Is America safer after the death of Osama bin Laden?
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Is America safer after the death of Osama bin Laden?
Is America safer after the death of Osama bin Laden?
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Why did the U.S. give him a proper burial - they should have stuck him head first in Farmer Ziffels field - and let the porkers get at him.
I wouldn't say that being dumped in the ocean was OBL's first choice of burial.
It was a brilliant move. He's "swimming with the fishes" and the Islamic world can't say we didn't respect his faith. Followers can't locate the exact spot to make it a shrine. We got even without being overly malicious. I'd say it was the perfect end for Osama bin Laden.
I still think it's very fishy that the US had posession and proof possitive that Osama is dead . And then they dump it in the ocean. WTF ! It should have been kept as proof . Who really cares about giving him a proper burial under islamic belief. Anyway Islamic beliefs were violated already when they did an autopsy and took DNA samples. What a load of crap.
Your name says it all-"simple minded". This becomes a win for all people who want the freedom of feeling safe, nor matter their religion or nationality.
I am sure that there are more people in the Mideast who want to feel safe and live in peace, than to make eternal war. You don't end hate by creating more hate, or acting in a vengeful manner.
Paul W is right. It was the correct and smart thing to do. His mortal remains are now lost forever and his resting place on terra firma can not be made into a shrine for his followers. His death was not disgraced in any manner according to his religion. There was no propagandic fodder for his followers. He can now enjoy his 1,000 virgins in peace!
He got a better burial than the thousands that died on 9/11. The scumbag Muslims that say he should have been buried obviously have no respect for the Americans whose remains were never found.
Paul W. is right. Why give the Muslims more ammunition? We at the very least gave him the proper burial as per Muslim rites dictate, but we denied them the ability to make any burial plot a shrine.
No matter how many photos were published, there will always be those naysayers who will say "It ain't him". They'd be like Donald Trump, asking for the long form of the death certificate. (that was borrowed from another brilliant commenter here at Newsvine)
We should also keep in mind, that Muslims also helped us track him down. No need to disrespect them by desecrating Osama's body.
We should now buy the building in which he was killed and raze it to the ground. Salt the ground so that nothing will grow, and establish a junkyard on it.
TO: JP-1897883 who wrote
“I still think it's very fishy that the US had posession and proof possitive that Osama is dead and then they dump it in the ocean. Anyway Islamic beliefs were violated already when they did an autopsy and took DNA samples…”
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I’m sure they took all the bloody pictures you could ever want, including many of the dead body, and the bullet hole in the head for all the torture lovers out there to stare at for hours on end.
But I didn’t hear ANY mention of any autopsy. Where’d you get that, or did you make that one up?
A DNA sample can be taken from one strand of his hair.
I'm not a conspiracy guy, but doesn't a dna test take 12 hours?
Because seriously, I was all excited until I read that they dumped him in the ocean.
McChrystal was instrumental in making JSOC the success it is now... too bad Obama removed him due to his need be surround himself with yes-men. The man clearly was an asset for us.
"When Gen. Stanley McChrystal became JSOC's commanding general in 2004, he and his intelligence chief, Maj. Gen. Michael Flynn, set about transforming the way the subordinate units analyze and act on intelligence. ...The way JSOC solved this problem remains a carefully guarded secret, but people familiar with the unit suggest that McChrystal and Flynn introduced hardened commandos to basic criminal forensic techniques and then used highly advanced and still-classified technology to transform bits of information into actionable intelligence. One way they did this was to cr
eate forward-deployed fusion cells, where JSOC units were paired with intelligence analysts from the NSA and the NGA. Such analysis helped the CIA to establish, with a high degree of probability, that Osama bin Laden and his family were hiding in that particular compound.
The military has begun to incorporate these techniques across the services. And Flynn will soon be promoted to a job within the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, where he'll be tasked with transforming the way intelligence is gathered, analyzed, and utilized."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_exclusive/20110502/pl_yblog_exclusive/the-secret-team-that-killed-bin-laden
One gets recalled by the president for political show the other gets promoted.
we will continue 2 b a target , 4 the next 100 years. enough said.
As soon as I saw he was buried at sea, I knew we'd have legions of naysayers claiming it wasn't really him. But they'd be saying that no matter what. What did you people expect? A national tour of the corpse? You'd still say it was just a lookalike.
Also agree that burial at sea, with bare-minimum Muslim rites, was the way to go. As long as we still have some grown-ups in charge, we need to keep acting like it.
