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Top of the news in Tehran

Posted: Friday, March 30, 2007 2:03 PM
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It’s been a week since the 15 British sailors and marines were seized by Iran and not much has been resolved. The British still insist that their personnel were in Iraqi waters when they were detained, and the Iranians are still arguing to the contrary.

The British have released GPS data that they say shows they did not violate Iranian waters, but Tehran has video footage and charts it says shows that the British sailors were in Iranian waters when they were seized.

Despite the diplomatic back and forth, it has only been over the last couple of days that there has been any kind of noticeable reaction to the incident in the Iranian media and on the streets of Tehran. Iran been in the midst of a holiday period – celebrating the Persian New Year – so a lot of people have been out of town, and most of the newspapers have not been printing over the holidays.

It was only earlier this week that I asked my barber, Reza Amini, what he though about the arrest of the sailors and he answered, "Fifteen British sailors have been arrest in Iran? Oh my God, does this mean trouble?"

Now everybody is talking about it.

Top of news now
The first few days after the detention, Iranian newscasts made it their third or fourth report, with minor ministry officials making statements. Now it’s the main story on the news here and President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, senior ministers and powerful politicians have all made statements defending Iran’s position.

Ahmadinejad told state TV, "Britain should apologize for entering Iranian waters illegally." He also went on to say that Britain has made a media fuss out of the issue instead of dealing with it diplomatically.

Ali Larijani, the secretary of the Supreme National Security Council (SNSC) told state television, "We had decided to release the lady in the group, but with the political ballyhoo by London, this decision will for the time being be suspended."

Larijani expressed Iran’s displeasure with Britain for taking the issue to the U.N. Security Council, bypassing bilateral talks.

"We are not in the Stone Age … we can easily use Global Positioning Systems to clarify together whether the soldiers were on the Iranian or Iraq side (of the Arvand river)," said Larijani. He added that the British stance would not help to settle the issue, and warned that if it did not change, "then Iran would adopt another course, as well."

Mixed reaction on Tehran’s streets
As the diplomatic rhetoric escalated, the mood on the streets of Tehran is mixed.

Mona Mashaya, a university student, said "If the soldiers were in Iraq waters they should be released, but I’m sure they were not. I’m sure they were spying. The British are always meddling in Iran’s affairs; they have done a lot more harm to Iran than America ever has."

Some have expressed fear that the heightened rhetoric on both sides could create a larger crisis. "The British probably did violate Iranian water," said Jila, a retired teacher. "But this dispute has all the hallmarks of escalating into something much more serious and I just hope it is resolved quickly and peacefully."

Still others are insisting that the British are likely responsible for a violation of state sovereignty and should be held accountable. "If the British sailors are found to have entered Iranian waters illegally, then they should be tried according to international law, as anyone else would be who illegally enters another country’s borders," said Elham Safi, a manager one of Tehran’s hospitals.

In 2004, when a similar incident took place, the seized British servicemen were released within three days. But the government in Tehran at the time was very different and harbored less animosity toward the West.

