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Honoring victims of genocide, a universal need

Posted: Monday, April 02, 2007 7:59 AM
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The blog I posted last week "Holocaust survivors always 'survivors'" provoked so many interesting -- and contradictory -- comments that I’d like to respond.

Many readers shared memories, others sympathy, but a surprising number either denied the Holocaust ever happened or basically took the line: You weren’t the only ones, and stop whining already!

Now there’s nothing new about that. Martin Gilbert, the historian and Churchill’s official biographer, noted that in 1942 a British Member of Parliament stood in the House of Commons, and in response to growing rumors of the slaughter of Jews in Nazi concentration camps, complained about "those whining Jews."

Clearly genocide has not only targeted Jews, yet some readers raise the question, why do the Jews uniquely make such a meal out of it? Why can’t they get over it?

Personally I think it’s a stupid question, but since it appears to be a frequent one, I will try to give an answer.

The way I see it, remembering, and honoring the victims of genocide, is not a Jewish thing, it is a universal need.  

'Never forget'
On a hill on the edge of Kigali, Rwanda’s capital, is a squat concrete building that will tear your heart out. It contains photographs of victims, as well as the tools of their murder, and is built on the tombs of thousands of slaughtered Tutsis. When the Rwandan government wanted to build its own memorial to its 800,000 dead, it came to Yad Vashem, the Holocaust in Jerusalem, for advice.   

And the Tuol Sleng genocide museum in Phnom Penh is just one of many memorials in Cambodia that consists mostly of smashed skulls, a fraction of the million to two million killed by the Khmer Rouge during their deadly regime.

Nobody wants to forget, despite the efforts of perpetrators, their sympathizers and the ignorant. Why is the pain of Armenians still so fresh? Because Turkey still will not admit that it slaughtered a million Armenians early last century. Turkey still insists they were victims of war, and that only a fraction of that number really died.

Evil acts by states and the slaughter of innocents should not be forgotten, and nations should not be reprieved by history, or the lack of it.

When I read "King Leopold’s Ghost" by Adam Hochschild, I was astonished to read that Belgium, the colonial power in the Congo, had killed ten million Africans. Even though I lived in Africa for four years, I had no idea of the extent of the genocide. These are things everyone ought to know.

So do Jews whine more than others? I don’t think so. I have reported from Rwanda, Cambodia, Bosnia, as well as Somalia, Kosovo and Gaza and a host of other painful places. I have not noticed any differences in the extent of pain, or how it is expressed. All families remember with the same pain, and all believe their tragedy should never be repeated anywhere.

I grew up in a rather dark home, burdened by memories. Every few days it seemed my father would light a Jahrzeitlicht, a candle in memory of somebody, and I would have to stand silently by his side as he held my hand and murmured some words of prayer: "This is the day Omi died of typhoid in Riga. This is the anniversary of Opi’s death in Majdanek. This is the day Otto was last heard of in Berlin. This is the day the Nazis took my mother. This is the day…Auschwitz, Belsen, Buchenwald…Sobibor." My father tried to keep his family’s memory alive, with a little flame on a shelf, and then he would cry.

Does anybody really think he was making this up?

