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In tribal Pakistan, a shave may cost your life

Posted: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 7:07 AM
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In the tribal areas of Pakistan, a shave may cost your life.

"The government is unable to protect us so we will abide by what the Taliban tells us to do and stop shaving beards," said Niamat, a barber in Khar, the headquarters of the Bajaur tribal agency along the Pakistan-Afghanistan border.

And the Taliban mean business, On Sunday night, bombs destroyed two barber shops and three others suffered partial damage after the owners refused to follow the orders.

"I am a Muslim and I know that no one can force me to shave or not to shave. This should be my decision," said Nasir, a regular customer, wearing a green turtleneck sweater and jeans. "But I was threatened. They asked if I will obey the new laws; I will obey because I am afraid."

Mushtaq Yusufzai / NBC News
A barber shop in the tribal region where the Taliban have banned shaves.

A couple of weeks earlier, in the middle of the night, someone slipped leaflets under barbershop doors throughout the Bajaur Tribal Agency. The warning was hand-written in Pashto, the language of the Pashtun tribes who inhabit the border regions of Pakistan and Afghanistan.

The leaflets read: "SHAVING BEARDS AND TRIMMING BEARDS IS UN-ISLAMIC AND IS FORBIDDEN. VIOLATORS WILL BE KILLED."

The customers panicked and the barbers panicked too. In almost every barber shop the owners put up signs begging their customers not to force them to give a shave.

Slow 'Talibanization' of tribal areas
A shave costs less than 2 cents -- but the Taliban edict forbidding barbers to shave or even trim beards will cause severe economic hardship, and put many of the 200 barbers in Bajaur out of business.

"Barbers are poor people, they have no other business," said Ikram, another regular customer. "If they can’t give shaves, they will not be able to feed their children."

A group of barbers told NBC News that their business had declined by 70 percent since the Taliban issued the edict.

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VIDEO: Watch scenes from a barber shop in tribal Pakistan.

 But that’s not all.

This latest threat by local Taliban militants comes on the heels of an announced ban on music -- music that is sold in CD shops or even played in somebody’s car. If the Taliban are to be believed, this is one more sin against Islam and a crime punishable by death. It’s one more alarming sign of the so-called Talibanization of Pakistan’s tribal areas.

Tribal area a sanctuary for Taliban
Bajaur is the smallest and perhaps the most inaccessible of Pakistan’s seven Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA). The tribal areas or agencies, as they are called, are semi-autonomous and have always been just outside the laws of the government of Pakistan. This is a holdover from the British Raj; the empire that separated British-run India from Afghanistan before Pakistan was created.

The colonial British decided it was better to allow the fiercely independent Pashtun tribes that inhabit the tribal areas to run their own affairs, according to their own tribal customs and laws. And the Pakistanis continued this arrangement.

But it is this tribal culture and this "laissez-faire" policy of successive Pakistani governments that has nurtured sympathy for the Taliban and allowed these isolated border areas to become sanctuaries for the Taliban and al-Qaida militants.

It is rumored that Ayman al-Zawahiri, the number two man in al-Qaida, comes and goes as he pleases in Banjaur. In fact up until 2005, when the Pakistanis raided it, al-Qaida had its winter headquarters in Bajaur, inside the high-walled mud compound of a local cleric about eight miles from the Afghan border.

Fear of the consequences
Meantime, a few customers are still demanding a shave.

"I am clean-shaven and I will remain so," said Ikram, from behind the long wooly beige scarf covering his face." He insisted the scarf protected him from the bitter cold weather and not from the Taliban threat. "All the barbers refuse to shave me now, so I do it myself at home," he said.

One of Ikram’s like-minded friends even broke down the store-front glass window of a barber shop recently, and then threatened to break all the mirrors inside, when the barber, a man named Zareenullah, refused to even trim his small neat chin beard. But Zareenullah wouldn't budge.

"If we don’t follow they will kill us," said Zareenullah, "What can we do?"

"I offer to give them haircuts," he said. "Haircuts are allowed."

