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Tehran's teeming bazaar

Posted: Monday, March 05, 2007 11:46 AM
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Reza Elmanan ran his hand over a carpet of deep reds and browns, turning the edge to show the fine weaving. "It’s from Tabriz, pure silk, one hundred years old. For you, $2,000," he said, "but we can talk about the price."

These aren’t good times for Elmanan. Sales have fallen by 70 percent from last year. "Everything is becoming more expensive, people can’t afford it," he complained, before blaming Iran’s president: "Ahmadinejad hasn’t delivered in his economic promises."

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A view of the bustling Tehran market.

Elmanan’s carpet shop sits amid the mayhem of the Tehran bazaar, miles upon miles of narrow crowded alleyways, lined with colorful shops and stalls selling just about everything. It’s Iran’s economic heart, and we were advised that this was the place to come to feel the nation’s economic pulse.

A powerful, but disgruntled, lobby
By some estimates the bazaar controls more than a third of Iran’s retail trade. The merchants who run the bazaar, known here as bazaris, are politically very powerful. They helped finance the Islamic Revolution, and can make or break a government. Right now they are not a particularly happy bunch.

"My sales are down by 50 to 60 percent," said Mohammed Yasrebi, whose family has sold jewelry in the bazaar for three generations. "I’m very worried about sanctions," he said. "Things are going to get much worse than they already are."

The bazaris are conservative – a secretive world of interconnected commercial and banking interests. Since the revolution, they’ve been a pillar of support for the conservative wing of the Islamic leadership. But today they are being hit where it hurts most – in their wallets. Many blame Ahmadinejad’s hectoring style and reckless foreign policy for isolating Iran. Like business people everywhere, they want stability and certainty.

"What don’t they just talk? This shouting does nobody any good," said Elmanan of the standoff over Iran’s nuclear program, folding away another carpet that had failed to find a buyer.

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Women window shop in the Tehran market.

Outside, porters ferried barrows laden with fabrics, whistling and shouting to clear a path through the crowds. On more than one occasion this correspondent was forced to take evasive action, jumping into a doorway, much to the amusement of more seasoned buyers, more adept at avoiding the hurtling barrows.

It looks busy, Elmanan had told me, but people just aren’t spending.

Defiant currency with nuclear power symbol
Ahmadinejad was elected on the back of populist promises to improve the lives or ordinary Iranians and to spread the country’s oil wealth more widely. That hasn’t happened.

Inflation, officially 13 percent, is reckoned to be at least twice that figure. Today the government announced it is introducing a new 50,000 rial (about $5.50) bank note. On the rear of the note is the nuclear power symbol, a sign of defiance, though to the hard-pressed merchants the new note is just a further sign of the country’s inflationary woes.

These are also challenging times for Iran’s oil industry, one of the few things not controlled by the bazaris. A frank weekend report in the Tehran Times described falling capacity and an old and creaking infrastructure, which it said is in need of massive investment if Iran is to take advantage of growing demand. The report said major oil companies were desperate to provide that investment, but nervous because of the standoff with the United States.

There is also a suspicion here that Saudi Arabia – alarmed at growing Iranian influence in the region – is deliberately dampening the oil price in order to put further pressure on Tehran.

Ahmadinejad said recently that sanctions are just a piece of paper. But that is not the way it is seen in the bazaar. When the economy is in crises the bazaar feels the pain, and today, behind the din of commerce, Iran’s most powerful merchants are grumbling loudly.