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Well said.
I believe we should be reminded until it no longer happens. I don't believe people should ever forget how people lost their live's to such brutal and horrible ways . People still loosing their lives and there children that are unspeakable to the human race they not only loose life but any dignity and way of life before all this happens to them. As for people who think it dosen't exist or never happened, Shame on you! And for all those who ignore it, what if it happened to you, really think what it would be like and how you would react......
The Holocaust needs to be kept alive. We should not ever forget the evil that was and that still is. Whether it was in a concentration camp or in a dungeon, genocide is alive and well and people just play dumb and turn their heads. I wish there were traveling museums for the Holocaust so all could see the evil that was done and could understand the evil that is still here. It should never happen again, but it will continue somewhere.
When Censorship overcomes free expression , this is the result . If people cannot voice their thoughts freely history is history.
people are violent. it seems increasingly so. its the facist state of a lot of the world. its horrible.
IT IS SAD THAT THERE ARE STILL SO MANT PEOPLE THAT WILL NOT ADMIT TO THE WROND DOINGS OF THE JEWS OR ANY OTHER RACE THAT WAS WRONGED FOR BEING "DIFFERENT". THE HOLOCAUST SHOULD BE REMEBERED. RWANDA SHOULD, SLAVERY SHOULD HOW WE TREAT OUR VETS' SHOULD. HOW DARE PEOPLE ACT AS IF NONE OF THIS HAPPENED. IT HAPPENED AND IT IS PAINFUL. ME MYSELF I AM OUTRAGE I HAVE A JEWISH IN LAW (I AM BLACK AND PUERTO RICAN) I HEAR HER TALK ABOUT HER GRANDPARENTS AND GREAT GRANDPARENTS ALL THE TIME AND ABOUT WHAT THEY WENT THROUGH. IT HURTS ME TO MY SOUL .
Alas, we priviledged Americans have never been subjected to terror raining down on us. We've never had to watch our children tortured as we die, or been forced up into the hills to hide from vicious bands of homicidal racists. Don't get me wrong. I'm very happy that we have not had to experience what most of the world has, at one time or another, and I would gladly die to keep my country safe. But, we should be bright enough, here in the land of milk and honey, to know we can only stay safe by widening our scope...by looking aound and extending, if not help, at least a little compassion. If we could find a way to feed everyone (not really beyond the Earth's wonderful bounty) and help just one generation of children grow up without war and death all around them, the world would be forever changed. The people who hit upon the idea that all are created equal really did mean all people; not just all Americans. It pains me to see their beautiful dreams of life, libery and the pursuit of happiness twisted into avaricious greed and mean-spirited intolerance. But, then, I can afford to be Utopian. After all, it's all around us, here in the land of milk and honey.
My college professor was a survivor of the Holocaust. She still bears the tattoo given to her as a child. My husband's best friend helped reburry hundreds of victims in the former Yugoslavia in the late 90s and still has nightmares of the carnage. Instead of dying the events, we need to learn from them. We need to learn the dehumanizing that goes on before genocide and avoid it. Racism comes in all colors and creeds. All of God's children need to work together and keep these tragedies from happening again and again. The Holocaust was not the first or the last. But, its importance lies in the fact it was the first widely documented case and its the most studied. We can learn from what happened in Europe in the 1930s and 1940s. We can remember and we can work against it. Obviously we haven't learn enough. Or the innocent souls in Bosnia, Albania, Kosovo and Rwanda would not have suffered so much loss. Pray for Peace, but don't forget to act.
I, for one, will never doubt the holocaust took place. My Grandfather helped to liberate two of those evil places. I will never doubt your fathers pain either. Do the Jewish "whine" louder than any other group targeted for genocide? No, I do not believe so. Could this be the case? The Nazi Holocaust was simply the first recorded by modern media so that the world saw almost first hand the organized evil visited upon an entire people for no better reason than a personal prejudice. My respect, my love, my prayers to those who survived, to those who did not, and for those so ignorant as to believe this atrocity never occured.
I was a Film major in college. In a class on documentary films, we saw home movies taken by German officers at Auschwitz. There was one scene that was so upsetting I had to get up and leave. The scene showed emancipated bodies being shoveled into a mass grave by bulldozers. How anyone can deny the Holocaust is beyond me. But then there are those who believe the Earth is flat and the center of the Universe.
I just think it is sick that the USA obsesses over the Halocaust at every turn, while actual genocides occur right in front of their noses.