Keeping Bin Ladin's body would have only given the terrorists more reason to want to seek revenge. depending on where it was placed, it might have become a shrine. Burying him according to Islamic law takes away any criticism that we rerfuse to acknowledge the religions of others. Smart decision.
Just because they said he was buried at sea doesn't make it true. He could be on an autopsy table somewhere being disassembled.
I have no idea is this really happened. If you put a picture of everything that Obama did during the last week, I think there is a strong possibility that the report is contrived. They got rid of the evidence, if any, by supposedly dumping it in the sea.
I have no idea [if] this really happened. If you put a picture of everything that [President] Obama did during the last week, I think there is a strong possibility that the report is contrived.
OK, then what DO you think happened? Why do you suppose we haven't seen Al Jazeera releasing a new tape of bin Laden mocking the greatly exaggerated news of his death? Do you really think we could fake the death of someone we couldn't find or catch?
These are not rhetorical questions. If you're going to impugn the integrity of the President, I call on you to lay your cards down.
I completely agree with Paul_W's assessment. My only hope now would be that this will instill a fervent desire for all those useless Somali pirates to go deep-sea diving in search of the vile one. Now... Wouldn't that be a grand and glorious thing of beauty !?
Isn't that what you do with a thug? Weight him down and feed him to the fishes? As far as doing it respectfully, he is a human being. Some day we're all going to have to stop killing each other. They kill us, we kill them, they kill us - hatred on all sides. This is no way to live. We're all barbarians, but I'm glad we finally got 'em.
After considerable deliberation - Perhaps a depth/pressure sensitive C-4 suppository might have been a nifty send-off too
JP-1897883
They have DNA, the body was examined in the middle east, they also have pictures, they don't OWE it to us to prove that.
OBAMA 2012!
Have to agree with that MJL-3. I'd tend to think that enough ample photographic proof was taken prior to the launching down to Davy Jones' locker. The fact that the picures might be a tad gruesome for release should be understandable considering a headshot supposedly turned out his lights. I'm sure there were ample still photographs as well as video taken on scene and afterwards. Expediency was necessary to insure the removal of any possibility of the body being taken and used to further the cause or make a shrine out of the final resting place. Good riddance, I say!
Then again... Might have been worth an honest effort to hold a memorial ceremony (with plenty of advance notice to his faithful followers of course). Once they were all assembled into a nice grouping, go in and cleanout those douchebags also!
To the naysayers..... Did you travel to Chernobyl or accept the word of others? Did you believe the news coverage of 9/11, without questioning if it was real? Did you travel to see the devastation in Japan, or rely on news reports? While I am not saying our government doesn't put their own spin on things, they would not risk the embarrassment of stating Bin Laden is dead if he wasn't.
Why did we give him a decent burial?
Because we're better than they are, that's why. When we lose sight of that, we've already lost what we're fighting for.
America was not even Safer before september 11, why? Becuz of Rogue israelo.Simple.
So you are really saying that seriously you support terrorism? Thanks for letting me know.
Simple. Smile for the camera.
Let's be clear on this: President Obama did NOT kill Osama Bin Laden. An American soldier, who Obama just a few weeks ago, was debating on whether or not to PAY them, did the job! Obama just happened to be the one in office when our soldiers finally found OBL and took him out. This is NOT an Obama victory, but an AMERICAN victory!!
Lets be clear on this: Obama made killing OBL a national priority in his 2008 campaign, reversing course from the disastrous policies of his predecessor. Bush said he "was not too concerned about OBL" in 2002, and closed the CIA Alec Station unit that was hunting OBL. He also opened an oil war in Iraq, diverting resources from the real war on terror.
Obama didn't pull the trigger, but he definitely gets some credit. ABSOLUTELY an Obama victory, and we're lucky to have him in office. McCain would have continued the Bush line that he wasn't important, and we'd be at war with Iran and 2 other Middle Eastern countries by now.
Obama has no control over whether or not the soldiers get paid, he was not debating anything. The debate occurred in the republican controlled House of Representatives... so get your facts straight
Breathin Easy - 'Let's be clear on this: President Obama did NOT kill Osama Bin Laden. An American soldier, who Obama just a few weeks ago, was debating on whether or not to PAY them, did the job!' - Yes, President Obama just ORDERED the killing of OBL. By your logic, Bin Laden didn't cause 9/11, the hijackers did, OBL just ORDERED 9/11. Maybe if W had taken care of OBL in Tora Bora instead of going into Iraq for some reason, we would have gotten him years ago.
I'm sick and tired of being politically correct and a good neighbor on the world stage....only to constantly be targeted by right-wing Muslim freaks who wage war with their two-faced set of rules.