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In my opinion, the situation with the people in Iran is about the same as it is here with some of the officials we've voted into office ourselves: we hear promises from politicians seeking to lead our country, we believe in them, vote them into office, and once they're in office, the promises are either broken or forgotten about altogether because of their being drunk with the authority given to them. Ahmaninejad knew the whole time what he was going to do, and he knew that he would eventually receive this position of power due to the fact that the people of Iran were so desperate in wanting someone to make their lives better. He played upon their hopes and dreams, and now the people are having to pay for his lies and betrayal.
The Iranian Government is looking to dominate the region and the oil...period.
The bazaari's tend to strech the truth. Being that I have five members of my family being bazaari's, they are always complaining. However my uncle is still builing his $14,000,000.00 (Actual US Dollar) house. I' don't neccessarily think that his sales fell 70%. However people are dissatisfied with this president, but not for his foreign policy, but for his domestic policy decisions. Iran will acquire this technology and will not make a bomb, but will be two screws away from it. The bazaari's were behind Rafsanjani, but the army and the Revolutionary Guards were the one's who brought Mr. Ahmadinejad into power. He was brought to power for one purpose, and he is delivering on it better than any other world leader deliver's on their promises.
Iranians chant "Death to America, and speak about the USA as "the enemy". They are actively killing our soldiers and arming Hezbollah. They advocate the destruction of Israel. I have no issue with the people of Iran, but then again, my father had no issue with the people of Hamburg either in WW2 as we bombed them. Right now, Iran is an enemy of the USA and a real threat to western civilazation.
Threatening to wipe out other countries by Iran's president, is unacceptable. And I'm not jewish!
someone wrote: "Does anyone remember the US hostages in Iran? Does this guy remind you of the kind of government that was then and is now? It seems as though the Iranian government now wants to carry a big stick "nuclear bomb", and hold the world hostage. If anyone believes that the U.N. is going to fix this issue, take a look at the track record, it is not going to happen. Who listens to what the U.N. has to say?" You might find this bit of trivia informative. FACT:Ahmedinejad was one of the hostage takers.
Lets not forget either that Iran has Al Queda leadership there under "house arrest" that they have refused to hand over to the US. This is not exactly a "recent" issue either. The Al Queda leadership went to Iran immediately after Afganistan (you know... before the US really ticked off the world with Iraq). There is just so many bad indicators coming out of Iran to ignore them. Be it: 1. Iran attacking Israel through their Hezbollah proxy (not to mention supplying them). 2. Iran's fingerprints in killing US soldiers in Iraq (still an ongoing debate as to how deep Iran's leadership is implicated in this). 3. And Iran's aspirations for "nuclear energy" in a country rich in conventional energy. Not to mention the nuclear bomb blueprints discovered by the IAEA a while back. Not to mention that the program was clandestine BEFORE Bush came to power (for like 25 years). Nor to forget the clear help from A.Q. Khan's network (want to buy the bomb anyone?). Lastly, I had heard a while back where there were some US hostages from the 1979 revolution who said that the current Iranian Prez was one of their captors. I could have sworn that in old footage of that event, I saw a young Ahmaninejad in those videos. My hope is that the average Iranian will reject this Iranian Prez based on how he has not delivered what he promised... to make the economy better and to solve the chronic unemployment suffered by Iran's growing youth. And UN Sanctions can only help in this. Hope China and Russia finally get onboard.
I am amazed at the vicious hatred Americans carry towards Iran and Iranians- a country that has already continually been at the recieving end of America's support for arab terrorist regimes against Iran and the direct and indirect U.S. involvement in the murder of hundreds of thousands of Iranians in the 1980-88 U.S.-backed arab aggression against Iran and the murder of innocent civilians. For the few of you non-psychotics, listen to what the most conservative hardliners are saying and compare that to what the neo-con, evangelists, and zionists are saying and the lies that they spread. This is ridiculous - if you are worried about WW III, look no further than yourselves.
Thank you for the wonderful blog from the Iran market place. How very interesting. It shows that admist all societies, regardless of relegious oppressions, the world has grown to a place where economic structures are so important, and that compasionate capitalism provides the way and means for the growth and order for our world. I am glad that we have eliminated the 'old world order' from next door to Iran. The true nature of the insurgents is now being recognized by the Moslem world as negative to their culture and will no doubt be iliminated from the picture in due time, as the people are steadfastly recognizing their oppression from these peoples. Economics will rule in the end, and I believe the world will see that they, and we, owe our military a debt of gratitude for not allowing this cancer to spread further. All peoples want to eat, take care of their families, worship in the way they choose, and have enjoyable lives. Eventually all the 'junk' will be discarded, no doubt, including our special interest political party donations that have written law and controlled this country for far to long. Thanks again, I really would like to have that one hundred year old rug. some day wouldn't it be wonderful to travel there and buy it!
