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Politics and reality in Baghdad

Posted: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 2:44 PM
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Military officials here are fond of saying that progress can coexist with violence. I think it's true -- one doesn't necessarily cancel out the other. Nor does the experience of one of the many Iraqis grappling with almost unimaginable losses make the kind of sweeping political statement that some readers see lurking there.

My colleague, who wrote about his preoccupation with people dying, would be one of the last people to say that things were better under Saddam. He's just trying to get by, not make comparisons.

"Blood is still blood and human beings are still human beings," he says. That doesn't mean he doesn't have a right to the fear and uncertainty and overwhelming grief that characterizes life in Baghdad for a lot of people now.

I've always thought Americans were known for their compassion. So why is it that this young father, a quite typical Iraqi, isn't allowed to mourn all the people he knows who have died? If your friends or your neighbors were blown to pieces or shot in the street would people have quite this reaction?

We can debate the figures. We should debate the figures. We have no way of proving that hundreds of thousands have died apart from the daily death toll and the knowledge that deaths are officially under-reported here.

But we can't debate that by almost every measure this is the most complicated conflict the United States has entered.

I interviewed Lt. Gen. Raymond Odierno, the commander of ground forces here, yesterday. I'd covered him when he was in charge of the 4th Infantry Division in 2003 and 2004 and asked him what U.S. forces understand now that they didn't then.

"First," he said, "We understand that it's much more complex than we expected. I think we understand the psychological aspects of this. You know that fundamentally the Iraqis, they are a different culture than we are, and I think we're a bit more attuned to that than we were initially."

So if a three-star general is telling us that Iraqis are complicated and it's really important to the U.S. to understand them, we might want to listen to some Iraqis. Like my colleague.

As I write this, there are mortars landing in a neighborhood not far from here. It's so normal that unless they're close enough to rattle the windows no one even comments on it. That doesn't mean that a lot of people in that neighborhood won't get up and go to work the next morning and even send their children to school. It also doesn't erase the fact that mortars fell there tonight.

I would assume that people who use the word "fraud" so easily aren't really open to other opinions but since a blog is by nature a bit more personal, let me tell you a bit about my credentials.

I've covered Iraq since 1991. I was the only Western reporter based here in the late 1990s. I have had the privilege of reporting from the front lines with soldiers and Marines in almost every major battle of this war - Najaf, Samarra, Fallujah, Tal Afar and a lot of them in between. I have been to those soldiers' homecoming ceremonies, their memorials, and met their families. Most of those men and women would laugh at the idea that any of them are ever "for war."

I can't imagine that anyone wouldn't want this to be better than it is right now. That doesn't mean that we can afford not to acknowledge the complexity of what it's like here. Until those people who want to believe we're making this all up come and walk in these streets -- or better yet -- talk to an Iraqi who lives here, we reporters are the closest thing you've got to being here.