Time to nuke these Godless sand rats back to the stone-age. Lucky for them, it will be a short trip.
This is like cutting off the head of the Hydra.
I disagree. I think it's been clear for a long time that this particular hydra had the majority of its brains in the head we cut off. Sure others will sprout, but they can't do what he did.
I'm glad that Pres. Obama's vision and leadership led to finally capturing this scum. (I'm sure if he had been captured 5 years ago, we would be hearing non-stop about Bush's vision and leadership). But no, we are not any safer, there will be more terrorists, especially since we are now committed to staying in the Middle East until the end of our reign.
Instead we get to hear from you that it was Obama's.. It WAS Bush's vision and leadership at the time that got this ball rolling. Then it was the intelligence agencies dilligent and hard work that located him and the military for taking him out. Obama simply gave the go-ahead.. what was he supposed to do, say no? This will now be a talking point for his campaign and people will be blinded by this instead of the real issues of what he hasn't done for the little guy during his term.
Kay, it seems to me you are truly misinformed as are most Fox Viewers!
Barnes said that Bush told him capturing bin Laden is “not a top priority use of American resources.” Watch it.
Bush’s priorities have always been skewed. Just months after declaring he wanted bin Laden “dead or alive,” Bush said, “I truly am not that concerned about him.” Turning his attention away from bin Laden, Bush trained his focus on Iraq — a country he now admits had “nothing” to do with 9/11.
[flv http://video.thinkprogress.org/2006/09/barnesosama.320.240.flv]
Kay - you and your fellow teabaggers need to learn to admit when you are wrong, which is usually.
It's only typical of people to put blame on the current president for past presidents mishaps.(thats the nices way to put it) Noone seems to remember anything about Bushes term but Bush and his followers. Do you also remember allowing that creeps followers over here to train in flying planes or buy up our AMERICAN BUILT BUSINESSES only for them not to pay taxes or to raise prices to however much they see fit. Stop pointing the finger as if 3 of them aren't pointing back. Everyone was on Obama's jockstrap while he ran for office, but very quicking TEABAGGED him when something went wrong. You also voted Republicans in office only to have them Almost shut down and not PAY the very people that PROTECT all of us "THE US ARMED FORCES". What's wrong with all of you? Did you not pay attention in church of all the signs and wars & rumors of wars?Why everybody out here rejoicing and having their gaurds down, he had already trained someone else to take his place.
John Brennan stated this morning in the news conference that he had been personally involved in this hunt for 15 years - that translates into working under Presidents Clinton, Bush and Obama. (John O. Brennan (born September 22, 1955) is chief counterterrorism advisor to U.S. President Barack Obama; officially his title is Deputy National Security Advisor for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism, and Assistant to the President.)
In the former NSA director's (Richard A Clarke) book "Against All Enemies" there is much insight into what went on near the close of President Clinton's term. It was near the close of President Clinton's second term that al Queda was identified and everything possible was tried and the information passed on to the Bush administration who discounted it all as unimportant! If the Bush administration had taken this intelligence seriously and acted on it, perhaps 9-1-1 would never have happened!
Unfortunately, the Republicans (and the military) found it impossible to credit Clinton with anything good, instead focusing on keeping Lewinsky and possible impeachment in the news, to the detriment of the safety of the United States. Particularly read the text on pages 145 and 146 with quotes from some Green Berets saying that the Pentagon had told them that Clinton wouldn't allow their secret "snatch and grab" mission to go on. The opposite was in fact the truth. Excerpt: "Whether it was catching war criminals in Yugoslavia or terrorists in Africa and the Middle East, it was the same story. The White House wanted action. The senior military did not and made it almost impossible for the President to overcome their objections. ....... Often though, we learned, senior military officers let the word spread down the ranks that the politicians in the White House were the ones reluctant to act. The fact is, President Clinton approved every snatch that he was asked to review. Every snatch CIA, Justice, or Defense proposed during my tenure as CSG chairman, from 1992 to 2001, was approved."
That probably is the reason the mission this time was handled by the CIA instead of the Pentagon. Too many senior military officers are more interested in political game-playing instead of the safety of the American People. Under the scenario that occurred with President Clinton, if too many "talking heads" were "in the know" at this time, they would have leaked the information and exposed the mission to ensure its failure and reflect badly on President Obama. Thank you to those people in the very small group that knew, that they protected the United States rather than make political points in trying to make President Obama fail!
Grandma35 - Humm interesting. I wasn't aware of the take you have on it.
Kay-1726555
It may have been GW's "VISION" but he didn't act on it like he could have, he was interested in going after Hussain.
