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Pakistan and U.S. - still best of friends?

Posted: Friday, January 19, 2007 10:27 AM
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Pakistan and the United States have been shoulder to shoulder in fighting al-Qaida and Taliban militants in the rugged mountains between Pakistan and Afghanistan since the U.S. declared its war on terror in 2001. But five years down the road there seems to be some strains in the relationship between the allies.

Two strikes within a week on suspected al-Qaida targets by the U.S. forces inside Pakistani territory followed accusations by U.S. military and intelligence officials that Pakistan wasn’t doing enough to root out terrorism within its borders.

'Hot pursuit'
Under an agreement known as "hot pursuit," the government of Pakistan has given tacit approval to U.S. forces based in Afghanistan to chase down and attack al-Qaida and Taliban targets wherever they are spotted, even inside Pakistani territory. Sources close to the Pakistani military tell NBC News this agreement is deeply unpopular within the military ranks.

Pakistani military spokesman Gen Shaukat Sultan said it was Pakistan army gunship helicopters that carried out the attacks on three suspected training camps in a desolate area of south Waziristan on Tuesday. He said the same thing the previous week when missiles were fired on an alleged Taliban supply convoy as it tried to cross the border from Pakistan into Afghanistan.

But sources tell NBC News that, in both the cases, the Pakistani military never took part in the actual operation. U.S. drones fired precision-guided bombs to destroy their targets. The Pakistanis arrived later for mop-up operations. 

Eyewitnesses from nearby villages in south Waziristan said they saw drones circling overhead before Tuesday’s attack and said Pakistani gunship helicopters reached the area 20-30 minutes after the bombing.

"The Pakistani helicopters circled over the destroyed compound for a while and left without landing or firing," an eyewitness said in a telephone interview.

Not sharing all info
Sources within the Pakistan military say the army is given advance notice of a U.S. strike, but with a limited margin of time.

U.S. officials have long said that they share 90 percent of their information with Pakistanis. But senior U.S. officials say they have been disturbed by the Pakistani government's willingness to make deals with local tribal leaders, deals that limit Pakistani military operations in the area. 

In fact, the United States has seen evidence of groups of militants, including foreign fighters, gathering in the tribal areas for training.  While the United States does not like the idea that the fighters think they have found safe harbor in those areas, they also note it can provide U.S. and Pakistani military units with a new set of targets.  

U.S. forces in Afghanistan believe that Pakistani forces manning the frontier between Pakistan and Afghanistan often turn a blind eye to the cross-border traffic of Taliban fighters.

Trust issue
A Pakistani intelligence officer, speaking on condition of anonymity, told NBC News that the Americans should have more trust in their Pakistani allies and there is a need for better communication and coordination especially when it comes to military operations on Pakistani soil.

After all, the official said, these two recent military operations conducted over a period of four days had a huge impact on the local communities in the tribal areas and across the country.

And while there may be some doubt about who carried out the attacks in the border regions, they were certainly carried out with U.S. weaponry.

These attacks can fuel the heated rhetoric stirred up by the very powerful Islamic political parties in Pakistan against the United States and U.S. policies in this region as well as in Iraq. The outcome is that an ever-increasing number of Pakistanis appear to be losing trust in the United States as a friend of Pakistan.

Robert Windrem, NBC News' Senior Investigative Producer, contributed to this report.