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The complexity of Iraq was well understood prior to the invasion. The United States Government chose to ignore that complexity. They also chose not to inform the soldiers working in Iraq of the possible issues they might deal with. I suppose that would have 'demoralized the troops' or some such nonsense. Understanding the complexity NOW is...well...too little, too late. I believe that this violence would happen no matter who deposed Iraq...even if the revolution was internal. Therefore, there is no real reason for the USA to not leave immediately. I simply cannot wait to see how the history books tell this tale.
The truth is that no matter what we decide to do in Iraq, the outcome won't change. Whether send more troops or withdrawal, they will have another dictator at the end. The point is winning the war any more. The question is how we can convince Muslims we do not target any Muslim. This administration created an image that U.S will attack any Muslim because real terrorists in Afghanistan walked away free. Our government forgot about Bin Laden instead we attacked a nation who had nothing to with 9/11. Bad message to Muslims around the world. Muslims are not loyal to their governments, kings etc. but they are loyal to their religion. Our administration must stop saying “Muslim terrorists”. We have to make it clear there is no Muslim terrorists, there is only terrorists.
How is it possible that a U.S. military leader is now stating that things are complicated in Iraq and that their culture is very different from ours? Who didn't know this in 2000 or 2001 or even in 1900 or 1901?
If reporters are the next best thing to being there, why is it that almost all we hear about are the horrible things? The example you cite is from an Iraqi! I expect an American perspective from Journalists with American networks. I have to search for non main stream media sources or military sites to actually understand what the situation is with something like Iraqi security forces training and troop levels. Wouldn't those kinds of things be relevant to the big picture of the United States' presence in Iraq given that President Bush shows no signs of leaving based on bloodshed alone?
Dear Jane Arrif, I'm always pleased when I see you are going to report on the evening NBC News. You come across as a person that really cares about what you have seen and learned, and you pass that on to me.Thank you and I will be praying for your safety.H
I must start by saying I a total pacifist.I do not believe in my lifetime there has been a war with a successful conclusion. Korea, Vietnam, Afganistan, either remain unsettled,or had bad outcomes. We could also say that Isreal and Cuba are not clear victories. Iraq is a huge disastor and even if it were to have a successful outcome(If that could be defined) The cost has already been to high. It is time for the United States to be realistic and withdraw.
Never mind the "fraud" comment. Dont pay that sort of thing any mind and it requires no rebuttal. That was just an angry person who let his rage supercede his compassion.
If we weren't IN Iraq now All would be better off. What does anyone have to show after four years? Bush has spent Billions of Our tax dollars to rebuild Iraq and what do we have in real things to show for it? I am sorry and angry that We invaded Iraq. Now, we just need to leave.
The violence unleashed in Iraq after Saddams ouster is indicative of why he came to power in the first place. The real turning point was the destruction of the Golden Domed mosque. This was a revered holy and historical monument. I personally believe either Al-qaeda or Iran did it to intentionally inflame sectarian violence. The Sunnis have no real chance to dominate so this was not an act of loyalty to the Sunnis. It was an act of extreme cowardice and hate and it was against all muslims. It was politically motivated as well to embarrass the U.S.. I would not be surprised by such a treasonous act simply to undermine our efforts in the region. What this entire conflict is really about is the confrontation of evil regressive ideology versus liberty, democracy and human progress. The ensuing chaos after our initial mission was accomplished (with resounding success) just goes to show that Saddam was an evil tyrant ruling with an iron fist over a great many evil people. Certainly not all Iraqi citizens are evil, just enough that someone like Saddam was necessary to maintain order. What ever happens in the end we did the right thing. The guilt of the situation falls on those inciting it. We are clearly not those people. We only endeavor to liberate and further the progress of human civilization with regards to our interests. Those who turned against their own people and blew up that Golden Dome are those people. Those sad pathetic sycophants that want to blame the U.S. for the anarchy have no idea what the real issue is.
What I just cannot understand is why so many people are so ignorant to the consequences if we retreat from Iraq. I don’t mean to our image I mean to the Iraqi people. If we pull out it will degenerate into full scale civil war. Genocide will ensue. Al-Qaeda will gather recruits, Iran will align itself with the Shiites openly and claim righteousness because their enemy will be Al-Qaeda. Al-Qaeda will claim righteousness as the protectors of the minority Sunnis. The death toll will sky rocket. But I guess all of us at home will just be happy that our soldiers will not be among the dead any longer. Who, I wonder will cry out for intervention then? It sickens me to see our Congress who was complicit in instigating the situation in Iraq, try so desperately to undermine our position and our integrity as a nation by suggesting we just give up and leave the mess behind. If we pull out and allow Iraq to disintegrate then democracy has failed miserably once again and we as a nation have learned absolutely nothing from Vietnam. I suppose the counter argument to that is our Democracy tempers our power and authority. Without our democracy there would be no restraint on our unsurpassed superiority. That of course begs the question that without our democracy would we have ever been able to achieve such dominance. We as a nation are losing our moral clarity. When moral clarity is lost, things like Columbine happen. People like Anna Nichole Smith ascend to super star status. People like Michael Moore exploit the confusion for political and ideological agendas.