He was not interesed in Binladin, this is why.
Salem bin Laden, Osama's brother, has conducted all
his American affairs through James Bath, a Houston crony of
the Bush family. Bath's former business partner Bill White testified in
court that Bath had been a liaison for the C.I.A. In 1979 Bath invested $50,000 in Arbusto, George W. Bush's first
business venture. Rumor had it that Bath was acting as Salem bin Laden's representative. "In conflicting
statements, Bush at first denied ever knowing Bath, then acknowledged his stake in Arbusto and that he
was aware Bath represented Saudi interests."
So NO I will give GW no credit at all.
Please remember Obama started this 8 months ago, this was NOT GW.
I do not believe Obama had much if anything to do with it, this started a long time before he came to office. he had to continue the search for this piece of C.R.A.P. Bin there done that Ladin, it is the line that was drawn in the sands by the Pres with cajones when he started this with Americans and the world. and Obama just happen to be in office when it was finished, if it would have taken any longer it would be Palin,Clinton II,or some other numbskull elected into office.
I do not belieave Obama had much if anything with this . I'm glade that Ladin is death. But we don't need to drap this out like they do everything else. That's all I have hear all day is the weather every 7 minutes & the taffic & Laden all day. Like the weather thats a joke every 7 minutes. the weather doesn't chance that much. How can someone kind saying the same thing over & over again. That why I don't listen to the new like before. We need to go on with our lifes about. We need a real goverment that for the people not the Oil Companys . Jerry
Are some of you really trying to politicize this? Let's get back to reality. No matter who takes - or actually deserves - credit for this, to politicize this is to minimize the suffering of all those who died on September 11 and who have died since. Everything built up to this, whether it be actions by Clinton, Bush, or Obama, and each deserves some credit for making this happen, but none more so than the U.S. military and intelligence agencies. God bless 'em.
Hey Kay, what exactly has Obama done/not done for the "little guy"? I'm dying to here it, because the Obama haters still have not made it clear.
"Obama is awful for this nation. I'm telling you so it's true!" Well how?
you are right obama had nothing too do with it except say go , he has'nt done anything for America ---- but bring her down. get him out of where he has no one with any common sense with him any how IMPEACH all of them .
Wrong James.
Obama made a campaign promise to make capturing and killing OBL, after Bush had failed to do so for 7 years. Bush said he was "Not that concerned about him" in March 2002, got us into a distraction in Iraq, leaving Afghanistan to deteriorate, and he disbanded Alec Station in the CIA in 2006.
So actually we do owe Obama. If McCain had won, we'd be at war with Iran and probably 2 other middle east countries, and OBL would still be running around.
Also, we speak english in America. Your last sentence is not english.
God bless our troops - it doesn't make us a lot safer but every little bit helps
I don't think we're safer but it does feel good to know we can kick ass.
Well Jewelibeth, we showed that we dont stop until we find them and kill them. In some way that is kicking ass in the international community. Besides, it took only two years for Obama to kill him and eight of the 10 for Bush to let him stay alive and keep spreading his filth even though we had him cornered day 1.
I think the saying "You can run, but you can't hide" applies here. I don't care if he died after the bullet ricocheted off his walker, we set out to get him and we did!!!! What else matters? I'm grateful that Osama bin whacked!!!!
Good point. I'll bet Bush is kicking himself that Obama was able to accomplish what he was not, even though he started wars on two fronts.
Obama's leadership? It is Obama's "leadership" that cost us the man instrumental in making JSOC the success that it is:
"When Gen. Stanley McChrystal became JSOC's commanding general in 2004, he and his intelligence chief, Maj. Gen. Michael Flynn, set about transforming the way the subordinate units analyze and act on intelligence. ...The way JSOC solved this problem remains a carefully guarded secret, but people familiar with the unit suggest that McChrystal and Flynn introduced hardened commandos to basic criminal forensic techniques and then used highly advanced and still-classified technology to transform bits of information into actionable intelligence. One way they did this was to cr
eate forward-deployed fusion cells, where JSOC units were paired with intelligence analysts from the NSA and the NGA. Such analysis helped the CIA to establish, with a high degree of probability, that Osama bin Laden and his family were hiding in that particular compound.
The military has begun to incorporate these techniques across the services. And Flynn will soon be promoted to a job within the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, where he'll be tasked with transforming the way intelligence is gathered, analyzed, and utilized."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_exclusive/20110502/pl_yblog_exclusive/the-secret-team-that-killed-bin-laden
One gets recalled by the president for political show the other gets promoted.
