For now...

Mooooooooo!

I agree--but, why can't it happen at a Republican convention?

Yeah, that would be great... especially Rush Limbaugh fans.

Actually this was caused by a lone jeep running headlong into the crowd and the people near the front panicked and literaly ran over the people behind them. The fact that this happened at a religious festival was practially incidental. It could have been avoided with basic crowd and traffic directing procedures which were not provided.

Alan, you stupid idiot! ignorance must be bliss for you

That's some pretty poor trolling, Alan-781646 - you're thinking of the wrong kind of "Indian" - these are people from the country of India. "Tontos" as you put it (an apostrophe would be the possessive, not plural, form) would be Native Americans.

Halifax - excellent post!

Interestingly, tonto means stupid or fool in Spanish.

we are in a saner time and it happens every Christmas when a store has only 2 Big Ticket items on sale, and a hundred people wait, to run over the First One in line. Everyone who believes in A RELIGION, BELIEVES THEIR religion is the right one.

I'll bet the goats were happy about it though

Waiting for the right to blame it on the repeal of DADT and Prop 8.

Waiting for Right to blame it on Obama

I call global warming!

I call it evolution thinning the herd..

I can proto-dan not knowing anything about the scientific theory of evolution.

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Don't they have yield signs or stop lights? It's like they're all on black ice and just keep sliding into each other! They should make a video game depicting this! =D

Henry-2047580

OK--call me stupid, but what's "misleading" about the headline? And, BTW, if you don't like MSNBC, why bother reading their news? You can always go with Faux news--just sayin'

This is English speaking country I think...so faux is fox- what's that?

faux.....fake

a play on words in this case (and one with which I agree) meaning that Fox news=fake news

Fox News = fake news = Your opinion. And we all know what opinions are like...

If you are from the United States of America you, no doubt, understand the link between "Pilgrims" and "Indians". You also no doubt understand that the rarity of using "Pilgrim" alone in the U.S. to refer to religious travelers as opposed to The original settlers of the American Colonies.

To conjoin those words causes a specific and deliberate image in the mind of most people in the U.S. that have a shared history of a mis-related Thanksgiving ceremony. The rationale behind using that particular turn, as opposed to simply calling them "people", is lost on me.

As for my ability to be disappointed in the news coverage I read? Why do I have to like it or leave it? Why can't I criticize a news outlet? You are doing so in your very statement that equates Fox news with false reporting but I'm not allowed to point out MSNBC's penchant for sensationalizing their headlines? And why is the alternative Fox News? Why can't I read the AP directly? Or the NYT? Or Huffington? Or Drudge?

Alan, you pig. wonder how it will go with you when your your maker judges you? you anti social psycho!!

I just spent three months in India - From what I have seen, the majority of the people are working for next to nothing, have next to nothing and hope for enough to eat to live another day. Yes, they are devout to many religions, speak many languages and are like us, hoping to take care of themselves and their families. I agree, go live there for a time and then come home and count your blessings.

@jkinindia. Thanks for your comments on my country. I hope every one in the world understand hardship faced by other human being's like you. Most of the human being strives for better life for his/her family whether its India or any other country.

I know each and every ordinary citizen in India is living in pain, trying to get 2 square meals a day. If proper facilities are provided(good education), then he will perform than most of us. But sadly most of the people in India are still behind the iron curtains of Caste, Creed, Religion, State, Place and most unfortunate thing even the educated Indians still believe in these social stigmas.

Vijay - Is the caste system a social practice or a religious belief?

Vijay- I am sorry for the comments I make sometimes, they are not meant to belittle you or your country. I hope you understand.

Feedman1 - caste system is a 5000 year old anachronism that has been largely eradicated from most of India. Just like residual racism exists in deep south and pockets of Idaho, Montana and Wisconsin etc and just like you have fringe groups like aryan nation, ku klux klan, just like you have intolerant jackasses like Beck, Limbaugh and Coulter and just like you have race inspired incidents like the beating of Rodney king and the jeep dragging death of (i don't remember his name) in Jasper Texas, in india too there are freaks who cling to caste in order to subjugate the poor and dominate the weak.

Just like in USA, such incidents and groups and people are reviled by the main stream public and hounded by the law.

The hindu religion has nothing to say about caste. Caste was a social system of strict division of labor in ancient Indian societies but there used to be no discrimination based upon caste. That aspect of caste ism started sometime after the islamic invasion of India in mid 12 to 13 century and the class system they introduced and perpetuated in India since then. It was re-enforced by the british policy of divde and rule in the early 19th century.

Ok, thanks.