The truth, when heard, is obvious - even if the speaker is known to be a liar. If you never tell the turth again, thank you for this truth!
I am in the military and have done one tour in Iraq and will be going a second time. During my first tour I got to know many Iraqi's dearly and became close friends with them. I am ashamed of what we have done to this country. The Bush Administration and the "yes men" military commanders are totally to blame. I am also ashamed of our congress and the U.S. Media for being no more than door mats for the last 3 years. When will anyone be held accountable?
Reporters report what happens and most of what's happening in Iraq is bad. Of course military sites address troop levels and Iraqi security forces' training. However, few military sites are going to portray the effort in Iraq in a negative light. They simply don't focus on that aspect of the war and are more concerned with the good the military is doing, that's their job. However, the simple fact is that Iraq is a very dangerous place in which many people face death on a daily basis. Troop level changes and the training of more Iraqi security forces hasn't changed the situation much at all. When it does, maybe the reporters will deserve scorn. Until then, I hope they keep reporting the reality faced by the Iraqi people. Unfortunately, reality in Iraq isn't very nice at the moment.
Is there anything other than a "complex" war? Possibly, Granada but not Vietnam (who is our enemy?) or WW II (a war on how many fronts and we ally ourselves with Stalin?). The issue seems to me be our self-centered focus and expectations that those countries we invade want what we have. For a 3-star general, or a Secretary of Defense for that matter, to not have an understanding that there are cultural differences that would have signficant impact on war strategy reflects a fundamental issue of American pride. And we all know the Proverb--Pride proceeds the fall.
George W. Bush... a shallow intellect surrounded by zealots. A recipe for disaster.
Question: Must we as a necessary precondition for sound analysis of our predicament acknowledge the utter ignorance and extraordinary incompetence demonstrated by those who urged our invasion and occupation of this unfortunate land? Should we not at the outset reject the continued counsel of those whose arrogant stupidity got us into this mess?
http://gopvixen.blogs.com/gop_vixen/images/kurds_1.jpg Life was better for this mother and child under Saddam? Jane, you are a "fraud" as I said yesterday. You take your examples from 10-15% of the country that has bad guys in it and violence but continually fail to report on the 85-90% of the country with good guys and rarely sees the major violence. While you were in Iraq from 1991 I assume you continually reported on the people starving and getting whacked by Saddam's men and ladies in a couple cases? You use words like "unimaginable losses" which goes to show that you are really ignorant of wars or civil war as the MSM likes to place Iraq. Every loss is terrible but in comparative wars this is very low level. In '05 Brazil averaged 150 people killed everyday but I certainly didn't hear anyone calling it a war or civil war. No one will dispute that things need to get better and will but to selectively pick the bad and make it as a whole won't help make it happen. As for walking the streets to get an understanding of the feeling and conditions, my Marine friends who have been there a few times have already told me that it's not everything as has been reported, it's better. If you or your colleague want to write fiction then write fiction but don't try to pass it off as objective reporting. Even the liberal site Iraq Body Count can't even come close to the hundreds of thousands killed as was put as fact yesterday. I don't ever see liberal debating liberal when their own numbers don't match. It's really sad to see our own MSM take a positive event, Basra's lack of violence and The Brits ability to draw down, and make it into a defeat all because you in the media HATE President Bush that much.
So Bush wants to send in more US troops to "solve" the civil war he started by originally sending in US Troops? I expect that if China and Russia invaded the US, killed all of our current political "leaders" and their families, selected Chinese-leaning replacements and attempted to prop up a "new" government that there would be some resistance by the local residents. Then if they labeled all "resistance" as "terrorists" the killings would go on for quite some time. Unfortunately there are so many more Chinese. Bit on the bright side, Bush would be tried by a "fair trial", found guilty and hanged.
