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Who's winning (in Afghanistan)?

Posted: Sunday, May 20, 2007 9:42 PM
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 No matter how many times I’ve visited the country, or been embedded with U.S. forces, or covered the lives of ordinary Afghans caught up in the almost 6-year-old war, I still cringe when asked – and I’m ALWAYS asked when I get back – ‘How’s things in Afghanistan?’’ Invariably I pause for a few seconds, hoping to find the magic answer as I collect my thoughts. But there is no silver bullet: ‘’Good,’’ I venture. ‘’And bad.’’

In fact, if you were to list – as I often do after each trip – both the encouraging and disturbing developments in Afghanistan, or what is better now than, say, a year ago, I suspect your columns would be pretty much like mine: equal. And that holds true on ANY scale. Take Kabul, for instance. On the plus side, business is booming. 5-star hotels, shopping malls, modern glassy trade centers, electronics stores and expensive foreign cars jam the streets. Also, former enemies now seem to be working together. At a recent reception for the Ahmad Shah Masood Foundation, held at the relatively luxurious Serena Hotel in central Kabul, the ‘beautiful’ people I saw tended to be former Mujihadeen generals and wily warlords. Those nice, smiling men sipping their black tea and chatting now were killing each other’s militias 10 years ago.

But, say critics, Kabul’s success is built on nothing but funny money: either from the billions of dollars in humanitarian assistance that never spread beyond the capital, or from war booty and drug money. And while there may be bubbles of peace here and there, overall, Kabul is too unsafe today for a foreign reporter to walk its streets without the kind of protection he would take into the streets of Baghdad. What about Afghanistan’s progressive president, former Baltimore restaurateur Hamid Karzai? We, in the West, tend to see him as a bastion of moderation, a leader who understands the value of bringing democracy to a nation that still lingers in a previous millennium. But many Afghans see Karzai as the failed leader of a failed state, rampant with corruption.


‘’This government and all of those in it are thinking only of themselves, ‘’ says one outspoken critic, Dr. Wadi Safi of Kabul University. ‘’They don’t know the nation, and they don’t think they are accountable to the people because nobody punishes them.’’

Now zoom out and take in the bigger picture…those U.S. forces – some 10,000 - that operate in the Eastern part of the country, along the border with Pakistan. They say that, by any measure of success, they are winning the war there. What WAS the Taliban’s backyard is now theirs. Local economies are thriving as U.S. commanders fund important infrastructure and health projects – a new road, a bridge, a school - that improve lives in areas where Americans dared not tread just a year ago. Local tips on insurgent activity and local cooperation are up; enemy attacks are down. It’s a counter-insurgency model that U.S. Centcom Commander Admiral William Fallon is keen to use elsewhere. He choppered into Kunar province during our embed to personally grasp that model and spoke to me of its merits in a rich green valley that, only months before, had been a hot zone for Taliban attacks.


‘’Frankly, we were focused on other places, like Iraq, but now we’re back in it,’’ he said. ‘’I see Afghans who welcome us and want to work with us, and I think this is exactly what we want to do.’’ And, in the southern provinces, after a 4-year power vacuum,  a 35,000-strong NATO force is now fighting ITS war against the Taliban. And it’s made huge gains since the spring, decimating whole companies of militants who dare go toe-to-toe with the U.S.-led troops. Just days before our embed ended, there was news that the Taliban’s most dreaded – and efficient – commander, Mullah Dadullah, had been killed in an intelligence-driven attack by U.S. and Afghan forces in the volatile Helmand province.

But all of this GOOD military news has a political flip side. U.S. forces may be winning the war, but not necessarily the people needed to sustain that battle. In many Afghan provinces, locals tend to mistrust their own government representatives even more than U.S. forces.  But that equation is getting WORSE: as U.S. and NATO forces step up their attacks – including devastating air strikes – against Taliban fighters, hundreds of civilians have been killed in the crossfire as well. Now Afghans are DOUBLY angry: they see President Karzai as both ineffective AND too pro-U.S.


‘’Certainly militarily we are winning the war, ‘’ says Afghanistan expert Dr Barnett Rubin. ‘’The question is whether we are building a political base, and that is very much in question…because the Afghan government is increasingly unpopular.’’