The British really screwed things up for a lot of people. In far too many instances America has been delegated the role of cleaning up their mess. I'm glad we kicked their ass. Not once - but twice!

They are still rather boorish with their Kings & Queens and soccer rabble.

The British ruled India the way they thought fit and they did what they had to do.

After all that you will find that there is absolutely no ill-will among Indians for the british except perhaps in the minds of some intellectuals and ideology driven intellectual types.

India, you see, is a very forgiving society because the hindu religion and philosophy is all forgiving and all accepting. Unlike Abrahamic religion, hinduism is quite democratic. It tells you what the right path is and then let's you choose your own path. It has no concept of devil. It says devil is within you as is god. How you choose to live is up to you. It does not profess that that path prescribed by it is inherently better than any other religion thereby removing the biggest source of disharmony among men. It is a religion that does not believe in absolutes. That is the ethos of the Indian society and that is how they judge others and that is why after so many invasions and attacks throughout its history they have been able to maintain their distinct identity while assimilating all the outsiders from Hans to Mongols to Arabs to Turks to Europeans amongst its folds. India was a melting pot of cultures when the term had not even been coined and it still is.

So the british did a lot of bad. But they did a lot of good in India too. The modern administrative structure. English medium education. Infrastructure - they brought a lot of positive influence too. Indians understand that and that is why while we resent them for ruling us by force and often treating the natives with undue force and repression we forgive them and embrace them for giving us a modern India.

Most people I meet tell me their religion is the best one.

freedman, as per my feeling I feel all religions are one and the same. All religions preached same to every one who practice that religion "Do good for others" but all these issues we are seeing day to day is because each one interpreted the religion in his own way. No religion preached to kill others but people modified the religious preaching as per one's comfort and start killing or hating each other.

What difference it makes if one is Muslim, Christian, Hindu or any other religion. If person is good he is good, if he is bad he is bad, no matter what religion he practices. I had friends who belongs to every religion, I enjoy each and every religion, I like practicing every religion, it some thing like "Do you see half empty glass of water or half filled glass of water".

i am not even very religious ...i go to temple when i have to to - mostly on festivals and such. I worship my cow in the form of a steak. I don't claim that my religion is the best - however in todays world there is something to be said about a religion that preaches that all religions are but different paths to the same divine ....and that says "Vasudevay kutumba" meaning vasudev's family ...vasudev being the equivalent of Abraham, it means the whole world is one family and we are all brothers...

Well, I agree with you both. MrIndia, that was really funny about the cow. I think that has a lot of westerners really confused, because of the stories of poverty and hunger and at the same time plenty of cattle, but they can't be eaten because it could be your grandmother.

I read this - If you understand Krsna, then vasudeva-kutumbakam. If you do not understand, it is foolishness.

There is a similar thought in the Christian bible -- But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are FOOLISHNESS unto him

Vijay, I think you have boiled things down eloquently. Thanks to you both.

I think nobody is on this thread anymore. Is either of you in America? I'm in Nashville.

@freedman1 :- I am currently living in Iowa but I love my country very much. Only after coming to US, my love for my country increased by many folds. I have great admiration for American culture, "Land of dreams", if you have dream you can easily achieve here. But I love my Indian culture very much, by culture how you respect your parents, how the social system plays important role. But sadly Indian is moving away from this culture, we are taking all -ve things from western culture and forgetting about traditional culture values.

My traditional culture values, I don't mean that "Girls shouldn't work, shouldn't ware only saree's instead of jeans etc" but culture I means ethics and principals. Before India used to be society which used to revolve about relationship, family etc but now its moving towards money and materialistic comforts.

Even though I love about my country, there so many things India should learn for western cultures. We are in 21st century but still fight on religion, culture, caste etc. I wouldn't have worried much if an un-educated person talks or follows these beliefs, my concern is few education Indians even after getting Masters, Phd's still follows these social stigmas. Why can't people love there neighbors just based on character rather than cast, religion. Also now a days our education system doesn't teach about ethical values, money is every thing. I don't say earning money is not good, we can earn lot of money sincerely but at least share 1% of that money with people who are unfortunate, this is not happening.

My heart bleeds when innocent children who are intelligent, hardworking sincere couldn't get education and end up as labor since he belongs to certain religion or caste.

I had learned so many things in US, which I want to take to my country at least make change in few individual's life.

I am always thankful to God( Not only Hindu gods, Jesus, Allah, Buddha, Jewish god etc), for giving so many comforts in my life. I would sincerely request him to show me the path to at least help few people. Also I want to thank my parents who sacrificed so many comforts in there life, just that I can get good education and become some thing in life. All the comforts I am enjoying now is because of these efforts and ethical values they passed on to me. Also my wife, my brothers family, my friends are greatest gifts I could have ever got.