I feel that I can honestly say that anyone who denies the genocide of the Jewish people (among other targeted groups) which occurred during the WWII period by the Nazis is simply ignorant to history or does not want to admit fault. For some, this may be any easy way out of escaping blame for atrocities. Some may argue that the Jewish community receives more attention for the genocide against them, and this may be true to some extent for the simple reason that it happened during a World War. The genocides in Africa and Cambodia, for instance, may not have received the publicity which the Holocaust did for this very reason. Yes, there were as many, and in some cases more, murders with these genocides but they were not encompassed by a war that overtook the world, and for that reason may not be receiving the press which the Holocuast has. Either way, no genocide, I believe, can be considered better or worse or more worthy of public attention than any other. They are all terrible and render the human race more susceptible to the evils of the world and of mankind itself.
Likewise, The Vietnam Memorial Wall, albeit smaller than some you mentioned. So it doesn't have to happen again, we will stop it in Iraq.
what about the armenian genocide that every body knows about but fail to talk about .
Hate. It is a gift from God. I came from a jewish bloodline that ended with my Grandmother. My father, oddly enough, is an athieist. Her family disowned her because she married a gentile. They hated her decision more than they loved her as a daughter. To them it was more important for her to maintain a pure jewish bloodline than her emotional well being. So much for what any jew thinks. I was in Israel as a Navy sailor. Our command spent about a week warning us not to wear cammoflauge patterned clothing, that the israeli's view it as clothing a terrorist would wear. To make a long story short. I was shore patrol and had to go pick up one of my shipmates from the local PD. He was beat to crap because he was wearing both t-shirt and trousers in the very pattern we were told not to waer. The thing is, he was a blond haired, green eyed boy from North Carolina. I spoke to the Israeli watch captain, a New York jew transplant, asking him why they would do such a thing, that he should know better because he was an American as well. He told me that he wasn't an American and that he has nothing to do with us. Well, so much for what any jew thinks. The point I'm trying to make is that those who whine at one time were on top. And if ever they get on top, well, they do what they have to to remain there. I was watching a documentary of Palestine, while the British still controlled. It was amusing to see that the jews were using the exact same terrorist tactics against the british that the Palestinians are using today against the Israelis. The only attack the Palestinians need to undertake in order to mirror the jews is an attack on a hospital. After close analysis, if I had an enemy, I would destroy them completely, because not doing so invites reprisals from their offspring at some later date. It only makes sense don't you think? Isn't this such a wonderful petrie dish God has made for us? I bet we keep him entertained for hours.
Although I have no personal connection with anyone who has experienced genoside. I feel very strongly that it is something that should never be forgotten. In forgetting or ignoring I think we make it eaiser to continue and no race has the right to eliminate another for any reason.
TRUE WHAT YOU SAY BUT HERE IN THE USA IT'S ALL ABOUT THE JEWS AND THAT THE HOLOCUST OF WW11 COMES ACROSS AS JUST A JEW THING, LIKE WE WERE RESPONSIBLE. WHAT WE ARE RESPONSINBLE FOR IS THE GENICIDE OF THE AMERICAN INDIAN, AND I MIGHT ADD THAT ISRAEL RECEIVES MORE FOREIGN AID THAN THAT WHICH IS GIVEN TO THE NATIVE TRIBES. WE SUBSIDIZE THE ILLEGAL SETTLEMENTS ON PALESTIAN LAND, YET OUR OWN GOVERMENT CAN NOT PROVIDE THE NAVJAHO NATION WITH WATER. MAY BE OFF SUBJECT, HOWEVER I HAVE MANY JEWISH FRIENDS, BUT I AM DEFINITLY NOT PRO-ISRAEL.
Thank you for the above. My father entered the camps in Germany to document what happened there and who were the survivors. He never talked about what he saw nor did he forget. My father was raised in a Germany speaking home in America and he could never forget his disgrace. My brother spent two tours in Vietnam and never speaks of what he saw. Now my son remembers his tours in Somalia, Honduras, Iraq and Afghanistan and never speaks of what he saw. He experiences nightmares in its place. I know the evil man does to man due to religion race and fear of the "different." As a nation of human beings, we must never forget and strive to never let it happen again.
We are all diminished and bereaved and mutilated and subject to vivisection by the genocidal assassinations of specific vilified members of the Human Family. In the Sanatana Dharma Tradition Genocidal progroms constitut Brahma hatya/ Atma Hatya( Violent attacks on the divinity of humans and God the Craetor) All of us are descendents of the progeny of the Eurasian Adam with an M168 marking on the Y chromosome and his lovely lady with a Mitochondrial marker designated L3. They were living in East Africa. Once they left the shore of East Africa they spread East west and north south. In the space of 30,000 years they had spread to Australia the far corners of Asia and Europe and corossed the frozen tundra across the Bering starits to the Americas and stopped only when they reached the southern tip of S. America. Thus every continent but for Antarctica was populated by the hardy, ingenious and adaptive children of the prototypical Adam and Eve. Most Religious texta assert the common humanity of all people who are made in the image of God. Sanskrit texts proclaim eg.1. The first verse of the Isavasya Upanishas proclaims," Isavayam idam Sarvam." (God pervades all that exists.) 