So, how IS it going in Afghanistan? Are we winning or losing the war? Or the peace?  I see no pat answer. No 10-second sound bite. We are winning some hearts, but losing other minds. We are bringing a sense of peace to parts of the country where we have soldiers at least, but the Taliban is still intimidating whole towns, elsewhere, with death threats posted on residential doors at night, with school burnings, ambushes and roadside bombs. We have defeated Taliban and al-Qaida militants in dozens upon dozens of battles this year, but their suicide bombers keep on coming – and exploding – from inside the Pakistan border, where they are trained and equipped.

Some have called this ‘reaching a tipping point’. Perhaps that’s the best answer: Afghanistan IS balanced between good and bad, war and peace, winning and losing. Some days, in some ways, look very positive indeed. But winning in Afghanistan still appears no better than a 50-50 bet. It could go either way. There are still too many reasons why Afghans could see a low-burn guerilla war that kills thousands of civilians – as well as several hundred American and allied soldiers - every year…for years to come.


Jim Maceda is an NBC News correspondent is based in London who has just returned from an extended assignment in Afghanistan.

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Hi Sir, I am Afghan. I grew up in war, educated in war, but don't like to be killed in such a war. There are two kind of wars in our homeland: One is war of the battle fields, and the other is a global one done through electronic systems. Nobody can see how different factions are fighting through this way. Let's to say that KGB is more active than before. Iran is not bad, really working deplomatically... I am thinking that the war in my land will last for decades and nobdoy will win very soon. ... sorry for my English.
Ben Franklin: "There is no good war, nor a bad peace" Sounds about right.
I think someone who wants to present a balanced view of the situation in Afghanistan should first of all have clear benchmarks for judgement. There is a document called the 'Afghanistan Compact' from 2006, which has a part titled 'Benchmarks and Timelines'. There are for you the consensual goals of the 'international community' (whatever the latter means in its policy-wise disintegrated form of actual existence) in Afghanistan in that part. One has to look at each of the long list of objectives included in that document and come up with a more detailed picture than an overall 50/50. To highlight some of the most important things in there: by the end of 2010 security and stability should be 'promoted' (literal quote) in all provinces. There is some confusion though beyond the one caused by the wording, too, because elsewhere the document says that all illegal armed groups in all provinces should be disarmed by the end of 2007. But I don't want to present this document as useless by pointing out this contradiction, even if it's an important one. It does provide a comprehensive overview of dimensions in which success/failure could be measured, and so the media should use it I think.
This is one of the more "fair and balanced" reports I have read in a long time. As a former senior commander of a reconstruction and training force in Afghanistan I have a real understanding of what is going on there. Progress is being made but the enemy is not ready to quit yet and unfortunatelyh will not be for some time yet. Key pieces are the establishment of a "service mentality" in the government officials who must be held accountable for bad behavior as well as ineffective administration AND the willingness of the Afghan people to assist ISAF and the Afghan government to root out the bad guys.
We are on the right track here, I have been here for 3 years now and we are making a difference and do not let anyone tell you otherwise. The ecconomy is booming, commerece is way up and the sercurity is not that bad, elements still come in from across the border in Pakistan but overall things are way better than under the Taliban.
I reckon that as far as Afghanistan is concerned, the present administration should have learned the lessons of history. The Soviets were broken in Afghanistan. They had the hardware and the manpower and they failed miserably without having to contend with things like human rights. I think the West is losing the battle and it is a shame that our leaders are not able to recognize the facts on the ground. Something similar is happening in Iraq and they also fail to recognize the facts. The problem is that once the West intervened both in Afghanistan and Iraq, those who advocate the case of a withdrawal must also recognize that such a withdrawal will be nothing short of a disaster that will encourage those who wish to harm us at home. We have destroyed any kind of stability. If we get out, the terrorists would have won the war and would have the resources to carry out a thousand attacks like the one perpetrated on 11th of September 2001.