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What's Gillette and Schick doing..they should go there.You cant blame people with rusted out blades..they need decent well designed ones..then I guess the rules will change.
...what happens after your beard is 3 feet long, do you finally get to shave it or do you just have to let it grow?
The Taliban are NOT true Muslims. They do NOT represent Islam. Nowhere in the Quran does it say men must shave their beards. Although it is recommended because the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) did not shave his beard, it is not required. The Taliban is distorting Islam and imposing it upon others via violence, which is also against Islam. The Quran specifically states that there is no compulsion in religion. These people are confused souls who have lost the true meaning of Islam. Please do not judge all Muslims by these twisted people.
I wonder if we,in the United States, who are civilized people should just leave these peoples of barbarism to themselves to fight amongst themselves. If we as a Nation of civilized peoples do not keep our money and Country intact here, then, all is lost to protect what remains to keep our civilization as we know it. Too much money has been spent already on Wars overseas. The primary purpose of invading Iraq and Afghanistan was retaliation for September 11, 2001. Would it not have been better to have beefed up our security on our own soil, instead of trying to liberate other peoples who are clearly creating more hatred and bloodbath now than ever before? As one can see, people here are starving now, to pay for senseless war(s) when we can't maintain our own homes, jobs, and economy. There comes a point in time when the American people have become bled of their hard-earned, toiled money to a given mess of metallic fragments--what a waste of Earth resources. Remember what happened to civilizations past--destroyed by hatred, greed, and uncontrolled lack of respect for Mother Nature and this beautiful planet!It won't matter what we are doing to try to help these peoples--their barbarism and diversified cultures, whether religious or not, will ultimately destroy them. If there is a Supreme Being in our universe, I'm sure He/She is looking down on this big (small?) blue ball of ocean separating the waters of humanity, and is thinking enough is enough--I think it's time that Someone in the universe will step in.
"Stupid is as stupid does"
Any Taliban ban on showers or brushing your teeth? How about underarm deorderant? I won't even ask about birth control. Why does the Taliban expect their people to live in the Stone Age?
Talibanization mentalty is growing pretty fast in Pakistan, it is comprised of big Ego's of these individuals(Who dont have to be Pustons or Afgans), who are not ready to listen to any valid argument of change in a religon which provide a total flexibilty through a term called "Ijtehad" by using it positivly a group of individuals can decide the "Change" according to the needs of the age. One cannot live with 1400 year old values in todays world. The muslim(myself included) need to stand against these individuals who are hijacking the religon and trying to live in stone age. The tolernce is taught by the prophet(PBUH)during his whole life and here we are all the muslims in total denial of the currents facts of life and socities around us. Keep the religon to yourself and do not impose it to others...............Let cut the chase of having a beard...(They were having it as "Shaving" process was not as smooth as it is now...lets face the facts)
Why is it that no one addresses what the Taliban truly is. Religion is the means, not the end. Totalitarianism through brutal, yet partial translation and adherence to a religious dogma. Christianity had moments like this too. Inquisition, Crusades, etc. It's not the religion that is at fault. It's the people using it for political and/or power gains with the thin veil of a religious adherence.
I honestly have read everyone's comments and they all sound as clueless as the misdirected Taliban. Imposing our religious beliefs is as fascist as their mandates of fundamentalist Islam. Killing them because of our small-minded intolerance is mass murder, no matter how you spin in. And all those pro-Israelis that think this shows the horrible nature of Islam are ignorant--all religions and people are capable of this callous disregard for the rights of others, both historically and currently. Palestinians, Black America, Homosexuals, Women, etc. ad nauseum have all lived horrible, subjugated, hopeless existences in our recent history because of the "ethics" and methods of the governments and organizations everyone has touted as superior to the backward Pakistani tribesman. And you right-wingers who think a liberal reaching for peace will cause Islamic fundamentalists to rise against us in our homeland are smoking Dutch cleanser, in addition to missing the point. And the liberals who think their high-and-mighty worldview of a peaceful resolution to all of this are ignorant to A) The Nature of Man; and 2) The Necessity of Our Great Country and Government's need for some form of imperialism to be able to succeed in the future against the competition of our global marketplace, like it or not. The more I read the opinion of both the populace and of the so-called powers that be, the more depressed I become that the situation is hopeless because of the incompetence and ignorance that surrounds all of us. God help us all, I only want a world left for my children to leave happily in.