2. The concept of Vasudeva Kutumbakkam (Family whose mebers are embodied souls)3. Every prayer ends with this benediction, Sarve janana sukhino bhavantu( May God bestow comfort and Joy on all Humanity)4.Another prayer pleads,Prithvi bara naso Mukhunda( O God Deign to ease the burden of Humanity.) For those readers who may be adherents of other religious traditions they are already aware of the core values of their faiths that may parallel these nuggets extracted from the ore of Sanatana Dharma tradition. For those who agnostic or theist they will be able to join with others who may differ with their views and reflect the answerto this question that Dunne asked and answered, For whom does the bell toll? It tolls for us( the members of the human family who are being exterminated because of their morphological religious or ethnic characteristics. ( it is important to point out tht the superficial external morphologial characteristics that are udes to segregate the members of the human family into races or even sub-human entities or 3/5ths of a human being began to appear only 30,000 years ago a mere blink of an eye in the long and successful adaptation of modern humans to every environment on this Planet.
All I have to say is that remembering genocide serves to honor the victims and to remind us how evil it is and to learn from the past so that we can try not to let history repeat itself.
Mankind, in general has never been good at remembering beyond the moment. Ground Zero, at The World Trade Center has its spectators, but most of the memories are in the hands of movie makers and book publishers. Genocide? Since it usually covers years, the dead are lucky to make the daily news. No one wants to understand, let alone notice, what the human race is capable of. The networks understand that there viewing public, do not want to hear about it. If one of them televised an in depth report on the genocides of today, it would probably be one of the lowest rated programs for it's time slot. With the world's indifferent attitude toward death, genocide is a hard sell. When you speak of the Jewish Holocaust, where most of the survivors are no longer with us, it becomes an impossible sell. Genocide needs to be documented and made public. However, it will be a lonely pursuit for those people courageously keeping the dead, in front of the public.
We must not forget, and we must remind those who come after us, so that these atrocities will not be repeated.
i agree that they will always be victim but it is a need to restore their humanity.
I am so saddened at those who DONT believe the Holocaust happened. As a kid I remember seeing film of the bodies being bulldozed. I remember the skeleton bodies of the survivors. Why cant they just get over it??? What kind of person would ask a question such as this??? If something like this happened to your "kind", your family, your neighborhood, how quickly do you think you'd be able to "just get over it"? Its a horror of humankind! This is a people who have suffered greatly. All the way from Biblical times. Jesus our saviour was a Jew who was wrongfully killed because he was seen as a threat, as many still see the Jewish people. Jewish people, though white, are made to be less than human, a lesser form of white,if you will, made to seem as if they deserved what they got from the Nazis (if they didnt make it up thats is, right?) and dont deserve what theyve rightfully earned in society. Theyve had to fight for their rights - the right to pray, the right to freedom and the right to simply exist - then AND now. Ive grown quite tired of hearing them refered to as THE JEWS. Its not simply a name, its like calling a black man the 'N' word. I hear that fourletter word tossed around in conversations with my inlaws. I hate it. We are all the same in the eyes of God. When will people understand that? I can only see those whose "race" havnt had to suffer (like many "white" cultures)say things so callous and hateful. White america, whites in general, are lucky to have not had such attrocities on just their "kind". So those who havent experienced such things are less likely to understand. Its unfortunate that people no longer care for their fellow man. What God must be thinking about humankind. I have to appologize, though I know words mean very little, to the Jewish community for those who do not believe and have understanding. I cry at the horror that your culture has gone through. And I ask God to bless you all. May God bless the endeavours of those who wish to honor the victims of genocide, who died undeservingly because of the hate of others. AMEN.
Genocide is an unspeakable, monstrous, and dark stain on human history. What's even more unspeakable is that governments and organizations, especially the UN, cannot find the moral courage to combat genocide even as it happens in places like Darfur. Perhaps the words "never again" should be changed to "never again until the next time". I hope with all my heart that I am proved wrong.
