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Top of the news in Tehran

Posted: Friday, March 30, 2007 2:03 PM
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It’s been a week since the 15 British sailors and marines were seized by Iran and not much has been resolved. The British still insist that their personnel were in Iraqi waters when they were detained, and the Iranians are still arguing to the contrary.

The British have released GPS data that they say shows they did not violate Iranian waters, but Tehran has video footage and charts it says shows that the British sailors were in Iranian waters when they were seized.

Despite the diplomatic back and forth, it has only been over the last couple of days that there has been any kind of noticeable reaction to the incident in the Iranian media and on the streets of Tehran. Iran been in the midst of a holiday period – celebrating the Persian New Year – so a lot of people have been out of town, and most of the newspapers have not been printing over the holidays.

It was only earlier this week that I asked my barber, Reza Amini, what he though about the arrest of the sailors and he answered, "Fifteen British sailors have been arrest in Iran? Oh my God, does this mean trouble?"

Now everybody is talking about it.

Top of news now
The first few days after the detention, Iranian newscasts made it their third or fourth report, with minor ministry officials making statements. Now it’s the main story on the news here and President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, senior ministers and powerful politicians have all made statements defending Iran’s position.

Ahmadinejad told state TV, "Britain should apologize for entering Iranian waters illegally." He also went on to say that Britain has made a media fuss out of the issue instead of dealing with it diplomatically.

Ali Larijani, the secretary of the Supreme National Security Council (SNSC) told state television, "We had decided to release the lady in the group, but with the political ballyhoo by London, this decision will for the time being be suspended."

Larijani expressed Iran’s displeasure with Britain for taking the issue to the U.N. Security Council, bypassing bilateral talks.

"We are not in the Stone Age … we can easily use Global Positioning Systems to clarify together whether the soldiers were on the Iranian or Iraq side (of the Arvand river)," said Larijani. He added that the British stance would not help to settle the issue, and warned that if it did not change, "then Iran would adopt another course, as well."

Mixed reaction on Tehran’s streets
As the diplomatic rhetoric escalated, the mood on the streets of Tehran is mixed.

Mona Mashaya, a university student, said "If the soldiers were in Iraq waters they should be released, but I’m sure they were not. I’m sure they were spying. The British are always meddling in Iran’s affairs; they have done a lot more harm to Iran than America ever has."

Some have expressed fear that the heightened rhetoric on both sides could create a larger crisis. "The British probably did violate Iranian water," said Jila, a retired teacher. "But this dispute has all the hallmarks of escalating into something much more serious and I just hope it is resolved quickly and peacefully."

Still others are insisting that the British are likely responsible for a violation of state sovereignty and should be held accountable. "If the British sailors are found to have entered Iranian waters illegally, then they should be tried according to international law, as anyone else would be who illegally enters another country’s borders," said Elham Safi, a manager one of Tehran’s hospitals.

In 2004, when a similar incident took place, the seized British servicemen were released within three days. But the government in Tehran at the time was very different and harbored less animosity toward the West.