Thank you for everything you do ma'am. You are a great journalist. That said, I do not understand for the life of me why you or whoever has discretion chooses to post comments such as the one from the scum in texas who called you a fraud. You are not the government, you have no obligation to foster that piece of white trash's 1st amendment rights. Posting the comments of scum makes us all look like scum: it is a disservice to all thinking people to give brainless redneck fools like that a forum in which to demonstrate their ignorence. By the way, do you believe honestly that there is any question as to whether at least 100,000 have died since we invaded that country? If not, why did you feel compelled to justify that foolishness by equivocating in your response? We as Americans cannot tolerate these backward degenerate hicks any longer: they are bringing us down with their rotten ship. That goes from the chimpanzee in chief on down to the dumbest a-hole in the depths of Texas: we simply cannot allow ourselves to tolerate these people any more, they are spreading ignorence, hatred, and untold suffering around the world in our name. Be as safe as you can possibly be, and please try to let your Iraqi friends know that people like that moron from TX are not representative of our country - they are a blight and a stain upon it.
The situation in Iraq is a complicated one, without a doubt. Situations like these are never simple and there are many different perspectives to consider. A simple reality that Americans need to accept is that Wars are not simple, clean, or glorious as we expect them to be, and this one is no different. Anyone who was expecting this conflict to be quick and easy needs to accept reality. Going to war against Saddam Hussein's regime was never going to be easy, and stabilizing Iraq post-Saddam is no different. Regardless of whether or not the United States was right in entering Iraq, we did. It's irresponsible to debate about the beginning of the war to the excent that we forget about the war today. We are in Iraq whether we want to be or not, and we must complete the mission we set out for. The simple, harsh, and unrelenting truth is that we cannot leave Iraq just because we are tired of the difficulties of war. If the United States were to withdraw from Iraq, the country would likely descend into complete chaos, leading to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis. The sectarian tensions in Iraq today are causing Iraqis to lose their lives, but the sectarian conflicts today do not even begin to compare to what would occur if Iraq were to collapse into endless civil war. The United States cannot abandon Iraq. We have a responsibility to rebuild a nation we invaded. We have a responsibility to restore government to Iraq, because we are the ones who toppled their government to begin with. The death of every American soldier is a tragic loss, make no mistake of that, but we must honor the American men and women who have given their lives so that the mission in Iraq might be called a success, and this means perservering through the trials of the war, and supporting our soldiers. Mistakes have been made in Iraq, and those responsible must be made to answer for their mistakes, and history will remember these mistakes. Yet, we must ask, how will history remember the conclusion of this war? Will it be remembered as a war that ended with our soldiers returning home triumphant, or abandoning Iraq to a fate of unending conflict? We must stand strong. The battle is not over, the battle is not lost. Let it be known to the heroic people of Iraq, the citizens of the world, and to every terrorist in Iraq that the United States of America will not back down, not until every Iraqi can call themselves free.
Our tax dollars would be better spent on good hospital and nursing care of the thousands of vets returning from Iraq. We should leave Iraq NOW.
So Bush wants to send in more US troops to "solve" the civil war he started by originally sending in US Troops? I expect that if China and Russia invaded the US, killed all of our current political "leaders" and their families, selected Chinese-leaning replacements and attempted to prop up a "new" government that there would be some resistance by the local residents. Then if they labeled all "resistance" as "terrorists" the killings would go on for quite some time. Unfortunately there are so many more Chinese. But on the bright side, Bush would be tried by a "fair trial", found guilty and hanged.
Jane, I really admire the reporting that you have done from the Middle East. You are part of an excellent Middle East Bureau. It is a complicated war,but I hope it comes to a peaceful end soon. For everyone involved. Please stay safe Jane!
You said two things in your blog I didn't quite follow: 1. "So why is it that this young father, a quite typical Iraqi, isn't allowed to mourn all the people he knows who have died?" 2. "I would assume that people who use the word "fraud" so easily aren't really open to other opinions but since a blog is by nature a bit more personal, let me tell you a bit about my credentials." For #1--Who are earth ever said that Iraqis aren't "allowed to mourn?" Are you playing the Bush game of setting up a strawman that doesn't exist? At the very least, you could be clear about the origin of your statement for those of us who are not avid followers of your blog, but who are shown part of it on MSNBC's news. Well, maybe the problem is MSNBC's, and not yours--anyway, a little background would have cleared up the mystery and made your piece far more compelling. For #2--You said, "people who use the word "fraud" so easily" but you did not identify what people. Iraqis, US government officials, reporters? By reading several lines more, I believe that you mean that 'some people' (whoever they are) don't believe reporters are telling the truth about the absolutely horrible, nightmarish conditions in Iraq, especially Bagdad. I am very grateful that you have the courage to be where you are and to perform your journalistic duties. But for heaven's sake, be more clear in your writing! Don't make us have to fill in for your writing inadequacies! And thank you so very much for trying to convey what's really going on over there.
Does anyone in Iraq goto work? goto schools? goto mosques? goto movies? goto shopping cenetrs, banks? do they get paid? All we hear and read is constant violence and bombings, murders and kidnappings? No reports on any normal semblanc of life. It is indeed amazing.