The Jews do not hold the record for genocide. The English killed millions of Irish through starvation and slaughter in the name of religion...no walls, memorials or protest are ever mentioned..to the Jews, "get over it"..don't forget it, just move on.
Everyone in the world talks about Auschwitz, Belsen, Buchenwald…Sobibor but the world and the author dont know nor mention about Jasenovac concentration camp (Croatia) that was run by Croatians in WWII. There 1.1 million mostly Serbs were butchered by Nazi Croatians along with the Gypsies. Now you know why Serbs fought the Muslims and Croats in the Balkans it’s simple as that. Bosnian Muslims division known as "handar" (curved Muslim knife) were so bad that even the SS were appalled at the stuff that they were doing to the Serbs. My own father witnessed bodies floating down the river full of red color and bodies with no heads. So it’s not the Jews that were victims in the war yet they keep talking about it. You also mention Kosovo, let me tell you a bit about Kosovo. Kosovo is Serbian birth place of our orthodox religion yet Kosovo Albanians there have been destroying churches that are over 800 years old and that is with NATO troops there for last 7 years. I will also mention how they machined down 5 Serbian kids as they were swimming in the river and that too was in 2003 with so called NATO troops there. Do you thing that the world would allow this to happen to Jews and their sacred grounds if the Muslims were doing this? Kosovo to Serbs is what Jerusalem, Bethlehem and Vatican is to Catholics and other Christian religions, what Mecca and Medina is to Muslims yet the Kosovo Albanians are allowed to do what they want. The stuff they have been doing to Serbs there has been going on since 1979 ( read the NY Times article). Since 1999 when so called peace troops from NATO took over the control over Kosovo province over 500 Serbian churches have been destroyed, 700 Serbs have been killed and over 2000 missing. Now, they want to be independent country, it would be like Mexicans trying to take over Maryland and Virginia, PA as they are majority there but it’s a birth place of America. Would rest of Americans allow this? How would you feel if they destroyed the Alamo?
I don't think that your father was making it up, however I do take issue with the number of people who were killed in the concentration camps. If 6 million people were killed in those concentration camps, judging by a 100 pound person at 5' 6"...... there would be no space in or under the concentration camps! They would all have to be made of bodies or have bodies in EVERY SQUARE INCH, according to the math. Considering that even with the Nazi's meticulous record-keeping, we haven't found any mass graves outside the camps....... the number of people murdered had to be less than is stated by people after the Holocaust.
When all you have is alittle flame to remind you of the people who once made up your family it has to be the saddest thing in the world.For the people that never studied that history i can seee how they don't understand . They are all involved in the problems in Africa, which are by no means a small thing. Yet i noticed the the articles about africa written in this blog a couple of days ago have gone for the most part unanswerd, which leaves me to think do we realy care?? or is this the flavor of the month in holliwood. Is it being replaced with having kids in africa or adopting kids all over the world when we have plenty of children right here.What happened to the jews and how it happened are the type of things that cannot be ever. The families of these dead are still among us an d deserve our support. We as a nation support the U.N. and the African union when they decide what is to be done we will as usual do our part and more. They can no longer just dump everything in our laps and walk away. It is time for us to follow their leed and do as much as they do.The amount of support we as a nation give all over the world would probably take on hell of a bite out of our national debt. I am sick of indirectly being taxed by the U.N.
Thank you for this article. Yes, we must all remember. It is so painful but in order to never have these atrocities repeated again, we must hear the truth, we must allow ourselves to know and feel the true pain, we must remain sensitive. Let the pain sink in so that we will never become desensitized and see these torturous genocides repeated. I am an Armenian living in America. Our older family members still tell the stories of the horid Aremenian genocide and we will always pass it down to our next generations. Never forget.
I am a high school history teacher in Colorado, U.S. Last year I was appalled by the school districts' choices to eliminate (yes, eliminate) certain curriculum from World History and American History classes which I teach. Due to budget and time constraints, the district decided that the World War II curriculum needed to be pared down, eliminating any mention or even a day of discussion of the Japanese Internment camps. My question is this: how, as a history teacher, am I supposed to teach American History, (our role in WWII), without even teaching about the Japanese internment camps? Well, I can't. You simply cannot teach history cirriculum chosen and organized by administrators who aren't history scholars or teachers. Well, anyway, I enjoyed your article on genocide and the history of other horrific genocides which have occured throughout history. Especially poignant was your remark: "I have not noticed any differences in the extent of pain, or how it is expressed." Thank you.