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Well its a bit unfair to look at it from wild perspectives. If you look closer Pakistan has gone after those elements on the northern borders with afghanistan and has lost hundreds of soldiers to roadside bombings. It then decided to pass intel to America who attacked on the camp yet in retaliation more Pakistani soldiers were killed via a suicide bomb. So Pakistan tried an even better method and that was to tell NATO when to expect talibans to be crossing. In all honesty Pakistan has caught more terrorists than any other country in the war on terrorism including America and if Pakistan was actually not being a friend then we wouldnt be continuing to support them internally but condemning them in the media. It workd for all sides to do so. Its sad when people start writing without proper knowledge of the region. Americans need to educate themselves more about the world outside its borders.
Pakistan has been the most important ally in the war on terror and has done far more then we would ever like credit them. More Pakistani soldiers have died fighting the war on terror then any other country in that area, including the US. The Taliban are crossing over to Pakistan because the US and Afghan military cannot stop them. And yet we expect Pakistan to seal the entire border, which is impossible. Its unfortunate that even after all that Pakistan has done for US, it gets blamed for everything.
It seems to me that factions within the pakistani army does not want to help us kill or capture these terrorists. I guess we really dont have many friends there.
In an underdeveloped and Islamic country like Pakistan, which is comprised of various nationalities and , yes some are tribes, it is very hard to keep all people happy. On top of that, you got U.S troops killing both guilty and innocent people, it too risky to let such hostile forces even operate in their country. U.S should concentrate on making friends rather than enemies around the world.
Pakitstan sides with the tribal leaders in Afghanistan, and really has more resources to stop terror in the region. By being a Muslim country are scared of the fall out from other Muslim countries and local tribal leaders.Pakistan has been the source for many years of Terroist and Millitans alike that hate us policy and rhetoric.
People like Stanley from chicago forget that if it were not for Pakistan, most high level Al-Quaida figures would still be at large. We should also remember that Osama and many of his terrorist comrades were trained and armed by CIA and left there hanging after Soviet forces retreated from Afghanistan. Many people would argue that its not Pakistan but US that is untrustworthy and its not Pakistan but Israel that is the source of terrorism -by repeatedly attacking or provoking neighboring countries or through its strong jewish lobby in US, making US to attack countries like Iraq and now trying to do the same with Iran.
You reap what you sow. Don't forget this started with driving the Soviet out of Afganistan and the ludcirous amount of RPG and AK47s supplied to the hodge podge bunch of non-Afghani and Afghani Tribal fighthers. Now there is surplus arms, guess where they are being used? Especially, since there is no economy, education, social services. Guns can settle a lot of things very quickly. We need to think seriously before acting, knee jerk kinetic actions and tactical alliances rarely pay. Well, our childres will pay for all this. Wakeup!. Please!
When one person point out a particular nation as a whole to be the source of terrorism is surly becoming a a media victom ... so far pakistan has done more than its own capacity to wash out the dirt that was produced in the 1980's (God knows who was behind it). Targeting directly wont solve the issue , one needs to know the crux of the problem in these remote mountains and combate it altogether by this i mean pakistan and afghanistan as a whole. The fun thing is watching pakistana nd india shaking hands and hugging on the real border and back bitting through afghanistan as afghanistan's speaking the language of india. Its high time that the REAL afghans should be given there alnd back . and NO ONE else be deprived from its land irrespective of any nation. btw i really dont like Politics of any country in this 21st century. God bless us all. Ameen
American foreign policy often seems to favor the moment not the principles or goals of our republic. Pakistan is a prime example. In the early 1970s,the Pakistani military massacred 1-3 million Bengalis, 13 million or more fled what was then East Pakistan. One would think this would have brought to rest Pakistan's claim that it represented Muslims in the Indian subcontinent, never mind that more Muslims reside in India than in Pakistan today. Now that same Pakistani military claims to represent Muslims in Kashmir. Muslims in India have more rights that Muslims in Pakistan. Further, that same military has used the Islamic fascists to murder thousands of civilians in India, men, women and children. Next, it focused upon Afghanistan, seekng to make it a Pakistani satellite. Well, if this goes according to all other Pakistani plans, it is headed for disaster for Pakistan, and rightly so. Once a mass murdering military, always a military capable of mass murder. Pakistan, under American heat, will give up a few hapless Taliban or Al Quaida, but never stop its support for them. I thought America favored democracies. Of course, it can be argued that better Musharraf, a tin horn dictator, than the Islamic fascist alternative, but again, such momentary strategies always fail in the worst way possible. The United States of America should support democracy, not useless dictatorships that cannot even keep the peace within their national boundaries. India is a greater ally than Pakistan, a failed state, can ever be. And now that Afghans and Indians see Pakistan for what it is, a thuggish state, the United States risks alienating allies at a time it can ill afford to.