Prince Harry is going to be sent to Iraq and the next day the British say they are pulling out! Maybe we could get Bush to leave by enlisting his daughters in the army.Just a thought!
Reporter,s are the next thing to beening there! IT seeming to me,the best thing to do is let theIraq police there own self and let our Soldiers Live and (GOD FORBID)Die as Soldiers. They are not policemen.If you want law and order in Iraq then you must face reality that alot of Soldiers,Iraqs and any living thing in that War Zone will die! BUT you can TRUST that our Soldiers will have both LAW and there will be ORDER.
Why is President Bush so hell bent on sending more troops when England is withdrawing thier's? It's time we get back to finding Bin Laden and bring him to justice for 9/11.
Dont worry about Iraq. Start getting ready for Iran. There is no peaceful solution. We did not invade to create peace? There is a lot of money and power at stake here. Things are going to get worse before they get better.
The real issue here is we have a president, and his administration, who were and still are living in some kind of dream world. Bear in mind Bush headed up two failed business ventures before he assumed his failed presidency. The only reason we are still there is he cannot find a way out of the mess he created and save face. That's all this is about at this point. Politics and saving face. Compassionate Conservatives (an oxymoron) have no concern about suffering, dying and death as long as there is a dollar to be made - and they are not doing the suffering and dying. Bush and his supporters think this is a sporting event where rooting for your team is the all important thing. Never mind the damage done.
all humans are made in Gods image so we mourn the loss of them but as far as the one person who said musslims arent terorist wake up and smell the coffee 99.9 percent of terrorist are musslim and the religon of islam is behind the attacks of sept 11th so yes we want peace but how can there ever be peace when islam is the religon of the sword and take a look around the world islam spreads their religon of accept it or we will cut off your head ok go ahead because Lord willing we will never surrender
Many Americans by nature are not prone to dig and learn the real lessons of politics, economics and foreign policy. Books such as "state of denial" and "Fiasco" go unread for the most part. In this day and age of instant global communications, we rely more and more on our professional journalists to keep us informed. Jane Arraf does a great job of doing just that! Journalists such as William Kristol and Joe Klein join Jane in providing us the facts; whether we like them or not. Many thanks to all the journalists who are so often un-appreciated for the work they do and the risks they take!
Contrary to popular belief, we won't have a full perspective on this war for another 10 years. The idea that Iraq and the Middle East in general, was and would have been this benevolent, inclusive region, at peace with modernity and the West, is at best naive. I believe military conflict in the region was inevitable for some many apparent reasons that it's not worth stating. The failed policy was 60 years of inaction and placating which led to 9/11. It's time people refrain from the emotional, the Bush hatred and the conspriacy theories and look at this policy in a broad, long term view. Until then, our instant gratification culture will lead to us on a harder path years to come.
"we reporters are the closest thing you've got to being here"...this statement is incredibly arrogant. You, madam, are not the closest that we Americans have to being there. Our brothers, sisters, fathers, mothers, et al in arms are the closest "things" that we Americans have to being there. Rather than reporting truths void of an agenda, you're agenda is glaringly obvious in your reporting to those of us that are intellectually honest. There is nothing wrong with agreeing or disagreeing with the war in Iraq. You are an American, and you have that right. But you don't have the right to allow your "feelings" to influence the way you present your reports. As an objective reporter, you never should have made the claim that hundreds of thousands of civilians have perished in Iraq. Rather you should have stated a more specific figure, or cited your source of information for the broad figures that you gave. This is a subtle example of your bias. It's sad to say that this has become completely consistent with your employer. I do respect your bravery, and I pray for your safety.
"Blood is still blood and human beings are still human beings," --- This statement rings true. History changes, but humanity stays the same. Check out an animated history of the middle east over at www.mapsofwar.com
What I find interesting is the talk that has evolved since the invasion. From "mission accomplish", "our troops will soon be coming home" to hearing of "one year deployments" to "extended deployments", from "our troops will have the tools to get the job done" now hearing we never had enough troops to even start the job.....and just to know that the TOP planners of this war forcast just 5,000 troops in Iraq by the end of 2006. Everyday that goes by the truth stares us in the face.