Are we to believe the Afghans were better off under the Taliban? Is that the point of this? I have to agree it reads more like "we are losing in Afghanistan" too. What I really love is Mr. McKinley's rant against the operations in Afghanistan. If he thinks the Taliban are so wonderful, then he should just pack up and live with them the way they dictate and then take whatever punishment they desire to inflict when he decides to speak out against them. Nothing like the far left rants to be sure. I would ask oneself, what is better, having a string of hardline fundamentalist Muslim nations that support and facilitate terrorism or trying to teach these people about freedom? I will remind people that sports, television, radio, dancing, music, education for girls, etc, were all banned under the Taliban. Yes, Mr. McKinley, the Taliban are just wonderful guys. That's what's missing in the opinion, perspective. Life under the Taliban was not good for anyone but the Taliban in powerful positions. Yet, we are supposed to now believe it isn't any better. The media bias against any successes of the US is truly amazing. Nothing but doom and gloom and if that doesn't work ratchet up the doom and gloom.
Right you are P.Haag! There appears to be a lack of understanding by the media that their views are as important in ending violence as actual bullets and bombs. The pen IS mightier than the sword. Simply stating tha version of "truth" can either help end a conflict in a favorable fashion or negate all the sacrifice by giving the false hope to the opposition that holding out is an option. This world can not tolerate opium addicts, violent dictators or religious extremists. These "wars" are rationally waged and intended to purge these destructive means of survival from earth not to generate humanitarian issues for the media to cash in on. It IS time for the PENs to get with the program and support the end of these ideologies by printing the real truth, there is no room for violent ideologies even if they claim a right to exist through humanitarian sufferage.
Jimmy Carter has wisdom beyond words. I stand with him and applaud him for being brave enough to just tell the truth. Sometimes we have to tell it like it is and let the chips fall where they may. I think he did just that and now he has to be strong enough to stand up to the pressure and not try to defend what he said to every TOM, DICK and HARRY. My comment would be, "If you didn't understand what I meant then I will try to explain it to you," otherwise, I would say, "I said it, I stand by it and I am not discussing it anymore." After all this is a former President who has done more for this country than any President. This is a righteous man which goes without saying. How many people do know who would be willing to do what he has done and continues to do? With poor people, and I have been but not anymore, he has put his time and effort where his mouth is and what I mean by that is, he is not about lip service, he is walking the walk. I could go on and on about this great man who should go down in history as one of the greatest humanitarians of all times. Needless to say, I love Jimmy Carter whose hometown of Plains, GA is only 17 miles from my hometown, Ellaville, GA.
I tell you whats funny, right after 9/11 we are all sitting back and wanting to know who, why and where are they? We found out who it was, and responded. Now for the years past, all I hear is we need to get out of Afghanistan. We meet resistance and the going gets alittle tuff and now all of a sudden its "Oh this is an actual job, neverm,ind lets go". If we had that attitude in World War II, we would either not exist, or we would be Nazis. No, we need to finish our mission in Iraq and then leave and continue our work in Afghanistan. None of you guys hear of the actual things going down in Afghanistan or Iraq. My brother is in Iraq. The news people lie about his situation. When my brother hands out supplies to Iraqis and is attacked by insurgents, he returns fire. But what does the news say that my brother has done...oh yeah they report that he had blindly return fire and kills civilians. Funny thing is those so called civilians were carrying AK-47s. And in Afghanistan. The Taliban are being killed everyday, not civilians, the Taliban. A non-uniformed fighter. Most of the Taliban are for other Middle Eastern countries. The Taliban killed all of the real freedom fighters in their first and second civil wars in the early 90s. Love America or leave it. All I know is that I am for every single American soldier. I think of all the families involved not just my own. If you really support the troops you would be helping us to win. Its not to far away. We just have to be the Americans of ole. Strong and persistant. And in the mean time, get Bush out of the White House.
The War on Terror is merely a replacement for the Cold War. A 20+ year conflict with no defined end will do wonders for the oil industry as well as the war industries. It will keep prices up at the $70/barrel mark. This allows petroleum producers to profit from fields that would have never been profitable when oil was down to pre 9/11 prices. War is profit, Peace is Hell!
I've just finished reading the book 'The Kite Runner'. If what described by the author was true or next to it, I reckon we know nothing of who's winning. The Aghans are losing themselves since 70s'. What they really want is not victory from anyone or to anybody, but merely to WIN back the old good days of their nation.