Let's see, God gave man free agency and muslim extreamest are taking it away. Playing God? Also, I am angry as hell at the moderate Muslims who are sitting on their hands doing nothing while American men and women and men and women from other countries are fighting the fight. Seems to me that the moderates should be marching in the streets, turning in people they know to be dangerous, joining the military by the hords and speeking out in every venu. The extreamist are perverting their religion through torture, war, and murder. Where are you people! America is giving all we have, What sacrafice are you people making? You should be at the forfront of this fight. Stand up! Not stand down and let others fight the fight for you! If we loose, you loose.
this is a reply to allison antoneeli comment .I am not muslim i am not republican but how can you blame george bush for radical muslims that forbid shaving of face hair.How does he have any blame on this subject.Let it me known i am not a george bush fan i think he should be tried for crimes against humanity.Put the blame were the blame on the radical muslims not on bush.
The only good thing about this is that now the Pashtun will start to hate the Taliban and recognize them as the enemy! I feel very sorry for the people of that region, isolated from the rest of the world, and never knowing the rule of law which supports inividual freedom and choice. The poll was a joke. I'd love to sit down with the muslims and ask them about free will. Is it better for one to choose for himself what to believe, or is it better to have to be a Muslim or die, because the local authorities demand it? The Taliban are acting like facsists, and the locals will start to hate them with their thug-like tactics of violence and intimidation. In the war for people's hearts and minds, freedom wins. No one likes to be told what to do, including good muslims!
we should have sent adequate aid to Afghanistan instead of ruining Iraq (and ourselves in the process). What a shame. I encouage all concerned Americans to help these destitute people through orphan sponsorships and such things in Afghanistan. These people need so much help. I found a good organisation in Kabul called Aschiana. It's true that forcing religion is forbidden in the Koran. This area is darkened by poverty and illiteracy-not religion. The Taliban don't even understand Islam-they are all brainwashed. All individuals can do is help the standard bearers of light-that is parents and teachers and doctors-in this troubled place.
There is nothing wrong with Islam. You can’t blame a religion if people are misinterpreting Islam. I am Pakistani and I know every other Pakistani man is clean shave. And yes my answer to John Doe is that Islam is a peace of religion. How would you feel if I say Christianity teaches terrorism because Timothy McVeigh was a terrorist? You can’t blame a religion for evil minds. No religion teaches inhumanity.
Bush tried for crimes against humanity? What exactly are his crimes against humanity? By saying such a comment, you are basically saying our troops are committing these crimes. The only crimes against humanity I see is our country blindly funding a country who does commit these crimes daily. Buy a ticket and fly to the West Bank or Giza, and you can witness it first hand. How can anyone in this country make a comment about terror tactics, or the abuse of anothers rights, when parts of this country did the same thing to African-Americans, not so long ago.
"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank that is in your own eye?" (Matthew 7:3)
This shaving business isn't about religion. It's about control. People across the centuries have committed cruel acts upon others in the name of religion; remember the Crusades? It's about the politics of control. There is no solution that does not come from within. The people of the Colonies had to decide for themselves to rise up and shake off the madness of King George before France could find it lucrative enough to step in and help. Notice the irony.
Sana, until the Islamic world stands up and begins repudiating these crazy people and takes the responsibility of dealing harshly with them nothing will change. The USA is in Iraq and Afghanistan precisely because of the abject failure or the Saudis, Egyptians, Jordanians, Algerians, Morrocans, Lebanese and all other supposedly moderate Islamic countries to undertake the responsibility of doing what they should have done. But then, its so much easier for them to cry "Infidel" or "Crusader" to whip up anger among the ignorant populations who are Muslim only because they were born that way. Islam is no religion. It is a culture, a political system, an identity. That's all. And until Muslims start to police their own extremists instead of leaving it to the rest of the world, the Islamic world has no credibility, has no standing, has no face to even sneeze at the rest of the world for trying to protect itself. Perhaps nations should be renamed to... The Christian Republic of Great Britain, The Christian Republic of Germany, The Christian Republic of France, The Christian United States of America. Then, of course, the Islamic world would be agast with horror and claim bias and prejudice. Where's the same horror at "The Islamic Republic of Iran"? Why is not Iran or any of the Islamic countries, also the country of all of it's citizens? Why do Christians and Jews in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, and on and on, have to live in constant fear and hiding? Look at virtually every single problem location in the world? What do they have in common? Islam. This comment from one born and raised in Pakistan. USA Zindabad!