It is interesting as partners in this war how different of a viewpoint each side has. Recommended reading is Musharraf's book "In the Line of Fire". You will get a lot better idea where the other side is coming from on this. The reality is without Musharraf as an ally, the situation in the region could be vastly worse. People should really find out what kind of pressure that he is under.
stanley, you're so right. Far more dangerous than Iraq ever was, and we don't have to guess about their nuclear weapons -- they got em. Very fundamentalist country. Instead of attacking and destabilizing Iraq we should have sent in a delta force team to Pakistan to neutalize those weapons. Missed opportunity for a failure of a president
Pakistan is not a friend to America, Pakistan is trapped America, They [Pakistan] are playing two rules 1. protecting and training terrorist and 2. saying they are helping to America on 'war on terrorism and taking lot of aid and funds for that in result not allowing America to get in to the contry and not putting fooling America. Pakistan is a key place terrorism and very dangerous country in the continent. and America has to think and get in to the country and catch the terrorists.
nuke the entire region/ would real people ever object?
I think the issue is whether the short-term 'advantage' of getting the 'enemy' is worth the long-term disadvantage of generating hatred on the Moslem street. I think it's not, but only time will tell.
No country in the world has promoted global terrorism as much as Pakistan. The Taliban today would not have the resources with which to attack NATO and ISAF forces in Afghanistan without the support, re-supply,training and financing by the Pakistani military. Unfortunately, there are still many relics from the cold war in the State Department who continue to promote Pakistan as an ally - at the expense of American and allied soldiers' lives.
Pakistan can't have it both ways, allies in the war against terror but also harbinger of those who commit it. If there is an agreement for us to attack Taliban and other terrorist targets along the border in Pakistan then we should be able to do this without their complaint. After all we are both fighting for the same goal, right?
As long as there is no political stabilty Pakistan will always be a Terrorist producing nation. With the present climate I don't expect to see any changes in the near future. Poverty, Lack of proper education system and inferiority complex compared to India are also major contributers to the present situation. The way thing are Pakistan is and will be a Terror nation for a long time to come.
The most ironic part of this whole relationship is that Pakistan is NOT a Democracy....it is a military government. Musharraf (sp?) has a very tenuous grip on the country. Many in the military hate everything about the U.S. and he has a very tenuous grip on the country. He's playing both ends against the middle. I work for a Pakistani owned company and it is pretty clear that he is trying to appease those with the money who want the benefits of American business dealings. Yet he's got a country full of very, very poor people who are devout Muslims and loathe all things Western, especially the U.S. I frankly think he is well aware of what is going on with terrorists within his country and is allowing it to happen because he doesn't want to upset that fragile balance. It could go very badly for us if he is overthrown by his own military.
Stanley shows the same kind of stupidity shown by US press and government. He forgets why terrorism, which has hurt Pakistan more than any one else, is the direct result of the US high tailing out of the area, after the Afghan war, leaving behind CIA trained killers on their own, who were then known as the Maujhideen, and are known as the Al-Quida and the Taliban. Stanley should stop reading comic books, and wathing FOX news, and read a book or two. Pascal, St.Petersburg, Fl.
It is strange that our government has not figured out that we are being USED both by PAkistan and Saudis to do their dirty work to root out muslim extremists or their political opponents as is the case in Saudi Arabia at our expense and for their leaders to stay in power. The U.S. has still not figured out how the muslim mind works. They will agree with you and then out of clear blue will make a U-turn to look good in the eyes and minds of their fellow muslim brothers. We have see that happen several times with Pakistani, Iraqi leaders and Saidis. We in the west will hasitate to bad mouth the person who puts food on our table. It is time for the US government to wake up really question their motives.
Pakistan is the best friend that the United States has ever had. One need to read the history of US, Pakistan relationship. From Gary Powers to mutual treaty of CENTO and SEATO to Afganistan war. Pakistan has not been a fair weather friend of the United States. It is granted that at present there is anti American feelings in Pakistan at this time but we need to analyze the whole range of issuse. Hopefully Pakistanis and Americans could resolve all the issues and US would be popular again.
Pakistan is part of teh terror problem. Tere gov and people provide training and support. Yet our gov is to blind to see. The pakistanis have been invovled in terrorism for a long time. Look at the terrorist activities they conduct against India or the creation and training of the Taliban.We should have let India go to war against pakistan and take care of the terror problem in that country.