How about some human rights! How about true democracy! Ahmadinejad your time has come. The iranian people have suffered enough, get out and take all your religious so called righteous mullah hippocrates with you. DEMOCRACY FOR IRAN NOW.
Chris Curry, your point about "if our military was producing and distributing weapons to other countries don't you think Bush would be held responsible?" Don't make me laugh! This country is the biggest supplier of weapons in the world! Ever heard of the "military industrial complex"? Ever seen the docu "why we fight"? Ever read a single book about US policy toward Central America in the 1980s? (how many hundreds of thousands died in US-engineered "civil wars" and regime changes?) Ever heard a single piece of news about the US flooding poor nations with weapons subsequently used in a civil war (think: Liberia, Guatemala, Iraq/Iran in the 80s, etc etc)? If you haven't, then you are not paying much attention. Who is afraid to point the finger? Are you kidding? Every time I turn on the TV set there is some fool like Glen Beck on CNN talking about "The Iranian Threat" as if it were just conventional wisdom, no need for proof. There is nothing BUT finger pointing, and very little actual thought. I am as afraid of iran as i am of the easter bunny, and all these nationalists agitating for "action" against Iran are just hysterical paranoids unable to distinguish fact and government-produced fiction. On the other hand, who is "holding Bush responsible" for US crimes in the world? The UN? We don't care about the UN. What of all the four million bomblets Israel dropped in the last 48 hours of their war against Lebanon, did the US have no hand in that? To compare Iranian perfidy with US perfidy is like comparing a mouse to an elephant. The US rapes and uses countries whenever it needs to, without any compunction. Where did the Taliban and Al-Qaeda come from? From our cold war immoral use of force: when the Russians sent in tanks so girls could attend school (and prop up their regime), the US decided to pick the most radical of the jihadists to kill as many russkis as possible. no one gave a damn about dead civilians. just like no one gave a damn about the dead civilians in Saddam's gas attacks on the 1980s (although everyone suddenly felt real sorry for them when we were looking for an excuse to attack them a few years ago) -- hell, we were helping both sides kill each other (ever heard of Iran/Contra? That was the "patriot" Reagan). what part of "crimes against humanity" don't you understand? (not to mention the estimated one million iraqis who died during the "sanctions" of the 90s -- who is to be held responsible for that?saddam was just our cold war frontman).
I say forget the sanctions. Let them build the bomb. Shoot the dud off. And then well shoot ours off and we will be done with all this nonsense.
On Ian's last article about his taxi driver, I posted the thought that average people everywhere have pretty much the same worries and goals. Now comes his articel about the bazaris who are worried about business being bad. So what do you think? Are average joes pretty much the same everywhere? Is it true for Iraqis, Iranians, Palestinians, Israeli's, Chinese? Are there good and noble Muslims as well as radical Muslims? Are there greedy and callous Americans? Are there peaceloving Palestinians and Israelis? Could there be so much war because we have forgotten what peace means? Do we always have to be top dog? Do we always have to carry the biggest gun? What is international law if no one obeys it? What is the U.N. if no one believes in it? What is the United States if it doesn't stand for individual rights and the dignity of all mankind? Can we stick our necks out a little and be the first to trust the other guy as long as we aren't naive and do demand reasonable accountability? Can we talk to the "enemy"? Can we make the first conciliatory gesture occassionally to see if the other guy responds? Should we try to gather evidence and think things through before we go jingoistic at the highest levels of our government? And as for you and me, what if we would listen to each other more and not talk at each other with such hostility? Would we learn anything from each other? I'm asking philosophical questions here. I'm not arguing positions. It just seems to me that the world isn't doing too well. Maybe if we think more and shout less we might clarify some issues and find ways to make some progress.