You can't speak for all 10,000+ soldiers over in Afghanistan fighting for YOUR FREEDOM!!!! In my eyes, you have put down your own people by stating that their efforts and their lives are not helping. I hope none of these men and women read your article. Although some of it may be true, you have put down the morale and the dignity of those men and women fighting for you butt!!! Stay out of there if you don't agree with it and don't think what they are doing is helping! My husband is over there fighting for people like you who wouldn't send your own son or daughter into war just have others do it for you!
Very good observations Jim. I agree totally with your perspective.
an interesting article but please dont blame pakistan for all your ill deeds.pakistan too has got a big problem with the suicide bombers who are not humans as no religion teach us to kill.we all can live in peace and that is through peaceful diologue.
"And while there may be bubbles of peace here and there, overall, Kabul is too unsafe today for a foreign reporter to walk its streets without the kind of protection he would take into the streets of Baghdad." That's a bit of stretch, I've lived here for almost 2 years and have never been bothered on the streets, pick pocketed or worried for my safety. I feel safer in Kabul than I do in certain parts of the UK and North America.
It is a cold hard reality that our exit strategy for Afghanistan and the Middle East is: “We don’t exit” Either we fight them on their soil, or they will come to us as they did on 9-11. Their leaders are not common sense people who we can reason with. They are international gang bangers who live for the fame of the moment. Just like our teenage gang bangers who fully expect to die or end up in prison, these international players are essentially the same. The west is rich and powerful. By attacking the west they can achieve their 15 minuets of fame. The terrorist attacks on the West are not over. We will have additional attacks in the US and the West. However, if we allow them to reorganize, the terrorist attacks on the West will not only increase but will also become more effective.
We will win eventually, problem is winning will cost a few far more than the victory is worth. But it will not be the first (or last) victory we achieve in the middle-east that has this downside (nor is it even the first such victory for the past 50 yrs). The upside is a few others will be happy regardless of the cost since they always make sure someone else pays the price.
In all the news reports I have followed regarding the Iraq war, I have never seen any which address the issue of where the "real terrorists" - those who would choose to destroy US citizens in our own homeland - actually reside. Our administration has painted a picture that the war in Iraq is against those who would do just that. However, I sense that this is a Shiite-Sunni civil war, and that that the powers-that-be controlling the conflict are nowhere to be found - as least, not in Iraq. And I suspect that they are controlling the battle from afar, in Pakistan and Afghanistan, and have their underlings paying a dear price for doing their dirty work. This article casts a little light on the subject, but never really addresses the relationship between the powers residing in Afghanistan and the front-line troops in Iraq. Just once I would like to see some information about the "real terrorists," so that we can make informed decisions about the US role in that region.
How can you call anyone a winner when it comes to war? I understand that there will always be wars to fight- but who can be called a winner when the cost is a loss of human life for both sides? I support our soldiers and their families completely. I do feel that the war in Afghanistan/Iraq needs to be brought to a conclusion. I don't believe in sacrificing lives for political agendas when there doesn't seem to be any evidence of improvement. My thoughts and prayers go out to all the men and women serving our country and their families at home hoping for their safe return.
Thanks for the report. Wish it were more positive but reality sometimes can't be that way.
I was for the Afgan incursion from the beginning after 9/11. However, I thought the Iraq invasion would be a major mistake from as early as Sseptember of 2002 when they (the neocons) started to beat the war drums. I think we have a chance to stabilize Afganistan, but don't see that for Iraq. Morally, we can't pull out and let the Sunis and Shieites slaughter each other. It is war without end; this is what has me so depressed.
I wish I could believe anything from american media, the same media that is afraid to tell the truth about the worst administration in U.S. history. This administration loves to play with semantics hoping that with the change of meaning they can change reality. How many times can they lie and still keep and straight face and credibility. With this reporter's explanation we can assume that Iraq is in the same situation. If McCain can take stroll throught a market, then everybody else could do the same. McCain did not say there were 5 helicopters, hundredes of troops, several hummvees, etc. He was a walking fort and he had the gall to say he and Petraus took a stroll in the "Park". The same happen in Afghanistan. This reporter and american media see the glass half full and try to sell the good with the less bad. The military, also, have no credibility. One general said that they had killed, at one time, 400 insurgents, when rebutted he went down to maybe 300, or was it 200 hundred. It got to be like Mawell Smart from Get Smart TV series. But when they killed entire families, including women, children and senior citizens, they try to keep quiet. The first thing that NATO is going to claim following Bush's scripted answers: They were all terrorists". This administration has zero, nil, nada credibility and so does american media, the darling of the Bush administration.