McChrystal was fired for insubordination and criticism of his commander in chief which is punishable under military law. When a member of the armed forces disrespects the rules he swore to follow, he derserves to be punished.
Very good point Mike! Just think if we were punished for all the Suga Honey Ice-T we've done in our lives what punishment would be right for us? He only got fired.
Think out of the box my fellow Americans. Was the General fired?? He still partipates in the workings of this adminestration. He is still in a decision making position.
I'm sick already of hearing about Obama and how he got this accomplished. It was the military intelligence agency and the men and women who have been at this for years now that finally got the job done. Let's not make a political issue out of this and and give this fool any credit. God bless our troops and the job they have done, putting their lives on the line every day, and it is not over yet. He threatened to hold back pay to our troops if the govt shut down so how is that, as a so called Commander-in-Chief, respecting our troops. Let's hope one and done.
Wrong Jerry.
Bush in 2002: "I'm not that concerned about him" in reference to Bin Laden
Bush in 2006: closed the CIA Alec Station unit hunting Bin Laden.
Let that sink in a second. Bush distracted us into a war in Iraq, and forgot to fight the most dangerous man in the world, that was responsible for 3000 American Deaths. Obama campaigned on capturing/killing Bin Laden, bringing us back to the true war on terror.
Obama gets credit for this. For bringing the focus back where it should be. Bush is basically just a war criminal.
You should thank Obama for keeping you safe. How's that tough on national security thingy working out for ya? God bless Obama.
Wow, it only too 10 years, Over 100,000 civilian deaths, and a Trillion dollars. Makes you wonder if it was about killing Bin Laden or strategic control of a segment of Eastern block territory with bizillions of gallons of OIL. Nah, we wouldn't do the kinds of things we accuse other totalitarian regimes of doing.
If it was about the oil, then I wouldn't have had to fill up at $4.50 a gallon this morning. I wish it was about the oil. We should get something for all the cost of lives and resources that have been dumped in that region.
No, no, no... it's not about the oil, folks. It's about making MONEY from the oil.
Isn't it about time that we stop the oil subsidies, and instigate a windfall profits tax?
Afghanistan is not a strategic asset. It's a security deficit. It has never been cost effective for a foreign power to hold Afghanistan, nor to leave it be.
Also it might ... MIGHT have 150 million barrels of crude below its sand, which is not a lot, but it's unlikely going to come out of there anytime soon. Afghanistan has never been an oil exporter. It cannot even handle its own tiny demand.
No, I don't think it will make us safer at all, especially in the near future. I have four sons who are all active military and they have done almost nine tours of duty now and if someone would tell me this wonderful news will keep them safe, I would be one really happy mom. However, there are so many other horrible people out there who want to do us harm, it's going to take time. However, we will get there, one terriorist leader at a time. Hats off to the Navy Seals!
While this assasination won't rid of us of terrorism or the potential of it in the future, it suceeded in ridding us of the mastermind of the organization. Supporting democratic movements that will enhance the lives of Arabs in trouble spots may do just as much as the assasination has. Let us pray for the sucess of democracy.
Our president got our man during his watch. He gave the reigns of the horse over to the intelligence and military pros, entrusting them with this mission and they suceeded in taking Bin Laden out. A true leader can do that-empower those around themselves to do their jobs and not feel threatened when they suceed. The Navy seals won for all of us-all people of all nations who want peace. God bless America and our service people who carried the fight to the enemy and won another battle in securing the safety of the world for all of us to enjoy. Thanks from just one of billions of grateful souls.
Although I wish for Democracy to spread to the Arab nations, I have to believe that a "nation" like Islam that subjugates its women and in its own writings preaches intolerance of other religions more than any other, will never embrace Democracy.
I really don't think you know anything about Islam. Muslims do no subjugate their women, nor do they preach intolerance of other religions.
Although I wish for Democracy to spread to the Arab nations, I have to believe that a "nation" like Islam that subjugates its women and in its own writings preaches intolerance of other religions more than any other, will never embrace Democracy.
It has worked okay for Christianity and Democracy all of these years...
Foobar I think you are referring to the extremists that exist in every religion. There are plenty of "Christian" churches here like Westboro's that promote intolerance too. It is just unfortunate that Osama was a Muslim - it will probably take a generation for people to realize that he was one person, not a representation of the religion as a whole.
What could possibly make America safer after killing Bin Laden? If anything, all it's going to do is encourage retaliatory strikes and those will most likely kill more innocents and maintain the cycle or violence.