I laugh everytime I hear another American citizen who - ignorant of our history and the lives of our "founding fathers" - states that the latter insisted on separation of church and state. No such thing. The US Constitution merely states that Congress cannot and shall not make ANY religion the official religion of the US (i.e., state-approved religion). All of the "founding fathers" were nominally God-fearing men who considered themselves Christians, and it was not unusual to find them sitting in a local church on Sundays. All except Benjamin Franklin, who was an avowed atheist. Yet before he died, he confessed that he finally had come to believe that there is a Living God. Our current culture heavily promotes the concept of individuals sounding off with their personal opinions on everything. Yet anyone who gives an opiinion without doing a little background study is guilty of being superficial. But then, considering the livestyles of our trend-setting "celebrities" we have devolved into a superficial nation. And as for Iran? They will get their come-uppance, and will be humbled. And it will not be the US that causes it. Just sit back and watch...
Oh good grief...of course...it's all Bushs' fault. You bunch of Democratic weanies. Iran has been a scourge since the Carter administration - a DEMOCRAT. And they were a scourge during the Clinton Administration - another weanie Dem. So quit bashing Bush for everything. The Iranians have been pursuing Nukes for decades. Nuclear technology isn't something that can be created overnight, so it isn't like it just happened under Bushs' watch. Get off the Bush hating, and back on what matters. Hating the Islamic nutjobs that hijacked Iran in 1979.... By the way, I am an independent, not a Republican or Democrat. I think for myself, I don't let a political party tell me how to vote....
Wow What analysts you have here. I have read a few comments that made sense from both sides of the augument. However, in the mind of this "Old Guy" (76), most are very childish. It seems that your opinion of President Bush decides your answer to the question. Not so, my friends. He matters little in the discussion. Perhaps if you were more worldly than you think you are, your comments would show more maturity. Many of you also show your "liberalism" musch to clearly. Californians are excused as they are brought up that way. ( Lived there many years)
I will say this, the neo-cons propaganda machine is back at it again through its press and media machine . Talks of sanctions, war and the likes was heard before...remember IRAQ? Cannot the US Administration learn lessons of years past? Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan come to mind. Are not these three places where the US got and is getting their lunch handed to them? Thousands killed and over 250,000 injured in Iraq alone. Why sacrifice all these young soldiers blood. For what and for who? I do not want to hear anyone say for democracy and freedom, cause that is crap and insult to my intelligence.
I believe, as another has mentioned, that China and Russia are behind most of Iran's obstinence. If the war on terror is such a world problem then why doesn't Russia and China do their part? As in all our conflicts as well as theirs we all use whatever influence we have to see the other fail. Vietnam and Afghanistan are two shining examples. Russia has always been a trouble maker. China is spending it's new found wealth on building the most powerful military in the world. All our efforts in the middle east are totally misdirected and extremely expensive, in lives and money, and to what end. You want a solution to the Iraq diabolic! Give Iraq to Turkey! With Turkey in between Syria and Iran the lot will destroy themselves in short order and it won't cost us a dime. Been that way for thousands of years!
It is true that the USA has never explicitly stated that it will attck Iran. However the USA said the same thing about Iraq in the beginning. Iraq supposedly had WMDs. Remember those, everybody was so sure Iraq possessed them. Now it seems clear that the USA knew there were no such weapons. I wonder when the Americans will realise that they are fighting Israel's wars. Not all of Israel's problems are yours. But you seem dedicated to make enemies. Will Iran attack Israel if it gets nuclear weapons? Unlikely simply because it is MAD= Mutually Assured Destruction. The Mullahs is Tehran are not that stupid.
How did this article become about President Bush in this comment section? The kind of policies and rhetoric being advocated by Mr. Ahmadinejad and his government are what is hurting Iran, not the US. The majority of UN members support sanctions on Iran, why condemn a country that is ready to put "muscle" behind these sanctions? Believe me, a nuclear Iran won't be good for anyone....
Iran is learning the lesson of why a country should not be run by a religious extremist. Have we learned our lesson?
For everyone who (ignorantly) is so convinced that the Iranian people hate Americans, why don't you talk to some people who have actually spent time in Iran. In the last 2 weeks I've heard two reports on public radio from people who have gone to Iran and spent time amongst their people. They were well-received and well-treated. The common people of Iran don't hate us. Just because we see reports of SOME crazy Iranians chanting against us and burning American flags, that doesn't mean the majority of people hate us. Would it have been fair for other countries to say that all Americans hate black people because they saw a televised KKK march? The Iranian people don't want a war with the U.S. and they don't want to wipe Israel off the face of the earth. Yes, their crazed leader spouts off at the mouth, but he does not represent his people. Just like Bush does not seem to represent his people very well either. We have more in common with the Iranian people than some may think!