Maybe the media is seeing this war through rose colored glasses. How about embedding some of these reporters with Taliban units for a few days. Then we could get a truly balanced report.
The great "spring offensive" of the Taleban seems not to have succeeded or at least to have been delayed. The media predicted that Afghanistan would fall back into their hands because the Bush administration was wrongly focused on Iraq. Why not a column on how badly the media misjudged things or how well the military (ISAF) countered the Taleban? Spring "ain't over yet," but the military forces have done far better than the British in the 19th cent. or the Russians in the 20th. Tell us why things are working as well as they are.
I went to my native country after 27 years and although I was expecting to see enormous destruction and devastation after so many years of invasion and war, I was also hoping to see progress and a better future. Unfortunately I was discouraged by the slow progress and unfortunately I did not see a very bright future either. I went to see my people, not politicians. I traveled to different parts of my country, met different groups and talked to the local ordinary people. I saw with my own eyes how resistance is formed. When a father does not have a job, cannot provide for his family and the future is somber, well the result is that you add one more to the list of the Taliban, the only organized group to resist the coalition involvement. In Afghanistan people judge the Americans thought the actions of the Afghan government that is totally corrupted. I went to different government offices and witnessed by myself the briberies and mistreatments of the people. Without a bribe nothing can get accomplished and how can someone who’s family is near starvation bribe to get an ordinary document like an ID card done? Also there is a lack of communication between the coalition and the people of Afghanistan. This results in misunderstanding, misjudgment, mistrust and lack of cooperation. Generally people still have a positive sense for the American involvement, but this feeling changes every day when mistakes are made both by the Afghan government and the coalition forces. I strongly believe that a better communication with the local population is the key to success. If that communication is through a trustful Afghan government so be it, otherwise the US should get in direct contact with local groups and work toward a better future for each region. There are ways to engage the locals to take responsibility for there own regions, from creating a better environment for the population to the security of their own surroundings.
6 yrs in Afghanistan ,a smaller country than Iraq,with aRestaurateur ?in command from Baltimore Maryland ,Give me a break :Remember all the"american iraqis" who lied about everything in Iraq ,Chalabi;How can the us (american government expect to win )they can't even clean up New Orleans ;when you talk about the money that went for assistance did not reach those that need it the most ?the same is true right here . Did you see 60 minutes last night on how Grumman screwed the Coast Guard of 100 million dollars ,Gen. Myers ,remember 911 ,he is there with a 200thousand dollar salary plus his retirement pay ,talk about fair ... All i remember is how the Afghans took 8 yrs to destroy the Russian Army with our help ,and now the Poppy's we allow them to grow are growing out of control ,the object of the game is to keep the americans drugged up and drunk so they can be controlled like we are now ..President Carter was right blasting this administration .GHWB as compromised Pres . Bill Clinton ... want more write me at belljp@rcn.com
Thank you for your observation and your willingness to name the complexity of all that happening in Afganistan. I am not academically educated at all. I only am an observer. Democracy and the creation of it as we observe in the United States is a extraordinary process where I do not believe you ever arrive. The infracstructure is established through and an inordinate push for fairness and a framwork of just rules. And then there is survival and corruption both of which go hand and hand when economics are particullarly challenged for people and the framework has not been deeply rooted. I will stop here but I hope some day soon a group of people could sit down in Afganastan and make small head ways for the establishment of a stronger framework or rules that everyone abides by. I think deep down people want this. I pray for peace first individually and then collectively for all who live in countries where this struggle is a constant, momemt by moment experience of survival. Thank you for sharing the truth as seen by your eyes. I no ultimately how difficult change is myself, as I struggle to take responsibility for subtle angry patterns and thoughts towards myself and others. This shift is a daily struggle for compassion for a habitiual mind set that needs daily to be infused with love and pray. Blessings, Teisha
HA HA HA HA HA HA, HO HO HO HO HO, HA HA HA HA. Good Lord do I ever look forward to reading some of the comments left by clueless people. Some of which probably NEVER leave the safety of their own house after a 9 to 5 job. Especially the guy Michael Mckinley who wrote on May 20th. Ha Ha HA. What a joke... I have personaly seen the good and the completely AWFUL side of the war for over 12 months. I can honestly say that it sickens me that America looks at their own people like "WAR MONGERS" instead of realizing the WE DIDN'T START THIS SHIT!!!! Regardless of how you feel about Iraq, we DO belong in Afghanistan. That is where they Train, and brainwash future terrorist. God help this Nation when the minds of "turn the other cheeck" Liberals run this Country. If the News reported 1/10 of the good over there insterad of the old "If it Bleeds it Leads" attitude, the world might see something really is being done. I DO however appluad this article by Jim for not taking EITHER side. He simply reported what he saw.