Question: Where is the best hiding place for Bin Laden and his co-hordes? Answer: Either the summer palast or the guest house of the President of Palistan. How naive are we and for how long?
How can a nation supporting terrorism (Kashmir), be a nation fighting terrorism along with us?
Without the 5000+ terrorists that Pakistan has captured and handed to the US in the last 5 years, or the 800+ soldiers that the Pakistany Army has lost in the Waziristran Tribal areas in last 2 years fighting Afghans (where millions of Afghan refugees have been living for 25+ years and have been instrunmental in making Heroin and Klalashinkof part of the Pakistany Culture), most Americans would not be able to sleep comfortably without Pakistan's help.. Millions of Afghan refugees also live in Pakistany Cities(since 1978) and have been the core, if not the only, reason for bringing Talibanization to Pakistan. The people of NWFP (North West Frontier Province)province on Pakistan and Waziristan area are Pashtuns (same ethnicity which is a majority 60% ethnicity of Afghanistan and the ethnicity of Mr. Karzai). There needs to be a political solution to this problem. There is no army solution alone. It has to be army and political solution combuned. Blaming Pakistan who already has an enemy on the West and whoes forces 80K+ are now deployed on the East, with limited resources(a third world country), is not going to solve the problem. Kashmir: Mr. Nehru, the ex-prime minister of India in 1940s signed papers under UN umbrella and promised Kashmiris to provide a plesbisite opportunity to Kashmiris who live under the Indian Control and where according to UN, Indian forces killed 90,000 "Civilians" between 1981 and 1992. India has never offered the promised plesbisite(Democracy) to Kashmiry people. For those who have faught War of Independence from the British, We should understand and diferenctiate between legitimate aspirations of people around the world for FREEDOM. There are some elements that are extremists or terrorists among all Independence movements around the world but that should not delegitamize the need for Common civilians to seek freedom for themselves. Terrorists should be dealt with differently and with full force than the aspirations of common people. Rather they be Chechens(fighting for Independence for 400 years), kashmiris, or Palestinians, or Sri Lankans etc. All movements that we, the US, supported for last 50 years up until 9/11.
Pakistan has always been the REAL enemy of The United States. But the current US government is either too stupid to recognize this or slept with Pakistani goverment to excercise the 9/11 tragedy and then the subsequent hold over the gullible and fightened Americans by ruling with manufactured propaganda of fear. Yes, Pakistan is the Source of Al-Queda. Either Musharraf really fooled Dick & Bush, or all three conspired against America to re-instate the corrupt Republican power.
al-Qaeda is an enemy of Pervez Musharraf, so he has an interest in taking out the militant group as much as we do. I think Musharraf is stuck in a rock and a hard place: his American ally is fighting a war on terror, whereas the majority of Pakistani citizens dislike America and would rather harbor the terrorists. I think all governments should actively work together to rid this world of terrorism, but us twisting people's arm isn't the most effective way of doing it (like we're doing to Musharraf). We should have formed an agreement with all anti-terrorist countries to actively put our heads together to fight terrorism. Instead we're going at it alone and it's not work. A bilateral approach to the situation would also provide a "we're in it together attitude". Us going at it alone allow our enemies (like Ahmadinejeb and Chavez) to take capitalize and publicize all of our mistakes.
"PAkistan has always been the source of terrorism in the modern world - They are using Kashmir as an excuse to bluff the world" I am impressed you said that. I do agree with you. This is absolutely true
Pakistan is a country of extreme poverty. The man running took over is a bloodless coup. It is a dictatorship that had a mock election several years ago, so they could be deemed a democracy and be a friend of the USA, because the USA does not to business with a dictatorship. Its a country in limbo, the Pakistani President has to carefully balance his friendship with the West and the Internal military and governmental issues of hatred towards the West, meanwhile dodging assassination attempts and eventually it all crumble.
If it was not for for Pakistan and the Talibaans USSR Would be still the superpower
Nuke the middle east till it glowes you will never fix that area.
If we change our foreign policy, there won't be any "terror camps" so to speak. Just my two-cents. These people aren't making "terror camps" just for the heck of it, they are fighting for a cause. The cause happens to be the Isreali/Palestanian conflict. Yes, even ALL the way in Pakistan, this is the ROOT of the issues. The Middle East feels slighted and pushed aside. We fail to realize that. What do we plan to do? Take out EVERY middle eastern nation? Kill millions of innocent people because we want to wipe out terrorism? Change the foreign policy and you'll change so much more. We may be a super power now, but we sure are making a whole heck of a lot of enemies.
We Americans see terroism and we want to rightly search and destroy it. The Muslims, regardless of their pursuation do not see eye to eye with us. They see their religion,culture and even sovereignity being eroded.This dilemma will last a long time,for we do not necessarily have the peoples of many Islamic and non-Islamic nations on our side. In Afghanistan we might have squandered it,even if our intent and actions elsewhere were noble.