The article indicates that in today's currency a 50,000 rial note is worth $5.50. I feel for them. The currency in 1974-1976 under the Shah a 5,000 rial was worth $75 US dollars. A 10,000 rial was worth $150 US dollars. It is a shame that their revolutionary government has killed the economy.
I find it interesting that so many read a story about the dissatisfaction of Iranians with their government and Iranian missteps in diplomacy; and after consideration launch their attack on GWB, as if he somehow is responsible for Iran’s provocative policies. Perhaps the west did exploit the Middle East in the past. It appears now that we are not presently as exploitative of Arab populations as the current Arab religious and political leaders are. GWB did not invent Middle East turmoil or the ever present conflicts within it. They have created a socio-political mess that has spilled into the entire world. The answers to the woes of the populations in North Africa are education and an end to corruption and democracy. GWB isn’t the party perpetuating the problems of Arabia, Ahmadinejad and the many despots like him are.
Re: a comment above: I think the expression is "Watch what they DO, not what they SAY." I understand that Seymour Hersch, who supposedly has connections inside the government, wrote many months ago in The New Yorker that an attack on Iran was under consideration. How our bankrupt country (Comptroller of the Currency on 60 Minutes last night)could afford any more of this is beyond me. How do we get sanity in this world?
You liberal readers are amazing. I love how this again becomes the United States' fault. Sure, the crazy madman wants to saw our heads off with a rusty machete, and denies the holocaust ever happened... but if we just "talked" to him everything would be ok. Wake up. For those who want to "talk" to him, why don't you tell us exactly what you would say. David Graham had it right (below). These people want us dead because we are not Muslim. It's that simple. They are an enemy, and need to be treated as such. There is no peaceful ending to this.
As long as George fighting terrorist in wrong country, his mission is not going to be a successful one. It is very simple equation. If you like to see Taj-Mahal you go to India not to China. Think about it, 17 of the 19 terrorist of 9/11 came from Oil Country (Saudi Arabia), not came from Iraq. Why poor Iraqi people have to pay for 9/11 crime. What kind of responsible person takes such an action? George did an excellent job for all Iranian, using American army and American money fighting Iranian and American enemies. I think American and Iranian have the same enemies; they should fight these enemies together. Iranian was fighting these two enemies, Taliban and Saddam Hossein for 25 years by herself, thanks to George that almost finished them both.
Michael from Fargo has no idea what he is talking about. The terrorist infrastructure and the terrorist leaders pull their best and most important operatives and recruits from middle and upperclass families. Their motivations are NOT economic in the least. They are RELIGIOUS. Look at how many of the 9/11 hijackers had advanced degrees. Bin Laden... billionaire from one of the most highly respected (and most successful) families in Saudi Arabia. His closes confidantes and fellow Al Qaeda leaders... doctors, lawyer, construction magnates, etc. This is about power and religion, not about economics. Stop hating yourselves for being American and successful. The misplaced liberal guilt is getting very old very fast.
To those who stand blindly behind the US President: this adminstration has already proved that they can't be believed. Before escalating to an invasion of Iraq, they used to say that "all options are on the table". The plans were already being made. Rest assured the Iranian invasion plan is in place. It is only wanting a flimsy justification, or no justification at all like we had for Iraq. Removing Hussein may have been a positive improvement, but the end DOES NOT justify the means. Invasion of a sovereign nation based on nothing more than suspicion is not consistent with American values. In WWII, Germany struck the first blow. In Iraq, America did. Without the hindsight that history provides, it would have been just as wrong to invade Germany based only on what Hitler SAID prior to his own invasions. Backing Bush and his warmongering based on a feeling of moral superiority is no different than supporting the Nazi party was for countless German citizens. In other words, it is not OK to launch a sneak attack on the class bully. Good guys fight fair, even when it means losing the advantage.
Most of the people commenting here are so catastrophically mis-informed that it's sad. It's also a reflection of our biased, propaganda-spewing domestic press. The US, UK and Israeli governments have planned for an attack and dismemberment of Iran for over a decade in order to secure the oil and gas of that region. All of this other stuff is misinformation and spin to carry out a wildly illegal war that will spin out of control. You armchair political strategists should wake up, read some foreign press, and realize that the most dangerous nation on the planet right now is our own -- the US of A. Get a grip, people.