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WHEN YOU CHOOSE TO JOIN THE MILITARY THERE ARE ISSUES THIS IS JUST WHAT IRAN WANTS BLEEDING HEARTS
The seizing of the British sailors and marines is a total joke, and is making the Iranians look like fools in front of the civilized world. Even the chart they produced depicted the cargo ship and UK boarding team in Iraqi waters. As for the UK team members, what ever happened to name, rank and serial number? That was something that is drilled into every recruit. As a 6 year US Navy veteran of the Vietnam era, I know it was drilled into us, day in and day out.
just maybe, just maybe the brits government is like the us, sometime's our leaders tend to stray from the truth. Food for thought, maybe it's not always the other country that is so bad and lies all the time
I wish the British luck in their negotiations with the Iranian government. The last time the U.S. government had to "negotiate" for the release of hostages held by Iran that took 444 days!!! Iran relishes thumbing it's nose at western diplomats.
So I guess Iran is so scared of 15 British marines being able to topple there governemnt. Wow. pretty weak Iran. It is time to get off the Oil standard and start buying the Honda Hydrogen cars.
Its high time that countries like China and Russia unite with the west and corner Iran with sanctions. I have no clue as what Iran's PM is thinking but I feel it is stage put up by the Iranians and trying to blackmail the west with its bullying nature.
Hey Macho guys, did any of you take a moment to ask IF, JUST IF,the British did violate Iran's sovereignty and enter the Iranian part of the waterway? These Brits should be thankful they are not captured by the Americans otherwise they would be in Gitmo, naked, piled up in a pyramid, black hoods on their heads, hung upside down with electric wires hooked to their testies. WAIT UNTIL ALL EVIDENCE IS PRESENTED BEFORE YOU JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS. British government must be really scared that is why they go to U.N. and E.U. instead of direct bilateral talks about the incident.
While the US and Britain are certainly not above reproach, keep in mind that it is Iran that has: - questioned the historicity of the holocaust, - promised to release the female sailor and reneged on that promise not because of the sailor's actions/intentions, etc but because Iran doesn't like how the British government has responded (who is politicizing now?) - originally declared the captives to have been in Iraqi waters then changed their location to make it in Iranian waters, - parades captives on TV in violation of international law, - refused consular contact between Britain and the captives, - and released "letters" that, even if legitimate are in appropriate and are almost certainly coerced. Even if Turney held the positions indicated in those letters, there's almost zero chance she'd humiliate her own country by publicly declaring it in such a way.
Jeff, Morehyead ky: you are right they held our people for 444 days. that was ubder spineless Pres.Carter. But they did release them the day of Pres. Regan's start in office. They new that a hardline President was in office and did not want to deal with a real man.When they mine the waters around Iran his response was sink their navy. The love the let's talk game they love to fight by proxy but this may be their undoing. Their call not the British. This does not look goo for the mula's but being men of religion i am sure they will do what is best for their innocent population. This is all stuff that as time goes by is forgotten but never forgiven. This is the second time they kidnap Brits and they realy are nobody to mess with this is just what their people need to bring them together behind their government. It wont be before those people start screaming for blood. And once again we will play the U.N. game and we will end up in another mess but do we dare refuse ? god help the innocent Iranians and god bless those soldiers.
Well thank God we have the good ol UN on the job. Their statement of "Grave concern" will certainly lead to a speedy resolution of this crisis. I guess the next time I hear of the border runners from Mexico complaining, we outta suggest they step one foot over line into Iran. Now those guys know the definition of border security...LOL
Its time we stop this thumbing of the nose at us, all they want is War well lets give it to them.
I think the U.S. should put a little pressure on Iran as well. After all the British are our allies, and are helping us with Iraq the least we could do is help them out.
Why don't these people act like they are grown up? Iranians should have sent the Brits on their way with a warning, and filed a protest thru diplomatic channels. National waters are advertantly/inadvertantly violated all the time with just a 'turn around, go home' attitude. How foolish.
Simple solution..UN passes Resolution.. then writes them a letter requesting their release.... Iran will be sweating like Elton John waiting for his test results!
even if the Britsh did cross the line, it should have been a simple hour or 2 of questions then released.
What happened to the tradition of captured soldiers giving only their name, rank and serial number to their captors? Prisoners of war have the duty to resist being used as propaganda tools. I regret any hardships they may be enduring as prisoners, but if their coerced words are used to escalate hostilities, further inflame the hatred of of the Middle East for the West, and provoke a war, many more will suffer.
