped into the US because American merchants ordered and paid for them for the sole purpose of profiteering in the American market. The Chinese did not force us to buy ! 2) It is the American merchants who ask, if not outright demand, the Chinese manufacturers to copy and infringe upon or violate competitve design ownership rights A)by shipping to China large amounts of actual samples of other company's products, B) by providing pictures, specs and tech details of competitive products and C)by asking Chinese manufacturers with expertise in certain areas, developed from manufacturing contracts for competitors, to transfer and apply the specific knowledge and knowhow to "copycat" products to be sold around the world. 3) China will not be "right" by the Americans unless China truely becomes an American colony whereby US has absolutely total control in every way over the Chinese. This pipe dream is vocalized in terms of human rights, democracy, freedom, etc... We Americans love this mindless rhetoric to vent our perverse aggression and schizophrenia. But to the rest of the world, its rapidly being and to a large extent deserves to be dismissed as another disgusting and irresponsible fit of American verbal diarrhea. To our perverse taste, Americans love this shit and it smells good. This is how low American culture and ethics has sunken. Americans are always right and perfect. Everyone else is no good or flawed in one way or another as to not measure up to our self-politicised standards. We foolishly believe that we can spin, manipulate, and politicize any situation to our advantage. This has evolved precisely from the great American heritage of being an obscenely litigious society. For these simple reasons alone, we are going to be always at odds with China. No cooperative action from China will ever be good enough and the Chinese know it well. For now at least and to their credit, the Chinese are just humoring us. Let the Americans dig their own grave and we are doing a good job at it, especially during the last 10 years.
Americans claiming that Chinese are unethical because they copy 'protected' designs are hilarious. Does the Chinese government allow blatant lies to be used to advertise products as is done in the USA? I know England has much stiffer penalties and mechanisms for keeping people from lying in advertising. USA! Bad to use another's design, just dandy to lie to consumers! USA!
i've read all the comments, and i agree and disagree with some of them. i am a westerner(not willing to give my nationality as this is china and we can be deported for the things we say) and i have been living here in china for more than 4 years. i have a chinese wife and a 4year old son, as in most countries i need a visa to live and work here, but as in china it's a little different, i had to pay many bribes to get a visa for myself and my son even though my wife is a chinese national, i have seen first hand how westerners are treated here, the chinese make us feel really welcome, but in reality behind our backs they are sticking the knife in as far as they can. as reagrds copyright law, i have yet to see any evidence of that here, i have had a few of my idea's stolen by so called government friends, the only successful business's here are govenment employee owned, if you don't have government family then you can't do any business, the foreigners that are here have to pay for everything, we have to pay bribes just to live here with our families and we have to pay more than the chinese just to do business here.my advice to anyone thinking of coming here-change your mind and stay where you are, believe me, the society here is 50-60 years behind the rest of the civilised world in every way.on recent visits to hospitals with my son when he is sick they have tried to give us 'western' medicine, only to find that its no more that water and an idea 'ripped off' from the civilised world. the country in general has only one copyright law, that is the law that they are passing now, all business's have been told to only sell 'real' products during the time of the oylmpics next year, the gov here don't really want you to know to want extend they actyally copy here, even in 'Nike' 'SONY( THEY LOVE TO RIP OFF JAPANESE PRODUCTS), and other brand name shops, most of the products they sell are 'rip off's' made in china.
Welcome to GLOBALIZATION. And there's only going to be more of this. There is nothing we can do to stop it, so save your breath. Don't fight change, embrace it.
as soon as i hear about copyright laws, i know there are stinky attorneys involved. go home, stinky attorneys.
why don't we outsource the US gov CIA FBI NSA, etc. the chinese would be great at bureaucracy
Wasn't Kruschev that first mentioned something about a certain rope that this system of ours is slowly making?
"Once again" we are dealing with the monster we as "westerners" have created. Europeans and Americans alike (American continent) for decades now we have known how cheap things can be produce in China, it's just in the last 20 years that we in the states have fully exploited the economics of it, and have exploited it!! The problem is not China; they are simply taking advantage exponentially as to what a "free enterprise economy" can build, and that is a superpower. Bottom line as difficult as the facts are, we are subsidizing their military and everything else that is not right in China. We also have to consider the good, the benefits for the few, and the down side of the majority. Perhaps all we are allowing China to do, will help place the rest of the law abiding world community in a position of leverage. We can only hope.
Leon from Fayettville NC And the "ethical status" of the USA is, "It is NOT OK to steal, unless it is OIL, and we the USA do the stealing". Airborne All the Way. :-)
This is nothing new. The japanese were making low quality goods and selling them cheap during the 1950's. I read a story years ago that one town in Japan renamed itself Usa so they could print "Made in Usa" in their stuff. Taiwan was in the same position 30 years ago. Every U.S. sailor I knew who made a liberty stop in Kaohsiung would load up on cassettes. They were sold cheap because no royalties had been paid. I bought a few myself and found out that in addition, the recording quality was poor and the cassettes themselves were the cheapest quality. Even at the low prices, they weren't worth it. Face it, ever since this globalization thing started, which has been made possible mainly by the internet and containerized shipping, manufacturing has been chasing around the world looking for the lowest wages. Consider the textile industry. It started off in New England and then moved to the south when the workers started demanding higher wages. Starting in the '70s, companies started relocating plants in Mexico. When the Mexican wages started rising, they packed up and move to China and India. Now I read that some companies are starting to move their plants to Vietnam. It makes me wonder where it will all end up. There have been far too many business executives who have been more concerned about "the bottom line" and their own bonuses and perks than they have about quality products and their company's reputations. It may be nice to be able to buy an item at 75% of the price of the same american made item. But when it's useful lifespan is half that of the american product, then it's not such a good deal.
Bill, just ask your average law abiding patriotic capitalist texas-born american IF he is concerned with the world community. For him there's but one law, and that's called the BIG STICK.
Detroit Automaker. Those slobs who work in Detroit ruined the American Auto Industry not the unions. And ther AMERICAN PUBLIC AGREES, they buy Japanese. America was "good" wittout competition, but when it arrived, it ended the mighty Detroit Junk-maker for good. Thank you Japan !!! We now can rely on our cars, as long as it is NOT MADE IN DETROIT.
What is the new shoe organizer called? I'd like to buy one. Adrienne Mong could have at least given us a link to her friend Lori Quon's website. No product name. No company name. Nothing!
The reason innovation in China is lagging behind the west has to do directly with Mao's Cultural Revolution killing or imprisoning most of the nation educated people, being educated was almost "THE" reason for being hauled off. When you kill 30+million people mostly, the educated you cause your own backwards turn in technology & intellect. Communism doesn't reward individual achievement.


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