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Adele, you should be thankful you are in a country where you can speak your mind freely as you have done. Even if the things that come out of your head are moronic! The female officer was made to where a black hood moron.
I wish those 15 British soldiers a safe return. And when they do come back, the Brits should pound Tehran into the ground.
The Iranians are just seizing this opportunity to rattle Britain's cage. They're like the little boy in the back of the class jumping up and down waivng his hand wanting the teacher to recognize him. This will all die down in a week or 2 and Iran will release them in a gesture of good will. Of course, after the sailors are safe, one of Iran's latest ships will have have an "accident". - NOT! Britain doesn't have the guts to do it.
who even cares where they were they need to be wiped off the face of the earth they strap bombs on their kids and send them into iraq. the only way to deal with fanatics is to get rid of them. If that means ww3 so be it we will win.
Iran is behaving like a spoilt child in this matter. They were trying to show off and they made a mistake. Now they can't admit it. The sailors have been there every day doing exactly the same job for the U.N. for several years. Why were they any threat on this particular day? Iran knew they weren't any threat and they kidnapped them.
I think we should nuke'm
Hey, have you ever been to Gitmo? How do you know they do that kind of stuff there. And why would the British marines and sailors need to go into Iranian waters anyway? There's nothing there except for fish and I don't see how you can spy on a country while being miles in the sea. If you could spy from there you could also spy from Iraqi waters. And Iran doesn't have any conclusive proof that the Brits entered their waters. The apologies by the soldiers sound phone anyways - they're probably being forced to say that stuff.
the one thing everybody seems to skip over is incursions into other countries happened all the time and have happend all the time. US & Canadian airforce planes used to intercept Soviet Bombers inside Canadian/US/Norad airspace. You show up, wiggle your wings and escort the interloper back were they came from. Nato/US Ships and submarines would creep towards China, N.Korea and the old USSR. Bump in the night, give a loud ping and send them home. The last time a beligerent nation seized Navy personel was 1964 - "Three North Vietnamese PT boats attack USS Maddox (DD-731) in international waters in Gulf of Tonkin. Maddox sinks one." Then war broke out for about 7 years...
Ok, I'll wait until the location evidence is produced before I say if the British were in Iranian or Iraqi waters.... But I won't wait to say it has been a JOKE how the Iranians have been parading the British around on TV and putting our "their" letters. I've seen more convincing stuff in Dollar Store ads... They are showing me they are in the wrong, just by their media show.
Folks once again the middle east is showing you just what a backwards place that it is, and why we need to be there, for now and for a long time to come. Visit the State Department web site that shows eye opening statistics on literacy in that part of the world (and others), and per capita income. And begin to understand that others in the world deserve the same opportunity & quality of life that you have, and that it's our leadership in the world that will make it happen. AND it's in YOUR best interest, and YOUR CHILDREN"S best interest that the rest of the world be a decent place to live. America, democracy and personal liberty do not survive in a vacuum: http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/ Wake up. Smell the roses, before you run into the thorns.
Leave it to the left sided media to wrap the Iranian story in "sympathy" - can you image if the US or UK paraded prisoners and had them write letters to the media apologizing? If this doesn't show the hypocrasy of MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, etc. than what will? It's an insult to our common and good sense. Wake up America - these Iranians are bad news and don't count on the media to expose it. Count on them to apologize.
from Adele (Sent Friday, March 30, 2007 3:44 PM) Hey Macho guys, did any of you take a moment to ask IF, JUST IF,the British did violate Iran's sovereignty and enter the Iranian part of the waterway? These Brits should be thankful they are not captured by the Americans otherwise they would be in Gitmo, naked, piled up in a pyramid, black hoods on their heads, hung upside down with electric wires hooked to their testies. WAIT UNTIL ALL EVIDENCE IS PRESENTED BEFORE YOU JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS. British government must be really scared that is why they go to U.N. and E.U. instead of direct bilateral talks about the incident. Hey Adele, they have the proof, DUH, you think they would go to the UN or EU if they didn't...come on, stop blaming the good guys or is taht just your typical agenda. Sounds to me you are the one jumping to conclusions.
The Uk could also just be saying that the sailors where in iraqi waters just to make it appear as if the Iranians were evil for keeping them captive, even so who cares if they were in their waters they should just give them back to avoid looking terrible first of all and because because of the possibility of it being a mistake.
Hi all, I believe Iran is threatening captives or captives are afraid to be abused so they are making such statements. Obviously if Iran does not free those servicemen and servicewomen than Iran will surely face the british music.
Dear Adele, Thank god you are not in presidential race. Anyway going to Iran for bi-lateral talks is to say OK we did wrong and let us both sort this out together. Thus no offence but you are politically weak and novice. I truly believe that Iran is asking for trouble and if british troops entered Iran waters than it could have been to prevent Iraq intruders from using sea. Again Iran itself has set a stage to be isolated with sanctions and also to face the hard british music.