This is clearly a statergy of the terrorists. They do this so that everyone looks like them and so that it is hard for the army to pin point the terrorists. This is no exteremism this is no terrorism this is a MENTAL ILLNESS.
I am so tired of the "Timothy McVeigh" comparisons. He was an anti-government extremist who claimed to be agnostic until he asked for a chaplain the day of his execution. What does this have to do with MILLIONS of Islamic extremists who will kill at the drop of a hat for Allah???? Who will murder their sisters, mothers and daughters for family honor without regret?
Being a Muslim, born and raised in the US, I can tell all of you that this is NOT ISLAM. People who feel its ok to insult a religion based on fanatics are just as illiterate as those fanatics. Learn a little about the religion before you go off on it. The people referred to in this article are the taliban, and yes they are illiterate, they are crazy and yes they should be taken out. But there is no reason for us to go in there and do this and risk more of our soldiers lives.
For those who say that RELIGION IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL, I ask you to consider the "wonderful" acts committed by Nazis, Bolsheviks and Maoists in the name of "human supremacy" over religion. Everyone has a "religion" whether you call it philosophy, way of life or what have you. Everyone has a set of supposed "non-negotiables" by which they think they, and everyone else, should try to live. You can define that as "religion" or "philosophy", but the concept of outlawing religion is a ludicrous as outlawying individual thought. There are people around the world who would kill us in an instant if they could, for no other reason than the passport we carry. Peaceful coexistance with us is not an acceptable outcome for them. When they gather and chant, "Death to America, Death to Europe" they really mean it. If they had access to nuclear weapons, they would have used them already. They are like rabid dogs - and the only thing you can do with a rabid dog is put it down. You can't train it to be nice or even to leave you alone. It's not pleasant, it's not fun, but it is sadly necessary.
ive heard that /M1:6 had a tip off this was going to happen but they didnt do anything.if there was a tip off they shouldve sent like 30-50 undercover armed soldiers onto the planes
Hey Sana, You say you are Pakistani but post from Virginia. How about being an American. I'm so sick of all the people of other lands comming to America and failing to assimilate to our way of life. No one is saying to betray who you are as a people, just be a productive member of American society and claim to be American of Pakistani heritage. Get with the program or get out...bottom line.
This is what happens in a theocracy. The Bible says the same thing about shaving. We just ignore it.
We have our own Taliban in America. It is known as the Republica Party of morality...They are against any and everything..(The religious right, anti abortion, gay people, poor people, etc.) We had better pay more attention to our problems here at home and less attention to those abroad.....We are in the thresh hold of loosing our liberties also.
To all who believe we shouldn't have removed Saddam from power in Gulf War II: Remember Kuwait? American-led coalition forces drove Iraqi forces out of Kuwait and liberated it. Saudi Arabia sat idly by and did NOTHING! Iraq very belligerently ignored no-fly zones and fired upon American and coalition aircraft patrolling the zones for a decade. Saddam kicked UN weapons inspectors out of the country. All the while, terrible acts against humanity were raging against innocent Iraqi people. A wise man named Vince O'Neill once said "You be nice, and you be nice, and you be nice, until it's time NOT to be nice anymore!" President Bush did the only morally-responsible thing by ousting Saddam and giving the Iraqi people a chance to stand on their own. It will be a terrible waste if they don't pick themselves up by the bootstraps and take responsibility for the security of their own sovereign territory. The same for the peoples of Pakistan. We as Americans at least owe them the help to get on their own feet. After that, responsibility falls squarely on their own shoulders.
It seems odd to me that these stories that surface every so often about prison sentences, death sentences, caning sentences etc., bring about such a strong response by their readers. This is an every day occurence in these countries. If it is not one thing it is another. We think they are backward and ridiculous, but as ridiculous as it may seem to us - has it not evoked a response? Don't think that their actions are stupid, backward and ridiculous. If they can srike fear in their country, they can continue and eventually strike fear in other countries as well. We cannot turn a deaf ear or maintain a "laissez faire" attitude. We must continue to be involved and help these oppressed people, or someday we too will be wearing veils and sporting 3 foot beards. Fear and lunacy spread quickly - it still occurs every day and we must continue to fight it. Sometimes you must accept that there truly is pure evil and it spreads quickly. It must be stopped.