Martin, I never paid much attention to those belittling someone’s pain. Ignorance is plentiful and only Universe will heal it; don’t waste your time on them. But the crushing part of it all is that many of our children and their children’s children, just like your father, will remember many gruesome killings of their time, and will light up a candle for the victims of today and the future. The ignorance is not only in those who deny, but in all of us who allow! You cannot argue with the Truth that we have learned nothing…
I honestly believe that the only way people can take a stand of indifference is because they refuse to educate themselves. It is easier to remain blind and ignorant then to accept the atrocities brought on by such ignorance. Use the internet, turn on SCOLA, use the vast amount of knowledge available and educate yourselves. We need to support each other in our fight against all injustices or it might be; your children, your parents, your loved ones. Who will be there for them if we all just concentrate on ourselves?
No one is making it up. I remember a girl in my class in 1976 for a history project had her maman come in a talk of how they escaped but the rest of the extended family did not. I still remember the way this old woman cried at losing everyone, the stories she told and the look in her eyes when she finished and told us not to forget what she had said. One of the boys in the class asked why should we not forget wouldn't it be easier to put it behind and move on? (we were in 10th grade). She stood tall, looked him straight in the eye and said NO, do not forget because when you forget you don't look for the signs of it happening again. It keeps you wary. Then she strode out the door. It was a very humbling experience. Yes it could have been made up but not the same exact story told by thousands and with no book to learn from but a life of horror to learn from.
Perhaps if the world had been steadfast in its efforts to stop the first genocide of the 20th century (perpetrated by the Turks against the Armenians), there would not have been other genocides, and thus this discussion would ceaze. Since that did not happen and as a result more than 1.5 million Armenians were killed, the complacency exhibited by the whole world at that time created an impetus for more genocides. Every human should honor those that perished or survived any genocide, and more importanty bring all perpetrators or the heir of perpetrators to justice.
THE TWIN HOLOCAUSTS This year is the 700 hundred year anniversary, marking the arrests of Knights Templar in Paris, on Friday October 13, 1307. History has memorialized the commencing date for demise of the Templar Order, which reached a climax with the death of Knights Templar Grand Master Jacques de Molay, who was burned at the stake, facing Notre Dame, on March 18, 1314. Jacques fiery end, would official signal the beginning of The Inquisition, which set the tone for Jewish persecution in the coming centuries, reaching its own notoriety in Nazi, Germany. Most people talk only of the Jewish Holocaust, but few realize that there has always been genocide, within the human race. Treachery, greed, and ambition, have fueled many fires beneath the stakes and ovens. Somehow the spirit survives the torment of those who either perished in the flames, or were erased from memory by the earth itself. Holocaust survivors are scattered across our globe, but only two share the same timeline, that traces the history of The Inquisition. During the last three decades, the lost books of the Gnostic Christians, along with their traditions, some of which were familiar to the Knights Templar, are coming to light once again. The contents of The Nag Hammadi Library, and the recently reported Gospel of Judas, are a few representations of gnosis, that were nearly erased through holocaust. Roman Catholic Pontiff John Paul II, apologized for the Jewish Holocaust, but no condolences have ever been made for the death and destruction committed against the people of a similar church. When we talk about holocaust apologies, let us be mindful that the suffering of one community can only be reconciled, by acknowledging the similar fate of one's twin. A.J.S.
Jews arent the only ones. I dont see anyone honoring the genocide against palestians or against Bosnians. In fact the court wouldn't even find Serbia guilty of war crimes. How is that for justice.
I am not Jewish, a Bosnian, or an Arab. I have never felt the pain of genocide. I don't have close or distant relatives who have suffered the cruelties of humanity. But I don’t need to have had these things happen to understand how painful the tragedy of genocide can be. One thing I am though is a soldier who has been to places where these horrific acts have taken place. I’ve been to the Middle East, Bosnia, and Haiti where I’ve seen the death and horrors with my own eyes. It deeply saddens me to hear someone say genocide didn’t really happen or those people should stop whining. Let’s not forget that the slaughter of the Jews by the Nazis happened with in this lifetime. There are still people alive today that managed to escape the concentration camps. For the naïve person that asks “Why can’t they just get over it”, ask yourself, if your parents were killed in the holocaust or if you never got to know your grandparents because they died in those camps, would you get over it? I would think not.