THREAD (via trackback embedded in reference SOURCE link); Coomment: “I think it’s sad that President Carter’s reckless personal criticism is out there,” White House spokesman Tony Fratto responded Sunday from Crawford, where Bush spent the weekend. “I think it’s unfortunate,” [for BUSH] Fratto said. “And I think he is proving to be increasingly irrelevant with these kinds of comments.” (SOURCE: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18759682/) Those who would think, espouse or propagandize former president Carter as irrelevant (to them, perhaps not to the world) should meet him, see that very bright look in his eye, and/or read relevant books, like "Palestine - Peace not Apartheid". According to U.S. law, I believe he has another congressional or presidential Term available to him should he seek more direct and spotlighting input and action. Like Herbert Hoover, an engineer and humanitarian, based on his activities during the last twenty years or so, he offers well-intended, positive contribution to the world.
ARE YOU SERIOUS WHO IS WINNING IN AFGHASITAIN,THIS IS NOT A FOOTBALL GAME TO SEE WHAT THE FINAL OUTCOME WILL BE MEN AND WOMEN MILITARY AND CIVILIAN ARE DYING OVER THERE I WISH OUR TROOPS WERE NOT EVEN THERE AND I AM A VETERAN WHO SUPPORTS THEM ONE TWENTY PERCENT,AND IT MAY NOT BE IRAQ,OKAY BUT MY FELLOW VETERANS ARE DYING AS TO WHO IS WINNING HARD TO TELL ALL I DO KNOW IS THIS I WISH IT WERE OVER AND OUR TROOPS WERE BACK HOME HOW'S THAT FOR AND ANSWER.
the other side of story is that american government in their effort to dump their condoms,are ending in a bitter honeymoon.
I think the way Bush handled this war was perfect, in the beginning - an immediate response. Kudos! Then, everything he did thereafter was a botched up job. Bush the father sent 27,000 troops into Panama to take out Manuel Noriega in December of 1989. Compare this to the 11,000 troops that Bushy, Jr. sent to Afghanistan to fight the killer of the World Trade Center. As an introductory force, fine, but that was IT!!! What is wrong with you? There are more cops in NYC alone, than soldiers we sent to Afghanistan. Now, because of this phony war in Iraq that was foisted upon us we are unable to send in anymore troops to take out Al Qaeda/Bin Laden once and for all. This only leads me to believe that we want this war to go on in perpetuity. That way, the warmongers can feed the Military Industrial Complex. Congratulations to Ex-Pres Carter for telling it like it is with this administration.
ARE YOU SERIOUS WHO IS WINNING IN AFGHASITAIN,THIS IS NOT A FOOTBALL GAME TO SEE WHAT THE FINAL OUTCOME WILL BE MEN AND WOMEN MILITARY AND CIVILIAN ARE DYING OVER THERE I WISH OUR TROOPS WERE NOT EVEN THERE AND I AM A VETERAN WHO SUPPORTS THEM ONE TWENTY PERCENT,AND IT MAY NOT BE IRAQ,OKAY BUT MY FELLOW VETERANS ARE DYING AS TO WHO IS WINNING HARD TO TELL ALL I DO KNOW IS THIS I WISH IT WERE OVER AND OUR TROOPS WERE BACK HOME HOW'S THAT FOR AND ANSWER.
bin laden is a creation of our cia. 9/11 was an inside job. you know it and i know it.