Dearest Antonella - Oh I hope you will never have to face the fear of losing your freedoms in America. Blame whomever you choose and maybe just to prove your point you should not shave either- seeing as how you choose to blame our President. It amazes me that people look to blame one person when it is hundreds of years of oppression that enable a society to accept what is pressed upon them to live a life that a personal hygiene choice can amount to death. What's next - not sneezing or coughing without a written permission slip. OUR President does not have absolute and total control, every decision he makes goes through many others before it is carried out. Wake up and be thankful that you are allowed to live your life with the freedoms that many people have fought and died for. Do not take for granted that we each have so much that others may never be able to gain without someone fighting for them.
I am shocked at the ferocious response to this article. It is good to see that people are expressing their opinions, and I am glad to see that someone mentioned the gangs and the Nazis. But we are forgetting that this is not the only cruelty that is happening in the world. What about the Sudan? What about Burma? What about China? What about North Korea? With or without religious backing, some rulers are cruel and completely inhumane. Yes, education will help, but we cannot police the whole world. I agree that everyone should be appalled at the inequities of the world. I agree that more moderate Muslims should help fight against the tyranny of the extremists. We are all human beings and we all should have the right to food, shelter, and personal safety. Basic human rights need to be taught all over the world.
Whoever here is blaming Islam for what the Taliban does can be ignored. You have no knowledge. Therefore the ignorance that you sput is ignorable. Everyone knows that the Taliban are not REAL followers of Islam. What they percieve as Islam is nothing at all like the true version of it. So whoever is blaming religion, STOP because it makes you look like an idiot. Go and do some research on it and then come here and try to make it sound bad.
Barbara Jean Brackett thinks we spend too much money on forein wars, despite America and the rest of the free world having enemies like the Taliban. Where do you want us to fight them Barbara; wait until they start killing people for shaving in Dade County and fight them there? The rabid fanaticism of these people is spreading toward our shores, as surely and deadly as a 767 flying into a skyscraper. Like the Nazis and the Japanese facists of the 30's, we need to fight them before they get here, then chase them back to their holes and burn them out. No other solution for this kind of problem has ever worked. Islam is a beautiful faith, that is if I haven't been misreading the Quran for the past 30 years. Today it is being misused as a flase front by a bunch of maniacs. They keep saying Islam won't allow this or that without Holy War, and it is the same kind of "big lie" that produced the "summer of madness" in Manchuria in '31, and the rise of the NSDAP in Germany in the same time frame. The only solution to that kind of insanity then was bullets, balls, and B-29s. I don't think we will ever see Chamberlains"peace in our time", and think we should stop asking "why can't we all get along?". There are monsters out there, and unfortunately, to survive, we have to be pretty monstrous as well.
Hey Sick and Tired, thanks for acting like an ugly ignorant American. Sana said nothing wrong. She and her religion are welocome, as is the truth. Just what did she day that was unamerican?
Im a muslim, im pakistani, living here in America born and raised, and im a devout muslim..Thats why it is a shame to see what is going on over in that region. There is no place in islam for forcing people to shave, forcing people to pray, forcing people to not listen to music. Islam promulgates freedom of choice, for muslims and non-muslims. Yet, it is the extremists within religions that scar and make look bad there own religion. Its also sad to see the uninformed bloggers on this blog, taking shots at Islam, maybe if you were more informed about Islam and muslims, you wouldnt ridicule the religion, rather you would realize that the taliban are extremists, who do not represent Islam. Try reading an unbiased book on the religion and you'll see what im talking about. Every religion has extremists, unfortuanetly, thats just a part of life.. but as we know, knowledge is power, so dont make unbiased judgements, seek the truth via credible sources. Note, American media is not one of those credible sources. May God guide and help us all, and may we all live in peace together and better understand each others beliefs and appreciate them..
At this rate, the entire northwestern corridor of pakistan will look like a giant version of the band ZZ Top!