This has all the markings of a ruse to downplay or derail the recently imposed U.N. economic sanctions. I'd be more likely to think that the Britons were about to find something REALLY interesting on one of those boats. And the poor, mistreated, innocent Iranians with all their posturings have nothing to hide. Yeah, right.
The Iranians have changed their grid coordinates twice already. The first was determined to still be in Iraqi water, so they said they "made a mistake" and then resubmit info on a second set of grid coordinates putting the British in Iranian Water. Wake up people! It's not about being patriotic or even leaning towards the liberal side of international politics...this is about a government that claims the holocaust never took place, wants to wipe Israel of the face of the earth, and continues to laugh in the UN's face about nuclear weapons. It's time for countries to line up on each side (i.e-hate filled muslim nations vs. the civilized world) and let's settle this once and for all. Bush should have handled Iran first before even thinking of Iraq.
The sailors were obviously forced to write those letters. If you can't tell just by reading them, notice how none of them say, " Hey mom, I'm doing ok, don't worry.", or "I love you honey, hope to see you soon.". It's all political retoric. Do you really think those sailors are thinking about politics at a time like this? No, they're thinking about going home. The British have been patrolling those waters for some time now. This is obviously a planned situation caused by Iranian Government. And SPYING!? Give me a break, how to you spy on a foreign nation 100 miles off their coast in RUBBER BOATS!
Come on, you cant ignore 2 things: 1) The Iranians were either incompetent or duplicitous when they gave their "own" coordinates of the vessel that were inside IRAQUI waters. 2) Does anyone really believe an armed services member would wilfully start questioning their countries policies and capitulate to an enemies viewpoints which make their government/employer look bad without SOME FORM of coerscion? While we are at it: Since when, under international law, has it been acceptable to ambush and abduct foreign service members 500 meters inside your terretorial waters (which they were not). The correct/diplomatic/customary/legal course of action is to warn the encroaching vessel that they are in your terretorial waters. These Brits were very OBVIOUSLY ambushed to be caught unawares. The abduction was premeditated and the captives are being used as political chips. I further dont understand some of the bleeding heart apologists who have used every last breath in their lungs to decry the LACK of inclusion of the UN in foreign policies and actions and have vocally admonished ANY unilateral or bilateral response who now claim that UN invovlement is a mistake! You cant have it both ways. And could someone PLEASE explain how Iran apologists can wilfully ignore the fact that the Brits were operating under UN mandate OF WHICH IRAN IS A MEMBER AND ENDORSED and conducting non-combative operations in the best interests of most every law abiding individual/state?
I don't think Iran understands the game it's playing. Humilation and degradation of the powers you want to help you won't work in the long run. Those videos are what terrorists and thugs do. Do they really want us to bomb them? Do they, and here I mean the people, want to be bombed?(I certainly hope for the quick and safe return of the 15). Interesting, though, to think that the Iranian people and we Americans probably have something in common, in that our governments are taking us down dangerous paths with repercussions no one wants to think about.
GITMO & Abu Girab are extreme examples, but the soldiers are fighting against an enemy that videotapes the 'decaptitation' of thier victims -- so the comparison is not very profoound after all. Everyone seems to have forgotton about Mike Spann and how he was the first U.S. combat death in Afghanistan. He was 'bitten' to death by Taliban who had already expressed a willingness to surrender. Those are the kind of enemies we face everywhere in the world today -- so what if our tactics stink? I think the rest of the world is both surprised & depressed that America hasn't curled it's tail between it's legs & run away yet. I say to England that they should be strong, fair and present the facts as they are to the U.N. And as for Iran... if you don't care for sanctions, well in the end you'll just get what you deserve.
I guess the British don't have a code of conduct for their military to follow. If you don't know what it is, google it.
It's time to nuke Iran into a parking lot and make those animals submit just like we did the Japs.
The Iranians are fools!..the movie 300 will show you that. So now it's 15, maybe they will do better this time.
Well, Iran want to tell the world that they are biggest fool. And this what happen when you don't have good leadership. Leader in IRAN want to rewrite most recent history...for say last 50 yrs...hmmm strange as a nation
Adele - You are obviously anti-American! And, anti-truth as well! I personally don't think much of anyone with such a small mind to think such garbage...Why don't you go and live with those UNCIVILIZED animals if you think they are more capable of telling the truth!