Don't get me wrong, it's nice to see Osama get his comeuppance, but him being killed is pretty unimportant and has very little bearing on the Al Qaeda network at this point. Al Qaeda has moved from being a physical entity to more of an ideology that doesn't require physical assets b/c it merely exists at this point to inspire others to take up the cause.
He needed to be killed 9+ years ago...this is really unimportant and simply a distraction for a lot of people. That's right,..you go ahead and forget about how expensive it is to fill up your gas tank, the hundreds of people who died last week out West or the FUBAR situation that is simply deteriorating in Libya.
Not a black and white answer available to this question. Yes, and No.
Billy the Kid, John Dillinger, Che Guevara. . .all outlaws become tomorrow's posterboys. How long will it take until we start seeing Obama tees for $19.95?
I think they caught Osama with one on already with the tag ..."Made and Protected by Pakistan".
We never were saved before, and we are not safe today.
Now. I think that Obama showed his birth certificate because he knew what was about to happen, ones the birth thing is out of the way people finally can concentrate on his achievements. He learned how badly Republicans screwed his first achievement the Health Care. Republicans right now have no time to still the thunder, but I am sure its going to happen tomorrow.
Anyone else notice how often obama and osama's name are interchanged by commentators on tv? I know they are alike but no one seems to even correct the mistake when it is made, and it seems to be made quite a bit.
Hell, I find myself doing this and I'm a Obama supporter.
It must suck to have a name so closely pronounced.
'you must be a Muslim if your cousin is the President of the United States' LoL...!
Yes, I think this will make the U.S. a safer place since the terriorists now know we won't stop until find them. Sooner or later their day will come!!!
Great Job Nave Seals & Obama!!!
Bush could have taken him at Tora Bora - he has admitted as much. But it would have weakened the impulse to go into Iraq, which was his goal from Inauguration Day in January 2001. In following through on his demented vision, it has cost our country lives, trillions of dollars, and respect and credibility in the world. We can never get back those lives; we put the trillions of dollars on a charge card and apparently no one is willing to actually pony and pay the bill (cutting food and medical care for the poor, and research and education for our future is much easier), and we're only now beginning to gain the respect we once had in the world. We need to replace the electoral college with the popular vote so 2000 never happens again - the hijacking of that Presidential election hurt this country more than other election I can think of.
You have just said exactly what I have firmly believed all these years! Are there any more of us? Raise your hands. Honk if you agree. Tweet, twitter, holler.
I believe this about the 2000 presidential election 100%. I drove up a mountain in snow and ice, stood in line 45 minutes to vote for Al Gore. When the election was stolen from him I felt as if no vote I ever made in this country would count again. Obama has given me a little bit of faith back.
Nope...I couldn't disagree more with you. Although, I do think that Obama was wise to continue the effort that Bush started that was to capture and/or kill Bin Laden. I also think it was appropriate on Obama's part to call ex-President Bush as well as ex-President Clinton before the public announcement was made and I commend him for that. Thank God for our men and women in our military and intelligence that carried out this mission and to those that protect us from this scum everyday. All that being said, I still absolutely disagree with most of Obama's domestic policies and I'll never forget his words of criticism of our country while abroad and his bowing to the Saudi Arabian King...those actions and words represent who this man really is.
Where do you see this respect we are gaining coming from? All I see is other countries laughing at us unless it comes from these jerks that our so called President bows down to. let them bow to us, no other president has lowered himself to this level. Shoshana, what has he given you a little faith back in?
No other US president has bowed before royalty? Well, I suppose if we get you a pair of ruby slippers and you click them three times while you repeat the statement, it might come true. It seems to me that many people think that repeating a statement often enough will convince everyone that it must be so.
US Presidents bow before royalty when that is the protocol.
Bush bowed before King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia (though people want to call it "lowering his head to receive a medallion). There is, however, no question that Eisenhower bowed to President Charles De Gaulle in 1959 (in fact, he bowed rather frequently, being a courtly gentleman who followed protocol), Bush bowed to Pope Benedict, etc. In fact, we don't have photographs of many of our presidents--but most likely, virtually all of them bowed if it was protocol.
Obama tends to do a slightly more exaggerated version, having spent time in Indonesia where bowing to one's elders is a sign of respect and done frequently and without much thought, but pretty much all of our presidents have bowed when it was demanded by protocol because they didn't want to cause an incident. Seriously--why are US Presidents so much better than any other head of state of any other country? When in Rome, dear.
Obama is taking credit for a policy that has been in place since 9/11. While I am glad Osama has been taken, this will not end the war on terro and will amplify agression towards the US. The timing is incredible, given the administrations inability to oust Mommar Gaddafi? I think we could have had Osama months ago, but unfortunately politics are being played and much of this almost seems rehearsed. Thanks to our military and the Navy seals on a job well done, but our president needs no credit!