I grow weary of being told that to honor and support the troops we must continue to maim, kill, and ravage the people of Iraq. The "insurgents" are IRAQIS. The actual number of Al Queda operatives is small, even our own military has said this. The IRAQIS are pissed because we blew up their country. According to Islam, the presence of foreign soldiers on their lands, considered holy, is cause for war. Thsi is not a new revelation. This is not complicated. As far back as the 1800's, we noted the extreme difference in our cultures. So what changed? Did we forget somehow? I am sure the fat, stupid, and lazy American population was more engrossed in American Idol or 24 to pay attention to real history and geopolitical events. We do not honor those whose lives have been altered or ended by killing more people. We honor them by learning the lessons we should have learned following our other imperialistic wars of aggression. We honor them by learning that no longer can America force itself on the peoples of the world at gunpoint. We honor them by not making this mistake again. We honor them by living and practicing true democratic and American ideals here at home, and by setting an example for the world. Jesus did not convert people at sword tip, he lived what he preached and gave others the option of following. We have choice. Do set an example, or do we continue the butcher the world in the name of democracy? I believe the dead would wish the former.
Forget Iraq, considering the rate the U.S has gone to war since WWII, it is time to ask when is the next one and who will be a target. Grab a dictionary and randomly throw words together, and walah! You have found a reason to wage war. The tougher criteria is: Do you have the means? And do you have to answer to anyone? With U.S being the richest country in the world, and the republican party dominating all U.S polical institutions before the Iraq war, then the answer to these two questions are obviously YES & NO respectively. At an age of instant gratification (remote, 30 min pizza, 1 min microwave) who really has the time for years of diplomatic grind. As George W. Bush said it: "Bring it on!"
I am sick and tired of reporters presenting themselves as experts on this because they are there and see the carnage and then use their "expert" status to validate their opinions as the only valid ones simply because they are there. Whenever there is an observation made that the reporters only report the bad news, they take it personally, much like the Ms. Arraf, and try to claim the mantle that they are the victims. I remember when the news simply reported the facts and let the viewer decide. Now the reporters present editorial opinions as news and feign righteous indignation when the partisanship of views is questioned. A history professor I had a few months back presented a "news" articvle written by a reporter bemoaning how they had been cast as partisans and that somehow they had been exonerrated by the recent elections here. This vindication apparently was because after saying how bad the war was going day after day after day, the American public had somehow tired of it and felt very pessimistic. They had created a self fulfilling prophecy and then reported on it as if it was news. It is true that no good news makes it ouft of Iraq. Not that there isn't good things happening, we just don't get to hear about them. Case in point. I read a while back about a bomb going off at the opening celebration of a new waste water treatment plant. The only reason that anyone even heard about the plant opening was because of the bombing. That isn't media bias? I certainly feel compassion for the "anonymous" co-worker's sense of insecurity. I can understand why this person wants to stay under the radar. But the glut of stories attributed to "unnamed high ranking officials" also makes me wonder iof this is another Jayson Blair type of composite of bits and pieces of real stories cobbled together into a story of a person that doesn't actually exist. Is this just my cynicism, or is it the result of the media no longer presenting the facts and letting me decide or a case of not only leading the horse to water but shiving its nose down into it and making it drink. The reporting should be fair and balanced. The stories should be factual. Unfortunately Ms. Arraf has made this story about her by her editorializing. which, by the way, is perfectly acceptable in the editorial context of a blog. But too often the line is blurred between what is "news" and what is simply the opinion of a reporter.
62 million of you voted him in last time around.Now its time too leave? It's costing so much!The deathtoll is too high! Are you safer? Whos to blame? I think you likely know....
We can settle this debate really easy.... We ARE STAYING! No matter what you do, what you say, how you feel, its not going to change a thing. We have a job to do, right or wrong and we are going to do it. And since when did reporters ever report anything good when it comes to war? Tough question isnt it. If you want to know what kind of good things are going on, go find a soldier and ask them, we will kindly tell you that kids go to school, markets are filled with shoppers and vendors. There is more of a local economy there than they ever had prior to us ever going there. Quit complaining about how your money is being spent, mine is spent there too. Just quit complaining, I am tired of reading, listening, seeing the negativity of the American people about all of this. Did people really do this when we went to war in Europe and Japan? I really dont think so. Everyone pitched in and helped, either they joined or they manufactured equipment and supplies to help the war effort. Things would be different if Americans rallied up and showed support for the troops AND the WAR. Things would be a lot different and attitudes of our enemies would be different too. It would be really neat to see 850 million plus AMERICANS stand up and put in some effort instead of whining and complaining. I know that Americans support our troops and bringing us home to safety is a noble feeling and sounds good. Thats support alright. But, when its our butts on the line and we have a job to do, let us do our job. Its what we train for. No battlefield is the same, and it takes time to adapt to the enemy. This is our fight and our chance to make it right. When people say that we already lost and there is no reason to be there, it means that we failed our mission. Well let me tell you, WE DONT FAIL. Stand up and be proud and support us like we want, regardless of who the president is or what he has done, its our fight and we are going to fight till victory.