Adele, It's hard to believe Iran now, when they, themselves, first gave the British Prime Minister coordinates well within Iraqi waters. Get real. It’s a done deal. Sorry, you have lost faith in the British. I, for one, know whom I believe.
Bombs Away
Hey Adele, why don't you get a first-class ticket to your "friends" in Iran since you're so quick to defend their position; or do YOU have all the evidence. Your kind of viewpoint makes me lurch. Have a great day.
People, according to U.N. regulations, even if they DID cross into Iranian waters (which I believe they didn't, the Iranians are LYING just like they are LYING about their nuke program) they were to be escorted OUT of Iranian waters UNDER THEIR OWN POWER AND ON THEIR OWN VESSEL, NOT CAPTURED. Let this nation of cowardly terrorists attempt this with America fighting men and women, and the Iranian Navy will find themselves looking for new boats FAST. I say we do what we SHOULD have done in the seventies and pacify Iran. PERMANENTLY. Their president is insane (or grossly brain-damaged), their government is not much brighter, and their military is comprised of fanatic lunatics fit enough foran al-Qaeda company picnic. Why should the world suffer from Iran's desire to rule it? How many of us want to sacrifice our freedoms in exchange for "peace in our time"? And why haven't the Brits told Iran they have 48 hours to release the captured servicemen and women UNHARMED or prepare to taste the world's wrath? Oh, wait, I know: the only "politically correct" way to respond to this situation is to surrender. After all, doesn't France want everyone to be like them?
Evidence, Adele? You mean the coordinates that Iran originally presented, which actually proved that they HADN'T entered Iranian waters? Or perhaps the second set of coordinates, submitted later, which were way off from the first set, and nowhere near where GPS placed both the UK ship and the ship they were inspecting?? This is the Embassy Hostage Crisis all over again. Just goes to show that Iran, under the control of some of the same people who perpetrated that earlier hostage fiasco, is now no better than al-Qaeda. They'll stoop to anything to get their way.
The word for the Iranian action is kidnapping, a crime in most parts of the world, but one that the Mullahs in Iran have enjoyed considerable success with in the past (compliments of the former unlamented President Carter). It is time to put a stop to this nonsense. It wouldn't happen in a world where the Security Council was anything more than the international joke that it is. The Brits deserve our support in taking whatever action they deem appropriate to protect their citizens from the actions of rogue states. Appeasement doesn't work (can you say "Munich" in the 30's or Tehran in the 70's). Citizens acting legally at the behest of the nation state they serve should demand the protection of that state---else what is it good for?
What I'm not hearing are the plea's from the human rights specialists about the Geneva Convention. Here is a case for that rule of war but in this case it's them and not us on the working end of the stick. Why is that? terrorist don't rate the Convention. Uniformed Soldiers, Sailors and Airmen do.
Iran is using this to nationalize the public. The public has been crucial of it's leaders lately.
When I see or hear comments that SUGGEST that anyone should take the word of a bunch of inbred imbaciles from a third world country that wants to dominate the world with their religeous bigotry, and pre-historic value system I become concerned... One of the previous comments makes accusations that imply that free governments (US and England)would lie about the location of the British sailors who are now having their rights violated by a government known for their backing of terrorists for more than thirty years is astounding to say the least! In addition, these same jerks are ignoring the Geneva Convention and it's requirements. Obviously this individual has been watching too much of the 'View' and Rosie 'O' and also posesses the same low mentality! I am also concerned at the lack of condemnation from other Free Country's and don't understand why Iran hasn't been kicked out of the United Nations itself and boycotted by every country that finds their activities to be uncivilized!
Hey Adele - what if the Brits were in Iranian waters? Do you not hold the Iranian gov't accountable for parading them on TV? If the Brits were in Iranian waters, they should have been escorted out, just like the Chinese sub which was found in Japanese waters. Of course, in that case, you probably would side with the Chinese. Loser.
"The British sailors and marines were here. Oh, wait. That means they were in Iraqi waters where they were supposed to be. Oops. In that case, they were way over HERE. Yeah, that's it.....way over here, on another part of the map." How embarrassing it is to watch the inept attempt to stir up trouble through kidnapping and blackmail. Iran should take a good long look at the condition of Lebanon before snatching anymore soldiers for political ransom.
Brinksmanship, don't hear the term much lately, but a lot of people, on both sides are playing the game. The Brits were probably pushing the envelope and accidently crossed the line. But, that is what they are paid for. When one exceeds the envelope there is a price to pay. Or the other side could be trying their hand at brinksmanship. Let's just pray cooler heads will prevail.