You obviously have never done any military planning or intelligence gathering. The military HAD to be 100% sure that they were going to get their man and avoid him slipping out of their hands. Every effort had to be made to know of possible exfil routes, escape plans, etc before they put the special forces of the country into action. Any time the military operates on a direct action mission such as this, they must plan for months and months before they do it to ensure the reduction of casualties and the increase chance of a successful kill. The funeral, the handling of the press and intelligence data, all planned this out perfectly. No shrines to honor him, no doubt he was the real Osama thanks to DNA testing, no casualties on our end except a chopper. Perfect execution wins the day, not careless and wreckless abandon that was the hallmark of the G.W.Bush handling of combat operations. Obama and the Navy Seals do deserve all the credit in the world.
It took him just over half his presidency to find him and all of Bush's to not.
Perhaps you don't understand how a democracy works. The military doesn't launch covert strikes on their own whim. (I'm just taking a wild guess here, but I'll bet had this occured in the Bush term you'd be very eager to give him credit.)
And can you back up these statements 100%? If you can't you are just speculating.
Who cares if it was Obama or Bush? That's sooooo not important. I don't care if it was even accidentally shot down by one of its own followers . It was a scourge on this earth and I'm just glad it's gone!
What an ignorant comment. Are you old enough to have an intelligent brain? Whether this happened during the past Bush administration, the current Obama administration or any future administration, any one of them would have rightfully taken credit for the kill. Like others in the past, you've taken your eye of the ball and are focusing on the wrong thing. Please let us know when you've finally got the brain capacity to post something of intelligence.
hawk08............Obama as commander in chief had a direct role in overseeing each and every step of this plan. He took his time and relied on factual intelligence provided by the CIA and our military. he evakuated the capture/kill recommendations and made a decision. The military could not act without his consent. Obama was careful, deliberate and hands on which uis the eact opposite of Bush.
Thanks for all of your comments. As a former military man, involved in many operations over the years, I have seen how politics weigh in decisions. Why are so many of you defending Obama over Bush. This has nothing to do with George Bush. Given the celebration outside of the White House, it is very apparent someone within the administration organized gatherings. This was appauling, disgraceful and of very poor taste. Our men and women in the service do not need bigger targets on there backs and by celebrating this, we are asking for more trouble. This could have been handled in a more tasteful manner, a more timely manner. It does not take several months to organize a covert operation and Obama did not organize it, this falls in the hands of our military and all the President must do is give the order, that is all!
Let me give everyone a view of what has happened. The number 1 terriost on everyone Most Wanted List. Was found, captured, shot, wrapped up and then dumped into the ocean - because they were giving him his Islamic burial rites. Is this the BS story the media and the President want's us to believe.
Come on people. If they had found Bin Laden or killed him - his ass would of been brought to some room in Langley - where proper test and identification could of been done more proper. Everything confirmed. Pictures taken and so forth.
Let's look at our history. The number 1 drug dealer in the world - Pablo Escobar. We found him on that roof - Shot him and photograph his bloated corpse and platered the photographs all over CNN - everyone knew he was dead. Sadamm Hussien - found in a whole somewhere. Shot and photographs of his corpse were plastered on CNN. Now what happens to Osama. Nothing.
Come next month - there will be a report stating it was a body double or something like that. Think about it.
Photos of the event are starting to surface, corpse has had DNA testing performed and confirmed. They are doing this by the book to ensure that the terrorists do not get any material out of this. Always a conspiracy loon out there...Sean you win the prize of being the first here.
So far today no video from Osama refuting his death. Maybe you can relax Sean.
Did you "care" this much when your President told the world about WMD's and left Bin Laden alone to start a new War in Iraq???? I guess that didn't matter to you as long as it was your Party.
Sean (and all other conspiracy nutcases out there), please do some research before you spew your idiotic diatribe. Not every situation is handled in the exact same manner. Instead of jumping to conclusions before you have gained all the facts, mature the space in your head you consider your brain, find out the facts and think things through before you speak.
Sean, you really need to tell your hero, Trump, that it is time to move on and return to his assinine unreality TV show.
I agree with you mike, where are the pictures and yes DNA takes more then 12 hours to example, there is more information then the government is telling us, how long will it take for the real true to come out. I do not think that it was Osama who was dump in the ocean. ....United States get ready for 9/11 again, but with more power, the sleepers will be coming out of hiding...