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As Churchill once said "There are no permanent friends or permanent enemies. There are only permanent interests". This is so true when it comes to politics. Who is Pakistan to us? Just a handful of politicians who love (or use) US??!! These politicians cant do much about the fabric of the society into which is interwoven the Islamic Fundamentalism. The divide is between this group and world. Mush has to dance with both US and the fundamentalists. So, the country as such can never be a 'best friend' until the whole society loves US, like India, which irrespective of minor political differences has such strong trade and technological relationship. Even at individual level. Sad State, that US has to sleep with the enemy.
70% illiteracy, a country owned by less than 3% of its population, tribal mindsets, suppression of individual identity, corruption, perversion, an inherent inferiority complex that FORCES us to join sides with those who appear more powerful than ourselves, what the hell else do you expect with such a country? I live in Islamabad, the capitol of this sad and sorry land, and trust me a bigger hive of self indulgence you aint never seen. Its all face value, something to please the infinite number of cameras watching the country's every move. The shiny cars, the big buildings (when they arent even pressed for space!), its all to lull the minds of the western observers (And by that i mean the hopeless schmucks in the Bush Administration) into thinking the country is PROGRESSING and is MODERN and LIBERAL and bla bla bla. Trust me the only institution working in this Godforsaken hell hole is the ISI, that would be our secret service, and their agenda is STRICTLY pro-islamic. Musharraf loves his partying and all that money from the book sales TOO F***ING MUCH to actually give a crap about changing things. He's just putting a mask over all his problems for people who give more of a damn about them than he does, those people being the Rulers in the West.
As Churchill once said "There are no permanent friends or permanent enemies. There are only permanent interests". This is so true when it comes to politics. Who is Pakistan to us? Just a handful of politicians who love (or use) US??!! These politicians cant do much about the fabric of the society into which is interwoven the Islamic Fundamentalism. The divide is between this group and world. Mush has to dance with both US and the fundamentalists. So, the country as such can never be a 'best friend' until the whole society loves US, like India, which irrespective of minor political differences has such strong trade and technological relationship. Even at individual level. Sad State, that US has to sleep with the enemy.
Throughout its 50-year history, Pakistan has been a country that has been ruled by military generals of Punjabi ethnicity, interspersed by brief periods (perhaps less than 10%) of democracy. The leadership has been largely opportunistic (which led it to cozy up to the U.S., the Arab nations, and also China), and generally corrupt. It has historically sought to preserve its perquisites and power through whipping up mass hysteria against India and the Hindus. When the U.S. left after financing a 'jehadi' uprising against the Russians in Afghanistan, Pakistan calculated that sponsoring and financing the Taliban to take over Afghanistan and developing the nuclear bomb, touted as the 'Islamic' bomb, with Saudi and other Arab financing, and Chinese and Korean technological help, would serve it well in regaining favors from the U.S., replace the U.S. with Saudi & Arab financing in the interim, increase assistance from the Chinese for the help in brow-beating India, and also obtain Taliban help in increasing the militant insurgency into Kashmir. Gandhi always said that the truth would ultimately prevail, and these schemes are now exposed. Sadly, the population is still brainwashed into believing that their country is the abode of the 'pure' (Pak-istan) Muslims, and believe that their faith requires them to fight to the death against both the Western world, and against the Hindus, as well as to wrest control of a Muslim-majority state from secular India, where traditionally the different communities of Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs, Christians, Buddhists, Jains and Parsees have lived together in peace.
equip the friendly Arab nations with arms sufficient to take down all extreme Islamic groups, then position NATO troops around the borders of all waring factions and let them take care of their own problem on their own lands....end of Middle East problems
Success in Central Asia has to be based on close and personal contact with local tribal leaders, especially in the remote areas where the gov'ts really have no positive influence. Some military and even private humanitarian groups have had great success with this knowledge. The fact is that the group who can give them schools, medicine and clean water are the ones who gain influence, even if it's Taliban or Al-Qaida. The central gov'ts have ignored the remote areas for years. The U.S. decision to divert money promised to rebuild and improve Afganistan to Iraq is a sign to tribal leaders of our untrustworthiness.
It's time the Western world took blind folds off and addressed Pakistan's role in being an incubator of terrorism globally for over 20 years, part of it as the US front in Afghanistan. One only needs to look at what has happened post 9/11 in all parts of the world - US, UK, Spain, Middle East, India, Far East - to realize terrorism is Pakistan's most infamous export alongwith supplying nuclear designs and fuels to North Korea and Iran. The symptom and the disease need to be cured for the world to be a safer place.