Another thing what about the people that killed in Laos, Cambodia, and other neighboring countries by americans and by bombs that where randomly dropped. How come those military officials are not convicted of war crimes. How can saddam be convicted but bush isnt convicted for killing more people then saddam. Simple, as the nazi leader once said, "It will always be the victor who tries the defeated for crimes." Americans did the same thing as nazis yet they are not convicted of war crimes either.
It is ludicrous to deny the holocaust, it is the cheap, sensationalist tactic of those craving attention.However what is worse is our community's response to it.What really irks me is double standards. We expect muslims to tolerate the cartoons mocking their prophet muhammad published in the French "charlie hebdo" newspaper while we want the holocaust to be a sacrosanct issue, not open to debate. We call palestinians savages when they protest against being attacked, against the mocking of a prophet for whom they have a profoundly personal reverence and love while we ourselves burn down the synagogue whose members attended the holocaust conference. without any knowledgeof their scripture we ridicule their religion for prescribing stoning to death for adultery when it is a judaic tradition mentioned twice in the Torah( in leviticus and deutoronomy)that some muslims have adopted as law; there is no mention of it in the koran it is only found in certain sayings of muhammad (the authenticity of which many muslims doubt). We should be shocked and aggrieved by every human tragedy, not just the ones that touch a personal note in us. lastly, zionism is not judaism. as long as we accept the Israeli government's systematic destruction of the palestinian race. When we hear of sewage flash floods (yes, sewage flash floods)in the palestinian refugee camps (worse living conditions than the warsaw ghettoes) we should know there is something, somewhere that we are doing wrong.
I lost my daughter when she was 10 and I received some very good advice. "Loosing a loved one is like having a hole in your heart. You can either fall into it or build a bridge across it. Either way you can never refill that hole, and sometimes your bridge breaks and you have to rebuild it."
I'm sorry about your mother. Im glad that your father lights a candal in remembrance. It is great they he wont forget. The people who are sympathetic to genocidal maniacs are ignorant and stupid.
why is this always about the jews. why dont we mention the genocide in jenine and south leb the jews do . is it becuse they control the media.
I am 62 now. When I was 5, 6, and 7 years old, we were stationed in Germany. My father was in the Army. On the way back home, we came back on a Displaced Persons ship. I remember telling a older man I liked his beard and he cried. I asked what was the tatoo for. He started saying, "Tell the World what you saw...Tell the World what you saw." When we reached New York, Ellis Island, he and other skinny people got off and danced in a circle. Survivors! Tell the world what you saw and see!
It is ludicrous to deny the holocaust, it is the cheap, sensationalist tactic of those craving attention.However what is worse is our community's response to it.What really irks me is double standards. We expect muslims to tolerate the cartoons mocking their prophet muhammad published in the French "charlie hebdo" newspaper while we want the holocaust to be a sacrosanct issue, not open to debate. We call palestinians savages when they protest against being attacked, against the mocking of a prophet for whom they have a profoundly personal reverence and love while we ourselves burn down the synagogue whose members attended the holocaust conference. without any knowledgeof their scripture we ridicule their religion for prescribing stoning to death for adultery when it is a judaic tradition mentioned twice in the Torah( in leviticus and deutoronomy)that some muslims have adopted as law; there is no mention of it in the koran it is only found in certain sayings of muhammad (the authenticity of which many muslims doubt). We should be shocked and aggrieved by every human tragedy, not just the ones that touch a personal note in us. lastly, zionism is not judaism. as long as we accept the Israeli government's systematic destruction of the palestinian race. When we hear of sewage flash floods (yes, sewage flash floods)in the palestinian refugee camps (worse living conditions than the warsaw ghettoes) we should know there is something, somewhere that we are doing wrong.
I agree with you, what a stupid question! When a person is slaughtered,and or tortured,then in that moment will they understand why we all must remember all of the Holocausts throughout time. We need to remember,and cease to do these evil deeds in the PRESENT! In forgetting,we all repeat the same stupid mistakes,and obviously we are not the better for it. Wake up human kind,and cease to commit acts of hatred against others,when who you really hate is yourselves! Go heal your own hatred of yourself, so that you may learn to love yourself,and then your brothers and sisters,for we all came from the same creator.