Well, tough guy Bush has really sent a message to the world. Attack us & we'll go after you half-heartedly until we realize there's not enough money to be made for halliburton, exxon, et al. & then you can go back to killing people for shaving. had enough? there's more. we'll topple a secular regime, w/o restoring order, or electricity, or...anything, thus providing you a training ground & millions of targets. And we'll indiscriminatley round up, torture,& disappear people, providing the propoganda you need to recruit fresh suicide bombers. so.. let that be a lesson to you.
It is sad when people no longer seek understanding. Most people do not pay much attention to the real stories. They see or hear one side of the story and then formulate their own views. Where is the other side of the story? Do we care about finding out? Not really. By the time we finish hearing one side, we entrench ourselves into our views trying to fight off other views and opinions. Open up your ears and hearts! Listen to dissenting views. Find out the real stories, instead of what you want to hear! In regards to the story, I find it disappointing that one religion will seek to impose its will on all others—regardless of their own personal beliefs. I do not completely understand why the Taliban will use such force. I suppose it is to force them to be “saved,” but I have not had the opportunity to find this out. I have found, after reading the posts, that several people blame President Bush for everything under the sun. I agree that he has not handled everything as well as could have been handled, but we’re looking at that from the future, where we can see things a lot more clearly. He may have called the shots, but he was given all of the information from other people. Any “bad” decision that was made was made off of either incorrect or inconclusive information. Had you been in that position, you would have made your best decision, which probably would have been derided if it wasn’t the best decision. Many probably would call you stupid, a mass murderer, or whatever other terms they may think up. Also, before you blame President Bush for everything, please learn about the limits of the three branches of power, and who does what. If you don’t you’ll just sound stupid to those who have knowledge.
Boy, I don't know whats more scary, the Taliban manipulating and changing a religion to make up their own rules or people who read these kinds of stories and immediately react with assertions that this is how Islam is, lets kill them all. Islam is the second largest religion in the world. Has at least 6 million practicing muslims in the U.S. Yet in Africa, US, Austria and all other parts of the world Muslims are allowed to shave. A person with common sense or an educated person would actually go and lookup for themselves what the religion says before making a judgement on it. He would then realize this is not the religion. But, a Taliban like minded person just needs to here one story to be brainwashed and make up his mind. I would like to ask the many people who have said Islam is crazy religion to ask themselves if a Priest had made up this no shaving rule in some remote poor non governed area to gain control, what would their response be. Most people would say the priest is not practicing his religion and thats not what Christanity is. But, when it comes to another religion they act another way. Come on people, educate yourselves and stop acting like the Taliban.
Religion is Mythology. The only thing dumber than the belief in a mythological god, is killing people because of that belief... Which is what has been at the core of ALL religion for as long as it has existed... Why should it be any different now? Wake up people. Evolve beyond the god myth...
You know, God, Yahweh, Allah, etc., etc., probably doesn't really give a _______ if one has a beard or not! But I bet He does care if one human takes the life of another for any reason. 'Ya think? Unbelievable !!!! It would be so very interesting to know how all the so-called "martyrs" and followers of this and other extremist religions will be welcomed at the pearly gates.
The Taliban are no different than a neighborhood bully. They will twist your arm, and beat you good if you don't listen to what they say. The outcome will always end up with you getting a beating for something, however. Now, if someone with a gun put down that bully in the street... well, problem solved. There should be a well-publicized campaign to nab these "bullies" and they can be rounded up, identified, then shot dead as a warning to other taliban: You don't belong here.
We are told by politicians and media, “Democratic nations are not at war with Islam.” Muslims defends Islam and say we are ignorant about the truth. Then where the hell is the non-radical majority of Muslims when the world is boiling? Where is this overwhelming non-radical Muslim majority when it is absolutely necessary to search out and eliminate the radicals in their very own neighborhoods? Where is the Muslim ideology that will give birth to a kind and peaceful society? The truth is the majority of Muslims throughout the world fall into one of two categories; radical religious fanatic terrorist who want to kill anyone with a different idea and Muslims who if not actively supporting them sit by and do nothing to take up arms and fight the radicals which are their own family and neighbors. Until Islam has a war within itself to eliminate the insane murderous fanatics, we will clearly be at war with Islam.