And so you shall find your calling Vijay. You have an important but difficult task ahead, and only a mind filled with love of others will be able to overcome the challenge. From the very brief look that you have provided of yourself, I think you are one of the ones that may be able to make a significant difference. If you are serious. But such a mind will also open one up to severe problems and opposition that only a few are able to overcome. You may be one of those.

If you are still reading, enlighten me just a little. When you speak of God, would it be correct of me to think the name Vishnu? Or am I completely ignorant? (Very good chance)

Thanks Freedman for your kind words, I hope your words will come true. Coming to your question, "When I mean god is it "Lord Vishnu", I generally don't talk about Hinduism on net, people from other religion might be offended. But just to answer your question, In Hinduism when you say "God", it can be one of many gods which Hindu's believe. There are many gods but its believed that all gods emerged from three main gods, "Brahma(The Creator)", "Vishnu(The protector)" and "Shiva(The destroyer)".

Note :- To my friends in other religion, I was just explaining the question put by Freedman. I have same respect to other religions, just I have for Hinduism.

or Clint eastwood , I've heard him refer to them there pilgrims too

John Wayne was and Clint Eastwood is 10 times the man some of these slimy worms posting here will ever be in 10 life times. If they did say something it would be something profound, wise and healing.

Not a religious issue.. It was an ahole in a jeep who couldn't wait his turn on the road. I hope he is locked up.

hey Chuckie, maybe if your momy aborted you there would be one less idiot on Earth.

why don't you go back to india where you belong miss maria goody two shoes

Maria: As much as I agree with the vitriol, the statement is WAY past the line of decorum. Calling for retroactive abortion is offensive in so many ways I've now lost count.

Sgt. Von Kroning, I agree with you. But don't you think every civilization did the same?. Even in America, this might have happened in 1700,1800, after that slowly people got educated, then civic sense came into picture. India got independence only in 1947, after that during our corrupt political system, educational benefits didn't reach masses.

I am not trying to say that problem and issues doesn't exists, but all I am saying don't be in-sensitive to tragic events like this. No one would ever want to die in this way.

I hope our corrupt politicians wake up and read these comments, about what world is thinking about us.

I know in person how hard people work in India, its should good education doesn't reach masses, the day when every get good education, India will also be called developed country...

Civilized? US? We just kill each other over our kids games, drugs, crap that is being sold on black Friday... I don't see how anyone would call us civilized.

well lets see most of the muslim world is out to murder americans most of them countries tolerate terrorism I'm sorry for being hard nosed but I couldn't care less what goes on over there you can bet they feel the same when something terrible happens here too

Lizmo, you are so right!! I entered my comments out of anger for the stupidity of more than a few. Gee Wizz, I thought were just all the HUMAN RACE!!

First, these people aren't Muslim, they're Hindu. And you sound very ignorant when you make a mass generalization about an entire religion; "most" of the Muslim world is not out to murder us. It's only a certain crowd of them. There are 1.5 billion Muslims in the world and only 30 million are jihad, which is the name for the terrorist Muslim population. That's 15 percent. Before you make such ignorant comments think of the other 85 percent who are decent people. Furthermore, many of the peaceful Muslims say that jihad are not real Muslims because they are breaking the rules of the Qu'ran, which says that it's never okay to kill innocent people. And these Hindi people weren't terrorists; they were normal citizens.

Miss Elizabeth

ONLY 30 million!! The LARGEST army in the World, (Red China), is less than one tenth of that! Only 30 million indeed, 30 would be too many.

Also, 15% would be 300 million, (I think you meant 1.5%, but 15% may be more accurate anyway).

As for the 85% who are supposed to be so decent, why don't they do something about the Jihadists, they outnumber them over 5 to 1...SURE!

Well said Miss Elizabeth, I personally feel we shouldn't judge any individual based on his county, religion, caste etc. There are only two things, if a person is "bad", then he is "bad", no matter which country, religion, caste he belongs and in the same way, if a person is "good", then he is "good", matter which country, religion, caste he belongs.

Earth to Alan Earth to Alan - Hindus are not Muslim ... Repeat ... Hindus are not Muslim ...It's no good ... I'm not getting through ... his head is too thick! Near as thick as a wall ... as thick as a brick ... as thick as DARTHDON!!!!

It is written: "Truth Hurts"

Not from Arizona, are you????

Cherokee, I got it made me chuckle too thxs

Happy to do it. Laughter is the best medicine in a world of such tragedy. I also like getting a rise of out the stiffs who have never cast the first stone so to speak.