The former USSR was bankrupt thanks to Saudis pumping oil not Reagan's military buildup. Their army was not paid in months, and weapons were showing up on the black market. To bail Russia out enter Gulf war 1. The side benefit was bailing Mexico out from killer inflation. Never forget, Saddam asked Bush sr for clearence to invade Kuwait and was given a green light. what a sucker. Saddam then was allowed to form dummy corporations and manipulate the oil futures market. Saddam bought low, than kicked out UN inspectors, oil futures went up, Saddam sold high. Saddam then would repent, invite the UN inspectors back, futures dropped, new game begins. ALL were cashing in. Today Iran and Russia are playing the same game. The minute oil futures drop Iran or Russia rattles a sabre. DUH.
God Bless America! These idiots in Europe and elsewhere are very short of memory. When Germany fashists in 1938 started exterminating Jews, all Europe did nothing. America was not active as well. But, at least it is learning the lessons. This fashist idea that is now coming from Iran is not only about Jews. They are attempting to spread their ideology by ways of fear and intimidation. They have so much hatriage against western civilization. The West must be very worry now, especially Europe. In 50 years, the way it goes, Europe will loose its identity. Then everyone will think that America was right. For now, everyone is bushing at the only democracy that could save the world from the plaque.
It is a shame that the moron that the cristian right elected eliminated the checks and balances that the U.S. put in place many years ago. Sadaam was put in power with a US blessing mainly to keep Iran in check. He might not have been the greatest in the world, but he did his job well. Iran has started its reteric because Sadaam and his Army are gone. If that moron Bush would have just kept going in Afganistan we would not be having this conversation.
The rhetoric heard from all sides is inflammatory and is reminiscent of that heard before and during 2 world wars. Is it not odd? Evil nations are destroyed and up rise several more evil nations. Evil leaders were deposed and more rise up. Is there some requirement that the world must have evil nations and must be on the brink of war or engaged in one all the time? Are we so foolish or ignorant that we can do nothing but elect or suffer evil leaders? If Islam is a religion of peace and Christianity is a religion of peace, then why are they at each other’s throat? If these are religions that preach love and compassion then why is there so much hate? If you don’t hate me then why do you wish my death? If I don’t hate you then why do I look upon you with distrust and fear?
Leah, you're obviously a card carrying member of the blame everything on Bush crowd. Wake up and smell the enriched Iranian uranium.
All this talk about how bad it would be if Iran developed nuclear power...I agree, it would not be a good thing if ANY nation started lobbing nuclear bombs around, but has anyone considered that it is Iran's RIGHT? Who is America to say that a nation can or cannot have what we already have? Maybe Iran will actual do what America hasn't...and they will utilize nuclear power to it's full extent, and help diminish the need for fossil fuels as a form of energy. And one more thing to note....there is only one nation in history that EVER used nuclear weapons against an enemy...the good ol' U.S.A. So, again, who are we to throw stones?
Iran is leading the way on how to survive without being corrupted by United states corporate mongols. Its nice to now that there is still a country that relys on its people and natural resources. Iran gave us support after 9/11. Why did we isolate them to the axis of evil? America would not have its point of views different, if Bush had excepted Irans apology and willingess at that time to help us fight the war on terror. Just think... If we went into Iraq with Irans support or at least a consultation before we even entered???
Pablo, "voting irregularities, intimidation, and suppression of opposition voters"...sounds like Florida,2000....hmmmm
George Bush will be criticized no matter what he does. The very same people shouting, “Bush is Bad” are the ones who will be indignant when a nuclear Iran massively destabilized the world. Bush seems to be the only world leader who sees this. Should Iran nuclearize, the world should hold China, and Russia responsible for whatever they do. Any aggression by Iran should be regarded as such by China, and Russia. There is a price for opposing America just for the sake of doing so.
The only reason Ahmadinejad got elected was because Bush got elected. Both are religious conservatives in their own country's. Both are elevating fear and paranoia. The liberals of Iran and America need to step up and block out these "leaders" and start a dialog of their own of peace, culture and respect. Its really not that hard. Really. I would love to someday visit Iran and see its people, eat its food, and enjoy their history. But at this rate it is really just a dream.
Having spent two years in Esfahan Iran, just prior to the ouster of the Shah. My family and I found the country and people very friendly and helpful. But, don't think the country is run by anyone but the mullas. They still pull the strings. If they convinced Ahmadinejad to quite his tongue it would happen. Who do you think ousted the Shah.
Jose, Iran gave us support after 9/11? That's news to me. I guess I didn't hear it over the deafening chants of "Death to America" and "America is the Great Satan"!
Rattling our saber is not the instant solution this adminstration thinks it is. Some will view the inevitable "incident" in the Persian Gulf (blamed on Iran) as the perfect excuse to take action. I disagree. Sure, Iran's president is nuts. I don't think anyone disputes that. However, engaging in a pissing contest with him will achieve nothing good.