The following was printed in the Grand Rapids Press (June 5, 2001). The Ottoman Empire during its 600-year history never exercised a policy of racial or religious persecution of extermination against any nation. The Armenian claims of "genocide" relate to a period when the Armenians, the majority of whom were Ottoman citizens, waged a war of independence against the Ottoman Empire during WWI, when Russians and allied forces were also invading Anatolia. It is very well documented by historians that Armenians had formed revolutionary committees that attacked Ottoman villages and massacred Turks and Kurds as well as actively assisting the invading Russian forces. The Ottoman government had to relocate the Armenians in eastern Anatolia where they were close to the Russians. Approximately 700,000 Armenians died of starvation and diseases during the relocation and the fight with the local Turkish and other Muslim people. More than 2 million Turks and Muslims were massacred by the Armenians or died during this tragic event. Historical documents do not support the occurrence of a genocide. After WWI, the Ottoman capital was under Allied occupation and all the state archives were under the control of the British authorities in Istanbul. As a result of constant propaganda and accusations by Armenian agitators, the British transported more than 140 Ottoman high officials, officers, and cabinet members, to Malta for a trial. The prisoners were held in Malta for 30 months while the British, French, and the Americans searched feverishly for evidence of alleged crimes. If there were any credible witnesses or evidence regarding the alleged Armenian genocide, the three powers would have discovered them easily. No evidence could be found in Paris, Istanbul, or in Anatolia to support the charge that the Ottomans had planned a mass slaughter of Armenians. The British High Commission was unable to forward any legal evidence to London. There was nothing in the British archives that corroborated the wild accusations of the Armenians. In America, there were already powerful Armenian lobbies. Yet, Sir Aucland Geddes, the British Ambassador in Washington, informed London on June 2, 1912, that the state department could not produce any evidence against the prisoners of Malta either. The meticulous search conducted by the British for more than two years with utmost zeal to vindicate the Armenian allegations produced nothing. There was no evidence, no reliable witnesses, no proof, and as a result, no case. On October 25, 1921, after 30 months of imprisonment, the accused Ottomans left the British colony of Malta as free men. Just as a reminder of to everyone reading the newspaper, the Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation of Armenia (ASALA), an Armenian terrorist group conducted terrible acts and attacks against Turkish diplomats, Turkish people, and Turkish work sites (between 1975 and 1985). It is time for the Armenians to admit to these historical facts. I also invite the Armenian community to cease these false accusations.
I don't think the jews whine too much. After losing millions in NAZI concentration camps you should expect the abuse of jews to decline, but it still continues to this day.
Sean torrington: What do you mean "ACTUAL GENOCIDES" what the jews went was not real enough for you ?? Yes there are other such crimes comitted all over the world to other people that did not deserve it. those murders are not any more or less "ACTUAL" THAN THE SUBJECT AT HAND. I did not see you comment on Africa on the blog a couple of days ago, this is youre big chance to go back and make your point there.
We MUST not forget is right. The only thing that upsets me is that everyone especially in the US say the Jews this the Jews that. YES, THEY DID SUFFER AND DIE. HOWEVER millions were tortured and died who were not Jewish . Almost everyone here say to me - but it was only the Jews!. I know better ( I am a naturalized American now and damn proud of it!) they murdered millions in Russia and many other countries. Personally-- my aunt Simone Loche ( France) was at Auschwitz-Birkenau , suffered and was operated on.They came for her husband who was in the French underground and refused to give him up.She was one of those you see being put in the cattle cars for transportation. Some of the operations they did on her we don't know what they were.She was liberated by the Russians.She has been written up in several books one of which is Carlotte Delbo's--Le convoi du 24 Janvier (1943).Simone is on page 182 .It was made into a movie--Histoire du convoi du 24 Janvier 1943 Auschwitz-Birkenau. I have the book but I'm still trying find the movie .Thank God she came back to us .On July 6, 1993 , she was given the Medaille Militaire & La Croix de Guerre avec Palme. The highest medals awarded in France . So, Let us NOT FORGET everyone from every country who suffered such atrocities that no one can possibly imagine. I know I will NEVER FOREGET ANY OF THEM. MAY GOD BLESS THEM ALL. WE LOVE YOU .( ANYONE INTERESTED MIGHT FIND this interesting. Enter in your search field--Oradour-Sur Glane.)


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