The USA is the only nation to use a nuke in anger, so why do we think we have the moral 'high ground' to tell Iran that they cannot have one? Whatever. The Iranians are being petulent children, but I understand why. It's not like Condoleeza Rice knows how to be diplomatic or anything! Nobody responds well to being ordered...especially the USA! Why is my government such a hypocrite?
The notion that they sailor were spying is ridiculous. The were caught red handed fulfilling a UN mandate for petes sake. Just how are sailor in a rubber dingy "spying" from miles off shore? Iran is misjudging in a manner that Saddam misjudged.
How about we take Iran' suggestion through the letters they are forcing the Marines to write. We pack our bags and leave and let them all destroy themselves. Iran has again "AGAIN" proven how irate and pathetic they really are. Maybe self destruction is what there isolated world as well as the rest of the world needs.
At this point it does not matter whether or not the UK sailors entered Iranian waters. In it's typical backwards and primitive ways, Iran has presented itself as the weak and meager child. Capture soldiers that may/may not have entered your territory? Fine. However, when they decide to parade them around and release TV video footage to the world of a supposed "confession of guilt", they do nothing but confirm just how maniacal and foolish they really are. If you claim to part of (and want to be treated as such) a civilized world body, act like it. Address the issue at hand with class and tact. Instead Iran has showcased and highlighted again for the world its inability to be taken seriously. Prop the capture "enemy" up on state run TV and make a spectacle of the entire situation. This seems to the way in the Arab world - capture an enemy, make a video of them getting their head chopped off (or dragged through the streets, mutilated and beaten), then condemn the western world for their "sins and savagery" while claiming Islam is a "religion of peace". Oh, and let's not forget the last step: Sit back and watch the bleeding heart PC liberals in America think they can actually "understand" and "engage in bilateral talks" with us while we plot and scheme to kill even more of them. Fools.
All the comments I hear on the newa about this issue are so biased aqainst Iran. Even if the Iranians present a lot of evidence, we will never believe them. It is like when your child hits someelse's child. You would say my child didn't do it, even if alot of eye witnesses saw him do it.The iranians were convicted before they could prove they were innocent.I guess we will never know the truth.Probably, we don't want to.
Americans know as much about Iran as it's media lets it - Very Little. Iran DOES have the right to Nuclear technology and it also has the right to protest against the state of Israel. Lets face it, if Iran really is secretly supplying Iraqi insurgents with weapons and ammo, there as worthy of contempt as the United States is during the Genocide of the Native American,The Vietnam War, The Cuban Missle Crisis, The Chilean Military Coup, The North Korean Campaign, The Soviet/Afghan war (way to go Rambo, train the Taliban!) The Massacre of El Salvado... pretty much every decade it's been in existence. Oh, and capturing and feeding / clothing / looking after British soldiers is a far cry from a sentence wearing an orange jumpsuit and shackles for the rest of your life. Land of the free, yeah, right.
Iran is showing arrogance, because of Russian "support." They are blinded by ignorance here, not realizing that they are just pawns in this high stakes of international affairs. Russia is just waiting to enter the game of diplomacy over the release of the British "HEROS." The goal of the Russians is to insure that the UK's gov't will hide under the rug damaging evidence they have over the assassination of the former KGB operative. Once that is assured, the Russians will secure the release of those soldiers wrongly held captive.
Your right Adele! All prisoners of the US are "naked, piled up in a pyramid, black hoods on their heads, hung upside down with electric wires hooked to their testies." The Iranian govt. is so kind and great! If only the rest of the world were like them! MAN, I wish I could live in that world! Peace on Earth!
There has to be direct evidence of the exact position of these British sailors. With all the technology that is available it cannot be that difficult to find out. I do recall the hostage crisis of 1979 and that it lasted for 444 days. Hopefully, this will be resolved quickly and peacefully so the sailors can return to their country.
During the boarding of the merchant vessel why did the British troops not have air support? A rescue team should have been dispatched while they were still on the water. Or maybe a few warning shots by the destroyer would have chased the Iranians away.
Thank you Adele. Finally, someone who thinks before judgement! Most people would react upon impulse. Thanks again Adele. I think its time to leave the Middle East, its getting to be biblical revealing. Who's in who's backyard? The british government is reacting a little too impulsive. We'll see when the evidence is presented.


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