Its odd that this blog seems to be a response to some of the comments on her last blog. Its also odd that such poor journalism and writing (especially without the context of the original comments to understand where the blogger is coming from)would get a mink on the MSN main page. Its become common knowledge that NBC has a far left agenda. I guess thats why this blogger wont post my comments. Even though I am far from right wing. Far left liberals cannot tolerate logic and truth in any debate so the squash it all together if possible. If not, they just attack the integrity of opposition.
This is a very sad testimony to the bloody mess that is Iraq, which America has contributed to with American lives, American armament, and billions of American dollars, all for the benefit of a privileged few. Will there EVER be any accountability? History will show this war for the bloody blunder it is, actually engineered and executed with deception by a minority who are drunk on their power, self perceived abilities and righteousness, always with a profit margin in sight. The right wing zealots made a huge mistake by tacking faith to this fiasco because this is not of God. We, as a country, will pay a severe price for this while the "profiteers" laugh their way to the banks praising God for their "blessings." What a tragedy.
The legacy of the Bush Administration is that it is the grandchildren of the current generation that will pay the terrible price for the arrogance, incompetence, shortsightedness, and ignorance that was inherent in this "adventure." The destabilization of a major part of the world will be an albatross that will hang around our necks for decades to come.
First of all, to Jane Arraf, you are awesome for being so responsive to the comments on your blog. At the same time we should all try not to get bogged down by defending ourselves against cranks and bullies and hacks. Your writing shows a thoughtful, compassionate viewpoint that is scarce in the media these days. The kind of peurile cynycism and vitriol that you find in online comments is indicative of the mental and emotional debasement that is an unfortunate side-effect of our so-called information age. On top of this, if you sift through enough coverage of the Iraq war you keep hearing the same things. You start to see patterns in the way people write. There was one commenter whose tone was almost a mirror image of a certain pugilistic television personality. (Watch out for the use of 'madam' coupled with a self-righteous superpatriotic scolding!) There is an authentic public sphere of discource in this country. There is also alot of debate within that sphere which is not authentic. Artifical debate which is part of a formula for a depoliticized population. Some of the other active ingredients in this vicious concoction are: 1) a frustrated, isolated public, 2) demagogues spouting off under the guise of contrived objectivity, 3) repitition repitition repitition 4) Demonization 5)polarizing the issue 6)personal attacks. There is no such thing as objective journalism. If someone tells you they are objective and they are not a physicist, they are lying to you. Journalism is not a scientific profession. It is a participation in the contemporary narrative. A journalist makes value-judgements about what is important, what is relevant. An honest journalist reveals his or her bias and an authentic, competent journalist usually has the ability to justify that bias based on rational or moral arguements. Jane Arraf clearly does that.
It's too bad that there's not a way of reporting about the good things that our men and women are doing there in Iraq. Why do soldiers continue to go back multiple times? Because the mission is not finished. I'm just so sorry that the American people who embrace the simplistic idea that withdrawal is a solution fail to get any news of the daily conflicts that were avoided and prevented because of our presence. There's no news reports about that because, well...who wants to read about how millions of people went to their jobs, kids who went to their schools, friends who met for lunch, people who went about their business safely...when it's more dramatic to read about bombings? How stupid are we to succumb to the obvious ploy of the extremists who know that all they have to do is blow something up and their actions will continue to show up on the news reports? That's exactly what they want...publicity. And, no, you won't read about the hundreds of times a day that something good happened, how our soldiers and civilians diverted disasters by working with the Iraqis who do want this mission to succeed. You have no idea how many times a day good things happen or bad things are prevented -- because these things are not reported by the media. Sheesh, I wonder how many Americans at home during WWII were saying things like "Why should we care what happens to those foreign Jews? They are way over THERE and what does their fate have to do with US over here?" Thank God, instead, we cared enough to follow through with that mission in spite of those at home who did not understand or think that we should put American soldiers in harm's way for the sake of those who were suffering genocide at the hands of madmen. Thank God for those soldiers who were willing to give their lives for a just mission. Shame on those who do not see that Iraqi people are our brothers and sisters worthy of our help in spite of the complexity of the mission. Shame on those who think our military is not up to the task of a complex mission. Shame on those who think that withdrawal is an option -- tell that to the families of those who have already given their lives, who are living with injuries. "Oh, sorry for your sacrifice but we decided to give up because it was too complicated."