You got what you asked for, bazaris. Remember, Ahmadinejad was one of the guys pictured next to the blinded American hostage during the hostage crisis. It is really a mystery why the world is scared to death of this guy - taking hostages, ranting about destroying Isreal, nuclear ambitions, funding the insurgency in Iraq - where do I get in line to invest my $$$? Get real!
Quick quiz: What do these six names have in common? 1. Suharto 2. Hussien 3. Pinochet 4. Shah of Iran 5. Marco 6. Castro Answer: These are all dictators that the U.S. has supported economically and militarily over the years. We are reaping what we have sowed. When will our government learn its lesson ???
We were attacked by the Muslim "extremist" 911 remember??? Iran is fueling the turmoil in Iraq not America.. Helllo Iran has called for the destruction of Israel, America & Britain... Open your eyes. Iranian, Palestinians, Syrians, Hezbollah, Hamas (The Muslims want to kill you and your children in the West) But lets just close our eyes and elect some impotent woosey ass democrat to bring America to her knees. The new York Times, CNN,the ACLU and the Democrats are going to bring us to our demise in a Politically correct kind of way. Oh yeah and lets not forget to afford all the illegal aliens their welfare benefits, drivers licenses, savings accounts and Social Security. What a total load of BS. This Country better wake up or we will all regret it.
Very fascinating exchange of ideas and opinions. I'm an American with long-ago friends in Iran. Haven't heard from them since before 1981. The people I knew were pro-America, even though they never participated in "I love America" protests. (Of course, there never was one.) It seems that "Death to America" was what they HAD to say in that mob mentality. Actally, everyone just wants to raise a family and make a living. Most people are not at all interested in war. We're just all spectators watching our politicians in their quest for power. As for America, we want to be safe and have a good standard of living. Our economy is based on oil, and we need lots of it. GWB is just doing his president thing. John Kerry would be doing the same thing.
What is at work here in both governments is the retoric of hate. I don't think that the goverment of Iran reflects the ideas and ideals of the Iranian people any more than the government of the United States reflects our ideals.
This is gonna be dangerous, here it goes. Politicians are dangerous, no matter what country they run. President Bush stated, "The war was begun on my watch, it is your watch that will end it". He chose to confront a war that has been going on for a number of years, many years before his election. Iran is not an enemy, Syria, is not an enemy, it is the power heading these countries that are the enemy. This is global economics, these are the things that happen, WE all need what is going on, Iran is so small in the big picture, Syria doesn't even exist on the screen. These people have been fighting one another for thousands of years, are we fools to beleive we can change that? Shia against Sunni, Shia against Hindus, Catholics against Protestants, hmmmmmm, see a picture here? Religion is a deadly catylyst, it makes people do things they otherwise never would have dreamed. Killing in the name of Christ is just as bad as killing in the name of Mohammad, the factional societies have become secular, ther is no Christ, there is no Mohammad, each has taken it upon themselves to apply the law of God, in very different ways. Humans, the bad facsimilie of law abiding citizens, has created these problems. Every one of us, through out the world, has a choice, be educated, or be swallowed in the mess that is the world today. I will not pretend to be the most educated, but, to listen to the world's "middle class", they, we, can not understand the hatred. Americans, compare to here, the old Hatfield vs MCcoy situation, you find yourself asking why. The UN is weak, a group of over spending, greedy individuals that eventually disgrace themselves in the eyes of thier own. The world is fractured, money rules the day, the blue collar of every country is swallowed up in government mandates and demands, this is what needs to be faced. War will never end, we are humans, this is what we do, get used to it, in this case, the stronger will is going to prevail. If democracy is what you wish, fight for it, the radicals have fought for thier beleifs, the will there seems stronger, survival of the fittest, it is nature at her rawest most pure form, succomb to what the media tells you, or, be educated and fight for what you beleive. We have been given this choice in this absolutely wonderful country, feel blessed, the war to the end has started, it is no longer religion against religion, it is freedom against opression, America, you decide, shall we live, or shall we die?
The bazaris are the ones who brought down the shah? Sorry charlie but many university professors, students, idealist and also communists wanted his fall. But, I am very saddened by the fact that what they achieved turned into something far worse in many ways than what was life under the shah. I know, i was there in the mid 70's So it is not single group of persons who brought this about. Just as it wull not be a single interest group who cures it.


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