With all the Iranian leaders have done and are doing to destabilize the Middle East it is a wonder that they haven't been taken to task by the U.N. In Iran under Sharia law a teenage girl was imprisoned three times for being raped and the fourth time they hung her, executed her! They arm the insurgents and any other organization that will add to the problems, such as Hezbollah. Each time this problem is brought up in the U.N., China and Russia stop heavy sanction against them. Iran is run by an Ayatollah. A mentally deficient old man! Maybe he is right and we should change the laws in the U.S. so we can hang sixteen year old girls who have been raped! Go ahead blame the U.S., Britain and any other country for what they do! I can't wait until tjey use the Nuclear weapon the Russians and Chinese are helping them to build! Can you?
Let us just start with the worst possible scenario and assume the British craft was 0.5KM beyond the nautical division of Iraqi and Iranian waters as Iran now claims. The craft they were in could hardly be called a warship, and we are not talking about some tactical vessel or a covert operation (no mini-sub here). This was a deployed craft from a "large" military vessel that everyone who cared to see, could. The operations they were conducting were certainly not "new", nor secret. In short, everyone in the region who had even the slightest interest knew these guys were there, how long they had been, who directed their actions, and why. As such, following the original assumption, at the very most, normal encroachment of this kind involves contacting the vessel, directing them to halt and to verify their location and purpose, to be followed by a show of force "if" the vessel maneuvers or makes other actions that would logically be deemed hostile. A complaint on the international level might then be submitted thereafter to say the UN and the UK, and then made very public to news media to ensure it was not ignored. Since that did not happen this capture of the British was obviously deliberate, and certainly not attempting to stop a trespasser or immediate or unknown threat. Whether or not this was a fully calculated plan on a national level, or simply opportunists taking a shot and the government being unwilling (or just uncertain how) to dissolve the ordeal is uncertain. What is certain, however, is with the event now a week old, the Iranian government is acting more like terrorists with hostages (no consul, releasing propaganda letters and videos of the captives) than like a civilized nation state. Unfortunately, the photo from Iran I saw today of a regular civilian on a corner with a sign asking for the execution of of the captives leads me to a harrowing conclusion. It seems the fundamental differences in western and hardliner Islamic attitude (more so than faith) sit at the heart of this standoff. On one end of the spectrum, if Iran gives up all the captives today, and call it a misunderstanding, the rest of the world will have to concede that was far better than they expected, giving Iran some leverage and/or credibility. On the other far end of the spectrum, Iran could be a pseudo macro-martyr of hardliner Islam, pushing and pushing until a military conflict breaks out. Even if the country as we know it was totally destroyed, it would in their view be a great victory, only serving to radicalize even more in the region and push the west and the east further apart. If this is not a "no-lose" situation for Iran, it is still certainly a "no-win" situation for western democracy.
WOW Adele,You speak a truth and it hurts
I have two points to make: POINT 1. An apt comparison is when the US spy aircraft was forced to land on a Chinese airforce base back in 2001. I was surprised at how well Bush handled the situation - but more to the point - I don't remember any the Chinese showing any embarrassing videos of american soldiers probably because they had none and they made no effort to obtain any. Anyway I thought the situation was handled well by both sides. POINT 2: This sounds like the Gulf of Tomkin - only it looks like the Iranians are looking for a pretext to start a conflict!!! not the US or British.
It seems to me that Iran is doing all it can to start a military confrontation.I find it very sad that the original location of the Brits capture was revised to a location inside Iranian waters.Does that not seem suspicious?They have thumbed thier nose at the world.Diplomacy seems to mean their way or no way.They are setting the stage for a full scale conflict.
Hey Adele, if you come down south to Alabama I'll pile you up in a pyramid, naked,black hood on your head, hand you upside down on a wooden cross with electric wires on your nipples, then you can ponder ALL the evidence you want while I drag you down a dirt road until YOUR nothing but a bloody bone. And after Im done Ill wipe my ass on a nice big Iranian flag for you:)
Where I come from you don't start something unless you can back up your actions,If I were the British gov't I'd be giving a 48 hr notice and ultimatem telling them immediate action will follow with full u.s. support after 24 hrs I'd begin dropping informational pamphlets to their civilians to take cover,Lets not forget these people harrassed the aviation industry of the free world for decades,and they currently provide safe haven to the likes of the people who destroyed our Twin Towers and are currently still kicking sand in our face wondering if we'll ever develop a backbone!!!
Had the British Marines appeared on TV and apologized for the wrong doing in favor of the Iran government and public are so low. Hell, I would say the same thing if I am in a lifethreatening situation knowing what the enemy wants to hear and would release me. Iran government just need to light up and stop playing a hard game before they have no one to govern but the cave in the mountain.
Western liberals are showing their stripes by rushing to the defense of the Iranians. I am not surprised, just disgusted with predictably self-loathing Western liberals.