We have the solution right in front of us. If anyone studies the history of Afghanistan, he will know that the Pushtuns have always formed the government in the center. 65% are Pushtuns, the Uzbek the Tajik the Hazara and a few other minorities form the remaining 35%. At present this large majority is invariably kept out of government.What you see in Aghanistan is predominately a power struggle. The majority is using all means available to it to come back into power. It is wrong to equate the Pushtuns with Talibans...the fundamentalists...a movement which gained impetus due to a power vaccuum after the ouster of the Russians. This movement further found a commonality with the Wahabi movement of Saudi Arabia after a lot of funds started flowing in from that country. The Pushtuns are a very vital part of the heritage of Afghanistan.The previous two ruling dynasties 'The Saddozais' and the 'Mohammadzais'were all Pushtuns. The Pushtuns will never accept the rule of the non-Pushtuns, everyone in Afghanistan knows this. They are the only one to bring peace to this troubled land; and ofcourse they are the majority and have been in power since the creation of Afghanistan. If there is a free and fair election they will certainly emerge as the winners. Anyone who has studied Pushtun culture and tradition would know that they have an honour code which predates religion. It is said that the Pushtuns consider them selves as Pushtuns first and Muslims later.Therefore,the present fight is actually between the minority supported by the allied forces against the majority....the Taliban's are just side issue. The Taliban movement at present is being fueled by hatred by the general populace for the occupying forces and the incessant killing of the innocent civilians. Hamid Karzai although a Pushtun, has no ligitimacey and grass root support and is seen by his countrymen as the puppet of the West. When the power is restored to the Pushtuns...that is the majority... they are the only ones who can reign-in the Talibans.
Too bad, we DID get a rah-rah piece and no coverage of the continued US tolerance of the Afghanistan drug trade, which we and Mr. Karzi are unwilling to stop. go to http;//dangerousintersection.org/?p=406
Who is winning HERE? How can we call America a democracy when 90% of Americans do NOT want to be in Afghanistan... and yet we are still there! The Pentagon Thugs argue that "we don't conduct military operations on the basis of opion polls"... what arrogant jerks. We have no business meddling in the Middle East. No wonder they hate us. We have brought this "terrorism" upon ourselves.
For the individual with the extraneous and irrelevent comment on Bhopal: Bhopal is in INDIA, not PAKISTAN.
This story is fairly on point. Do you know the Taliban (TB) has burned over 200 schools since the start of 2007 because there were girls getting an education there? Some of these schools were paid for by NGO's and were brand new. The TB want their populous dumb for a reason - to control them and that is only one of the atrocities. In the cities, progress is considerably noticeable but for the average, poor Afghan not living in cities, they are in Stone Age, except with maybe a cell phone - no kidding. Families/villages may share a vehicle (most vehicles are Toyota Corollas) between them. The reason why it is not safe for westerners in Kabul (or anywhere for that matter) is because the TB kidnap them for ransom - money speaks volumes in Afghanistan. Another problem with the TB is that one could watch them cross the border, shoot at NATO troops, and then walk back across and NATO cannot return fire. Other players are in the mix but the powers at be "feel" diplomacy is the best course of action. Tell that to the local or the NATO troop that just got schwacked by an IED with materials and personnel brought in from outside this country. Almost all of the suicide bombers are not Afghan - they are foreign fighters. Corruption is rampant but that is a three fold issue: education, it's part of the culture, and tribalism. What US citizens take for granted in the US, education, infrastructure and technology, is very lacking in Afghanistan. Some people have never seen a computer, let alone know how to read or write and women are worse off with an illiteracy rate of 94%. The other issue is that corruption (embezzlement, bribing) is part of the culture. They have tried to bribe US soldiers in order to not get in trouble - it didn't work. Trying to teach and punish corruption is probably the most frustrating issue in Afghanistan which is compounded by my last point - tribalism. They protect family/tribes here - even if they are mass murderers, and this can go way up the government chain. Fixing the corruption problem will fix about 80% of the problems in Afghanistan and provide that much needed money to develop a sound infrastructure that reaches to all of Afghanistan and for them to start providing for their own security. Often times, it is like working with children and trying to explain right and wrong and there is no exaggeration there. As I am constantly reminded, the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan is a sovereign country (that wants our help - mainly our money). It will fall into ruin if NATO were not here, but with help, comes the issue of wanting to help themselves and not individualistically but holistically, which as illustrated earlier, is foreign to Afghanistan because people owe their allegiances to tribes, not country; nationalism is unknown in Afghanistan. The main issue here is not about US and NATO foreign presence because most of the Muslims here do not want TB rule, but to get us out and for Afghanistan to be self supporting, there is going to be a heavy, heavy learning curve for Afghans to start helping their own countrymen and women for the betterment of Afghanistan. Take away the corruption and the outside neighboring countries' bad influences and provide education, Afghanistan would prosper as it did in the 60's and 70's.