Bush and Cheney had this war in mind back when they were running for office the first time around. How convenient that 9/11 happened as it did and that Bush used this as a round about way to go to war with/in Iraq. Now that Bush has made this tremendous error, the US has embedded itself in the Middle East in a way that is reminiscent of Vietnam, a war which JFK started in much the same way that Bush has started this war. America should get over its WWII mentality. That was then, this is now. That was a different era, a different time with different motivations and different outcomes. Trying to glorify the successes of WWII by constantly thinking it can be relived by creating wars to spread deomcracy is misguided, to say the least. I still believe that the first time Bush was elected was a fraud. I know, we should all just get over it, but I think his appointment and presidency has been about the representation of in-your-face power. It is disconcerting that the military must be used for such a lost cause as the conflict in Iraq is turning out to be. There are stories to be told from this region, but I really haven't heard much except that the media must extract from every American soldier's death the personal sacrifice that has been made and that in comparison to the mostly nameless Iraqi's who have died, ours is the greater and more distressing loss, because we are supposedly fighting a war for the institutionalization of democracy in a country that still exists within its factional social framework. As the reasons for this war have transitioned from being about nuclear weapons to now fighting for its democratic salvation, the administration's lack of authority in conceptualizing, instituting, and maintaining it grows weaker and weaker. And yet, it is still going on.
On Janes last blog; Pei Chuan Koay asked: "Q: Why did Bush I stop short of taking over Baghdad after Schwartzkopf and our troops routed the Iraqi republican forces during the first Gulf War? A: Because he heeded the wise counsel that toppling Saddam Hussein would pit Shiites and Sunnis against each other triggering a civil war. Bush II did not and now we have an "insurgency."" >>>Good question, bad answer. He did not because it was part of the cease fire agreement. It was international politics and Bush senior made a mistake that Bush junior tried to fix. Unfortunately the situation over the past 12 years deteriorated severly and allowing for the quagmire it is today because Bush senior did not follow through with ousting Saddam then. Certainly Bush juniors' outlook was rather optimistic but that does not diminish the righteousness with which we decided to remove Saddam from power. 1:To enforce U.N. resolutions that he blatantly violated many times. 2:To liberate the Iraqi people and bring liberty and democracy to a region that through subjigation was breeding the terrorist mindset. :3To establish a west freindly democracy centrally located in the region. Its all very simple and straight forward. "Q: Why have the community of nations and the Muslim world (most of whom are NOT Arab, by the way) not question our continued engagement with Afghanistan? A: Because Afghanistan was the site of an al-Qaeda base and training camp and Osama bin-Laden was said to have fled there after 9/11 bombing of NYC and DC." >>>True. But if some people beleive we are in Iraq because of oil should not the same logic apply as to why there is little objection to why we are in Afaganistan?(no oil) Of course the oil argument is baseless but certainly oil plays a factor as it is a rather integral commodity and any interuption to its flow can destabilize the WORLD economy not just ours. Not to mention its the oil revenues that bring power to these radical regimes.
I am deeply grateful for all the journalists and support staff working in Iraq. It is a very dangerous assignment and if these brave people had not been willing to undertake it, we would have only the administration's word on the situation on the ground. Members of the press have been kidnapped, killed,and injured in explosions and attacks, all in the effort to tell us the truth. And what they get for their efforts is ridicule and disparagement. I weep for our country and the deeply cynical, polarized people who refuse to entertain any point of view other than their own. Being willing to walk a mile in the shoes of the Iraqis (as the original post tried to show us) makes us more compassionate for what everyday life is like for these poor people. Why people like T. Hill are threatened by this, baffles me. It doesn't have to be everybody's experience in Iraq - it just has to be his experience that he is relating to us. And the fact that he could share with us his fear and pain, his constant worry for his friends and family, and then be ripped to shreds for it by faceless posters who smugly think they know better, makes me very sad. Our original mission was supposed to be one of compassion for the Iraqi people, seeking to make life better for them. That compassion should not stop when we hear things we don't want to acknowledge are true.
I congratulate myself----pat--pat--! It seems I hit a nerve around these parts. Many of you here are merely sheep following the same old journalistic fraud. It's real easy for a journalist to take one emotional account of an event and make it appear as a whole but what is even easier is getting the fools to buy into this fraud. Even the liberal site Iraq Body Count can't conjure up 100,000+ so who's trying to fool who? Compassion is not listening to every sad story someone can make up then pretending you really care just because you are trying to make everyone believe you really care. In terms of war this is very low level in both damage and body count on all sides so for all the libs who need their fix of crybaby formula stick with Darfur and leave the War On Terror to the professionals. I stand by my original assessment so rip away!


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