With all the satillites in the sky, you might think there would be at least one PHOTOGRAPH that someone could make public showing exactly where they were when they were ambushed....
Lol what the hell is that woman on about spying!! Haha if us brits really wanted to spy I think we wouldn’t uses our arm forces we would use MI6 or MI5 the people who are trained for that and would never get court in the act. Plus it’s a little boat with 15 people. Its not like a huge cruiser entered their water then I will understand the fuss but this is getting silly.
So Iran has a right to make a public spectacle of "trespassers" ? Put two and two together, the message they are sending is one of defiance and intent. This Iran is intent on becoming a military regime capable of forcing itself into Iraq through a religious war backed with a nuclear weapon to keep everyone else at bay. I doubt any power move in the region will end until the fabled caliphate is again in power over all islam. It will not be a pretty sight as the minority murders its way into power. Then who's next?
Hey I don't see what the problem is with Iran they need to be more like the US, Illegal immigrants are very welcome in this country. Hey you want to come here illegally ok and you want all the benefits, ok you want your children to go to our schools ok, so I really don't know what the big deal is with Iran. So I guess they don't need cheap labor at this time to build their nuke which will probaby kill us all in the future.
If it would have been 15 US Sailors detained then we would be doing more than expressing "grave concern". Those Brits need to get in there and take their sailors back.
There is no point in bilateral talks with an outlaw regime. This is the Iranian president who claims the Holocaust never occured. He says Israel should be wiped off the map. Delusion prevails. Now the Iranians are picking on a girl, as evidenced by Faye Turney's three coerced letters.
The kidnapping of these 15 British soliders is typical of the ruthless tactics used by the clerical regime of Iran. The fanatical leadership in Tehran does not think as Westernerns do and revile every aspect of Western civilization. Remember this is a country that still stones women to death for adultery, hangs teenagers and pregnant women in public for flouting Islamic laws, whips people in public for frivolous infractions of Sharia law and forces women to wear portable prisons in public. They have already forced the female British solider to wear the hijab. This is how much the mullahs respect people of other faiths in the world. The fanatical leadership of Iran wants a final showdown with the West to defeat their arch enemy America. This heinous act was done purposely because of the sanctions being leveled against the mullahs for their refusal to suspend enrichment of uranium. Now if Iran behaves like this because they are pissed off over sanctions, imagine how they'll behave with a NUCLEAR BOMB. Wake up!
It is time for the British to send in 007 James Bond on a rescue mission with full U.S. military air and sea support.
Quite frankly if anyone says anything poistive about Iran then they are either stupid or part of that lying regime. It is time to destroy Iran's 1 (count em, one) refinery and to blockade their water ways. Lets see how long AchmaHitler stays in power then. It is also time for all forward thinking countries to leave the U.N. With countries like Russia and China (2 of the largest countries with the heaviest ties to Iran)having a veto it is obvious that nothing will ever be done to punish this runaway state of Iran.
Lucky I'm not in charge, Mr. Amadamnutjob would already be surveying the destruction of a first wave attack and waiting for the next one.
Hey Adele, did you take a moment to ask IF, JUST IF, the British treated people who violated their borders the same way? They would be blasted as bigots by liberals like yourself. Go ahead and defend Iran, lets just hope it is not your hometown that is nuked by a bomb made in Iran.
I dont suggest that the Iranians should be scared to protect its sovereignty, but with regard to the tensions in the area..it might have been wise to "capture and release" to prevent unnecessary escalation. The Iranian leaderships stance/position against the West is well understood around the world. They should be the "bigger nation"..otherwise they will act tough like Sadam did and eventually get their ass kicked..
No one is jumping to conclusions. The evidence has been presented by both sides, and the Iranians had to try twice to come up with a chart that shows the incident in their waters. And going to the UN doesn't mean their gov't is scared. It is what you do when talk runs in circles.
Some one correctly said that we are not living in a stone age. Were Brits in Iranian water can easily be verified? Still Blair should settle the issue through bilateral talke rather than involving U.N. or EU and complicating the issue. If he has ulterior motives against Iran, like it had about Iraq before invading it,then he is on the right path.
For one, i think the west might have been a "little" bit patience with Arab hardliners. News flash: just when ahmadinejad takes the office, some hostages that was held on iranian soil aknowledged him as one of their chief captor. We are talking about senseless, brainless, protein taker president who are known to be violent. Just when the world want them to stop their "weapon" nuclear program, ahmadinejad did what he knows best.. become a terrorist, held people against their will, and demand ludicrus things. For one, i still dont understand what make britons not demand their sailor with force. Violent president and violent culture only knows and respect FORCE. Send british mighty royal navy warships to gulf and demand the return within 48 hours.. or else.. Learn what force could do when diplomacy falls into deaf ears just like in Black Hawk down inccident. "Bring back our blackhawk pilot, or else".