Well now I know why I am a practitioner of Santaria, Rastafarian Orthodox persuasion. These other "false" religions like Islam and Christianity are all about killing, stoning, beheading, etc., of non-believers. Personally, as long as I can sacrifice a chicken occasionally to keep the evil away, pay homage to the good spirits by burning my sacred "incense", I will embody the true spirit of Peace. The rest of you are all infidels...beard or no beard! AIIIyyeeeeee!
I think is time for us to withdraw from Iraq. We shouldn't pay for a mistake of judgement that conducted us to this nonsensical war. The people of Iraq shouldn't pay for it either. We will have thousands of our soldiers killed there and this won't solve the problem, the people of Iraq will have more friends and relatives also killed and this will generate more anger against us. Everything was Saddam until he was hanged and where in the world is "Osama San Diego"? The big guy will have a nice paid retirement with all the benefits while our families will be left with many orphans or sons and daughters in the comforts of the walter Reeds'. The only way to avoid terrorims is to stop terrorizing those guys!
Why does everyone blame Islam? (Not necessarily you guys who have commented before me, but speaking generally.)The actions of the extremists who blow themselves up, claiming that it is for the sake of Allah, is not Islamic, mind you. In addition, this is the TALIBAN we're talking about here, who try to use Islam as a justification for their sick actions. The actions of these people shouldn't be falsely generalized to apply to all Muslims. Peaceful, tolerant Muslims do exist, even though they rarely appear in the media.
This is in response to Sandra Bartolomo: Sandra, Timothy McVeigh is not a good example. This comparison might be better: Does the Irish Republic Army represent Catholics?. The IRA commits acts of terrorism but does the West call them Catholic terrorists or Catholic extremists. NO - they call them terrorists. Why attach 'Muslim' when we refer to Taliban terrorists or other terrorists who commit crimes against humanity? They are terrorists not Muslim terrorists. In the Quran it says to kill one human being is to kill the whole of humanity and to save one human being is to save the whole of humanity. How then can Islam, a religion practiced by billions around the world be interpreted as a religion of aggression.
I just read where a 19yr old Saudi women was blackmailed, her family threatened, then ganged raped and beaten by some thugs. Her punishment!! = 90 lashes QUOTE: "The judges, basing their decision on ISLAMIC LAW, also decided to sentence the woman and her original blackmailer to 90 lashes for being alone together in his car." (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,256980,00.html) I'm having a hard time believing Islam = Peace when so many justify brutuality in the name of "Islamic law". Another example that this nasty behavior is not limited to remote villages.
First, H. Burns: Where in the Bible does it say you will be killed if you shave? Second, is anyone even mildly surprised by this? I mean really, is this even remotely shocking?! Not one bit to me. The only Muslims with a voice are the terrorists. The so-called "moderate" ones, sit by and do nothing while they could be a great ally of our cause. I suppose the libs read this and blame Bush just like the Katrina disaster. That was his fault too.
What is happening in the tribal area with the taliban is clearly cultural and NOT related to religion of islam at all. These kind of mix up occurs all the time and they should be cleared the religion of islam is not to be blamed but the people following it. Islam is the greatest religion and so many stereo types are being portrayed.
If the past century has taught us anything it surly is that when you fight a war it should be with all you can muster. There is no apeasment,no forgiving after all your country and your countries men and woman are a risk. What if you lose? At the present time our military forces are at a point of depleation not enough of everything, why do our leaders persist in fighting wars with one hand tied behind? Why do we pour billions of our hard earned dollars into a country that insists on killing Americans. Our own infrustrure here at home is falling apart, Not enough schools , hospitals , road repair , ect. not to mention conditions of the homeless, and health care for our own citizens. If it were not for Franklin D. Roosevelt " A real leader" our citizens would not have anything to leave our children, Politicians are afaid to call up the men required to complete the task they have envoked upon America. But have no compuntion when it comes to handing out Billions in give away programs to build other countries, including the enitire middle east. Just take a minute and think about this! The present adminsteration could have given each and every one of our 360 million people here in America Two (2) million dollars each and still would not be in the debt we now have. We would be no where near the Trillions of dollars we now owe to borrowed monies from foregin countries. Thsse coments will not appear, for what ever reason , however they should be of intrest to all Americans , because we are giving our lives to a half hearted effort on the part of our own government.


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