I love how flip so many posters are here. This is very serious stuff, but it seems, as in Washington, too many people are concerned about getting their political jollies by wanting out country to fail and getting to crow over it than really want to win the war.
The United States need to learn to be an honest broker in the world disputes. It is not a small banana republic to need alliances. It can call a spade a spade. It needs to do so in middle east. If US becmae fair in the middle east all terrorism related probles would evaprate. Why does the US need to take sides? Poor Pakisatn caught always caught in between disputes of others problems has lost more of its own soldiers than all the NATO troops put together. Even then its friends doubt its sincerity. WHo needs friends like these. Musharraf would be wise to end it allians with the west, ask US to pack up its basis from its soil and follow foreign policies which suit it the best.
The only reason that Pakistan is helping the u.s. is because america will go to war with pakistan if they don't become an ally.
Don't worry when the USA has no more use for the Pakistanian president he will wind up like the rest of the US arab friends. When the USA has no more use for them Saddam,shah of Iran,they will be hanging from a rope.Hope they wise up.
Wow!! I am amazed at the lack of knowledge on part of young Americans. Need I remind the US that Pakistan was the staging ground for the CIA in 80's against the Soviet Afghanistan? US funded the Mujaheedeen and left them in air after the Soveit withdrawl. In this vaccum Taliban (students) came to power to end the civil war and the US has a policy of abandoning its allies in war. Look what happened to the Kurds during the first Gulf War. US armed Saddam against Islamic Iran and late turned their back on Saddam. Pakistan and its Diaspora should realise that it is just a pawn in the hands of CIA.
You can't just say nuke them all - you're talking about people. Real, human, living, breathing people. If we all took this stance, how much better would it make us than these so called terrorists????????
I'm disgusted that people there are people in the world that can say to nuke an entire region without so much as thinking about what they are saying. How would you feel if on the flip side the Middle Easterners were saying that about the United States???
There really isnt any reason to bomb pakistan for crying out loud. Every nation has its own timeline of reaching maturity. We're a long way away from that and i think the world needs to realise this fact. Our people arent up to the job of being integrated into the new world because they still live in the old one. Every nation that can claim to be a part of the new world has done so through the same struggles we are going through. Slowly but surely education is picking up pace and there is only a matter of time left before the rich poor gap gets so wide that the people will realise whats more important to them and take the power into their own hands and bring about a true democractic revolution. Bomb our country and you might get rid of us, but the rest of the muslim world will cause a ruckus, and hey ho you have a world war on your hands. Work with thsoe who understand the social structure and how to bring it to light in a modern framework, promote understanding. If they create fire, you dab it with water because its too easy to burn down the whole forest. Its much harder to grow and nurture a tree but the rewards are infinitely more profound.
I am assuming Stanley does not know too much about Pakistan, that is evident. Kashmir is not even Pakistani soil, it is still between India and Pakistan. Second, how would they use Kashmir as an excuse? Our government picks strange friends in strange ways. As I recall, the US govt. threatened to 'blow them back to the stone age,' after 9/11, so pakistan didn't really have a choice huh? The US puts it's hands where they should not be, the US Intervention in Somalia for example. We were suppose to go in there to end famine, to save the emaciated, near-dead children. Last I checked, after the US intervention, it is still about the same as it was before. Why did the US not 'intervene' in Ethopia or Sudan with civil wars that promoted famine. Even better, decades before that when Bangladesh and Nigeria were in worse conditions. Of course the US would intervene in Somalia, I mean Somalia was considered a terrorists haven. I suppose the US was smart enough to help out Afghanistan in the 70's and 80's as well; to provide them with the guns and ammo that are killing our soldiers. We can't find Osama Bin Laden anywhere you want to know why? I would just assume once the CIA trains him, that he would know what is coming from the same country that is "trying," more or less, to get him. Have you guys realized that the US does a lot of blind leading? The US owes Pakistan 77 F-16's, coincidently when this was happening in 1989 President Bush declared pakistan a nuclear country and pulled out all aid from pakistan. Without any proof? So what does Pakistan do? it's neighboring country doesn't like it, and has nuclear weapons, and the US won't help. Get nuclear weapons, and dislike the US for backing out, as their word always has with pakistan. I mean.. why don't we just go to war with Iraq because we ASSUME they have weapons of mass destruction? oh wait.. we did that already. Ignorance is not always bliss.


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