If the British took the Israeli stance of not negotiating with terrorists. Iran might learn something (Probably Not). When the Iranian Hizballah kidnaped Israeli soldiers, Israel leveled South Lebonon. Now it is Irans turn, then Siera. The problem will be solved for a few years.
Without debating the merits of the detention or the historically disputed maritime boundary, all should agree that displaying prisoners as a public curiousity is wholly unacceptable. This treatment leads to an obvious conclusion... the crisis was planned as another Iranian attempt to display "power." Just as Carter should not have allowed the U.S. Embassy to be held for 444 days, Blair should not allow the Iranians to dictate the outcome of this emerging crisis. At its core, Iran is a fragile third-world nation. If they intend to continue fomenting radicalism and refuse to join a normalized international discourse, then it will necessary to further isolate them and possibly seek punitive measures in the form of increased economic sanctions and/or military action. As a side note, I find it appalling that China and Russia balked at a stronger U.N. Security Council statement. It is obvious that they continue to place political and financial interests ahead of basic human rights. (To those who oppose the Bush Administration... please do not attempt to compare our President with the regimes in Russia and China.)
Hey Mr Macho, So there were mistakes made in Gitmo.Big deal lets get over that (solderiers have been punished for ther actions) and lets start thinking about the problem really is. Apparently you are on their side (Irans That is). The Navy has safisticated GPS equipment. I believe Iran is just looking for ways to make the Britons look like the bad guys here. Name, Rank, serial number is all the Britons should tell their captures.
gps says it all. And Iran,.... whats new?
The British should launch a tactical Nuclear Strike into Tahran, take out the leaders and not apologize but rather say oops, we thought it was Iraq. It's time America and Britain stop being bullied by the school yard whimps and bleeding hearts in both countries. War has cusualties and when a weaker country decides they can do as the feel fit by allowing terrorist attacks and support to take place the government and yes..it's civilians could become casualties of that arrogance and rhetoric.
Hey Adele the evidence was given by both the Brits and the Iranians it showd the ship in Iraqui waters. Till the Iranians saw that the were making fools of themseves and changed the GPS numbers to match what their claims were.The Iranins told the truth once in all this and they changed back to a lie.They did not mean to tell the truth it was an accidend and will be more carefuil in the future.As for the U.S. capturing and treatment of prisoners, you are right putting a hood over their faces is much worse than say cutting off their heads. those mutalated bodies found around iraq must be our soldiers too..What planet are you from ? the Brits are doing the U.N. and E.U. dance so people like you don't get on their case about the rush to judgement and the we have not negotiated enough.And i believe it is people like yourself that want the U.N. involved , well their involved. maybe we won't end up with another Jimmy carter mess so it might not take 444 days to get them back.
The government in Iran has shown time and again that it is irrational, incompetent, and has no place in the modern world. There actions in creating this crisis show their true colors. If, the Brits were, in fact, in Iranian waters, Iran had many other options to deal peacefully with the situation. They could easily have escorted the Brits out of their waters and worked with Britain and/or the international community to ensure it didn't happen again. This would have been the responsible course of action. Instead they chose a course that, if they continue along, could be considered an act of war (e.g. detaining armed forces of another nation and not following the Geneva Convensions to boot). The Iranian government and their ruling mullahs need to get with the program and become responsible world citizens or they need to be replaced.
Adele...how's the Kool Aid?
Here's the evidence: Iran said they were in Iraqi waters. The initial position Iran reported placed the crew well within Iraqi borders. The problem is, that initial position was true...once it was found out to be within Iraqi lines, Iran then changed the position where they seized the boat by miles. Clearly, they are lying. They can't even get their own story straight. What possible reason would ANYONE have to believe them, when they don't even believe themselves?
If the Iranians think they can out muscle the rest of the world bring it on! I think they just want to taunt someone into testing their military might, it wouldn't be much of a test. They talk alot but are afraid to wear a military uniform. It's sad the way the middle eastern country's have to hide behind civilian dress to fight their wars. Someday they will realize what it means to respect one another as human beings, but their religion will probably not allow it.
There is a very old philosophy about one bad apple, ruins the enitre bushell. The Muslim people want the west to accept them and respect them as equals, or they will cut your head off. But, they are driving on a one way street. This issue with the 15 citizens of Britian, being held for possibly violating international law, by possibly a few hundred yards, to maybe even a mile, is simple prejudice on the part of middle eastern philisophy and their attitude toward the west. How many example of Muslim fueled terroism does the world need before we draw a line in the sand, and stand up and fight? We are not infidels, we are cowards, afraid that one or two western corporations will get hurt. The issue here is not international water, its Muslims vs. Western Culture. They do not believe in equality, and we do. Are we willing to crush those who oppose us? Or wait until they are able to crush us?


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