Not sure BUT this was EXCELLENT and performed to perfection. KUDOS, Mr. President indeed you are presidential as if I doubted that!
It was our intelligence and the military. Obama just happened to be in office. Give credit where credit is due, our brave men and women of the CIA and armed forces. NOT a politician.
Obama is Commander in Chief and heads all American military forces. He is more hands on than Bush ever was. He and all Americans appreciate and congraulate our military forces. This capture wouldn't have been acccomlished without Obamas calm and persistent leadership. Unlike Bush, he doesn't shoot first and confirm details afterward.
Without Bush's leadership , this would never have happened .
Actually, without Bush Sr, Bush Jr wouldn't even exist, and had that been the case, we might not still be at war!
To all you jerks who praise our so called Commander-in-Chief, if he is so patriotic why does he not put his hand over his heart during the playing of the National Anthem or him and his first lady use their left hand. How disrespectful. He disrespects our troops in his every move yet they continue to serve you and me. Give credit where credit is due and not to some jerk who just happened to be in the right place.
Jerry, you're losing sight of what's important, by trying to question his patriotism.
OBAMA GOT OSAMA, and it pisses you off to no end. You are a small little man.
gotme: No, you're delusional. Bush had nothing to do with this, and he lost sight of what was important in the war on terror by going into Iraq.
Bush in 2002: "I don't think about him that much" in reference to Bin Laden http://www.politicususa.com/en/bush-bin-laden
Bush in 2006: closed the CIA Alec Station unit that was hunting Bin Laden. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/04/washington/04intel.html
Bush gets NO credit for this, because Bush betrayed this country. Obama gets ALL the credit (along with CIA & Military intelligence) for getting America back on the right track.
So nice try, trying to usurp credit from the Democrat, but it isn't going to work.
If this TRUE...now the US has to start rebuilding over there...at our expense. our people, our money and GOD for BID...this fateful believes...start up again..and they will...this is far being over...BUT..enjoy this..long as it for REAL!!!!!!!!!
Did not realize we the people had a "God" of our own. I believe we support all religions. And you wonder why they consider this a religious war against them. As a Christian I am offended by your assumption that there is "our God".
We gave him a proper islamic burial?????
WTF.
PCism with this dog??
Oh, I forgot, KSM gave a nice Jewish burial to Daniel Pearl. NOT!!!!
Actually if we had given him a proper Islamic burial he would be in the ground...ready for people to worship at his newly created, tax paid for, shrine. New recruits would come to his shrine and pray for the courage to blow you up. Please, dont be ignorant. Part of war is to strip away the ability for people to use actions for propaganda. Not to say they wont try. Plus why give them any more reason to be pissed off at us!? It is not PCism it is smarter to get your enemy to admire you and change their ways so they are not your enemy than to have the ignorant view that all Islam is our enemy and we are going to wipe them out.
Well try and open your mind just a touch. Why inflame the entire Islamic world, even those who despised Osama Bin Laden, by not bothering to give him an Islamic burial at sea? That's PC? No, that's common sense. See, we're not terrorists...and we don't let them set the standards of how we act.
I retract the PCism charge.
It is really PUS_Yism.
Get real.
Extend these folks an olive branch and you will find it protruding from you arsh.
read The Iliad and you will have a btter understanding of why you treat an enemy's body with respect
Don't give me that b---s--t.
It's war.
I've seen too many of our fallen guys with their gentials stuffed into their mouths.
Some nice totally detached prose is meaningless.
So you would want the bodies of our military disrespected and dismemebred / We are a civilized people; well, most of us anyway!
Yes we will be safer. And yes we will have issues because of this. So is the battle for peace. It always has been this way. We fight for rights of all human beings. We are not barbaric murderers, BUT it is very nice to see that we will bring you to justice and STILL bury you with dignity if you are a pollutant like bl. Perfect, no we are not, but we do protect our own. God bless the Families of 911. Ten years way too long for them and our country. And as for you bin laden, (even your name does not deserve being capitalized) may you burn in hell forever. Your ways, beliefs did not work. You obviously did not study your hitler or mussilini did you? In some ways sad, but a VERY proud day to be an AMERICAN! Thank you to our Service Men and Woman. And this IS NOT POLITICS media, so don't go throwing credit to the President. Bush started this campaign to get him long before you did. Let's keep the credit to our Armed Forces, where it belongs.
disrespect for Osama's body would have only breed more enemies. We took a great step in saying we (americans) are better then you (terrorists).
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I am glad that we took out OBL but like cockroaches, terrorists are hard to get rid of. We will keep fighting terror & hopefully will win.