Afghanistan is not a poor country, it is rich in opium and gold. Under taliban rule, it was illegal to grow opium. They reduced exports by 95%. The remaining 5%? grown in the north. So you invade because of 9/11, and what do you know, opium exports back up to pre-taliban levels. And what do you know, unocal pipeline built by halliburton. And the gold? It's alright though, they're not people, let's nuke them because they're jews-I mean terrorists. Yeah, America is about as democratic and free as Nazi Germany. You're free to fatten the pockets of those invested. Stupid, stupid Americans. That's what we are.
A really good report, supported by such a favorable response reflects_ a good sense still prevails amid hypermyopics.We hope that concerned think-tanks may learn atleast a bit out of it.
Charles DeGaulle told John Kennedy, "Stay out of Vietnam. It is an unwinnable situation. Leave it alone or suffer what we did." Kennedy thought, "That's the French. Is anyone surprized? We are the AMERICANS. Any dangerous situation can be tenable if brave men make it so." Ten years later, trillions of wasted dollars later, hundreds of thousands of dead or blind and maimed men later we understood what DeGaulle said. The Russians could have, and probably would have, told us the same thing about Afghanistan. Would Bush have listened? Not on your life. We are the AMERICANS. And a ten year, senseless war, in a country that is none of our business, starts over. The only difference will be, I hope, is our troops will not have to be rescued from a roof top by the last helicopter.
Nobody is winning. American taxpayer is losing!
God bless the United States effort in Afganistan! May the good guys find and stop the bad guys from pillaging and killing. May the good guys help the Afghans recreate a nation where they can live and take care of their families.
The sad news is that we cannot "win" in Afganistan for the same reasons that the Soviets could not win there. Quite simply, the folks we are fighting will continue to fight for the rest of eternity and I doubt that we are willing to do that. Plus, it only takes a small number of fighters to blow up schools and threaten civilians and that is their most effective weapon. In a nation like Afghanistan it is virtually impossible to completely wipe out a group like the Taliban. Like the IRA in Ireland or the Bathes in Spain or the Tamil in Sri Lanka, the Taliban will continue to fight for decade after long decade. I doubt that we will want to sustain that effort and the moment the US and NATO leave, the Taliban will move it. All that we can hope to accomplish is to hold them at bay for as long as we are there. I doubt that anyone would call that winning.
It comes down to this, "their" definition of winning is waiting the coalition out. Each offensive season when a few, lose a few and then rest for the winter. Tie down the troops for a long stay with a gov't that is truly not extending its control over the whole country successfully. The popy servers as a cash crop for weapons etc. Are we winning? We would have to go into the mountains as we should have done initially and not in the manner of how we did it. Sorry, it is not only Iraq with the Planners & Joint Chief of Staff and the upper civilian leadership FAILED. Yes, the Tailban were overthrown . . . my reaction is, "So what!" six years later. We missed it!
It comes down to this, "their" definition of winning is waiting the coalition out. Each offensive season when a few, lose a few and then rest for the winter. Tie down the troops for a long stay with a gov't that is truly not extending its control over the whole country successfully. The popy servers as a cash crop for weapons etc. Are we winning? We would have to go into the mountains as we should have done initially and not in the manner of how we did it. Sorry, it is not only Iraq with the Planners & Joint Chief of Staff and the upper civilian leadership FAILED. Yes, the Tailban were overthrown . . . my reaction is, "So what!" six years later. We missed it!
To Jim: the REASON that they hate us (and might come here) is because we were/are over there in the first place, dropping bombs when in the cold war with the soviets. To Tim: It's pretty well known in Europe that the U.S. (CIA) is controlling the drug trade. Members of the E.U.'s Drug Enforcement Agency equivalent have backtracked the sources to American-funded teams. Scary isn't it!
my only wish is that we all get along with one another and not force our ways on these poor people who have lived this way for over a thousand years.may our god have mercy on us all.


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